Right so democrats actually care about words.... by not doing shit when words come out.
Schumer is in NY he won't lose his seat.
But then again he actually believes this.
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Schumer is in NY he won't lose his seat.
But then again he actually believes this.
How do you think being angry at Democrats is going to achieve this?
No, but he is a major reason for how we got here. Letting him slide just to focus on the Dems seems to help him rather than hurt him. What are the Justice Dems doing to protect her physically?
That requires political influence, and sometimes even with that it's impossible due to how the government works.
The Dems can't just do whatever they want, as much as I'd like them to. And what exactly would you like them to do?
Is there there a reason he shouldn't? Toppling Schumer is what I've love to see, but the Left going to have to step their game up to do that and to accomplish this might require harming the NYC Machine itself - the latter of which the Justice Dems hasn't shown is on their priority list. AOC herself doing this would still be a long shot.
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Because if they're worried about keeping their seats, as they usually are, they better fucking respond.
Explain to me exactly why political outsiders, effectively civilians, have any responsibility to do an elected politician's job?
They were elected to handle this shit, that's the entire point. If they didn't want to be held accountable to their base's desires they should hand the job to someone who does.
Might you perhaps be calling for popular revolt and insurrection?
What does this have to do with what i was saying?It's pretty self-explanatory. But i'll let MLK explain it to you.
is anyone here actually letting trump slide on this? or are we just discussing this issue from multiple angles?
trump is not beholden to resetera, he will not face consequences from our posting on this forum, it seems silly to conclude that anyone here is letting him slide because we're discussing other factors
trump is not beholden to resetera, he will not face consequences from our posting on this forum, it seems silly to conclude that anyone here is letting him slide because we're discussing other factors
Of course that's the reaction. Dem leadership is rolling over and allowing Trump to do that gross disgusting thing. All we can do is demand a response and they're failing at even having a statement. I'm struggling to understand the logic of complaining about people wanting a response.
I mean it's pretty simple — if you thought the dem leadership response was inadequate, you'd naturally push them to do better. This is representative government 101.
And it should go without saying that Trump isn't worried about losing any votes/support from people outraged over dem response to his Ilhan harassment — nobody is letting him off the hook.
We just want Democrats to be better. What Trump did is obvious horrible so we want an appropriate response. I don't understand why people are upset. Are they afraid their centrist Democrat will be voted out or something?
I'm very fascinated how you think Schumer being hostile to his own colleagues was necessary.
Why was that something he needed to do exactly?
What would I like them to do? Not throw her under the wolves to a zionist nationalist conference and equate her with neo nazis and help the propaganda machine.
True, but this requires being able to put on that pressure when the time arrives.
The Justice Dems aren't civilians, they're the government. That's what being politicians means. Once they stepped into the political arena they stopped being civilians. This is how the various JD's, and politicians like Bernie Sanders, got elected. They are your champions fighting in the Democratic party to make your vision happen.
Then there's political activism who push politicians from the outside, too.
Insurrection requires someone to fight to do that, as well, and no. But your movement isn't as powerless as you make it sound.
I'm very fascinated how you got to that conclusion as it's the complete opposite of what I said. Since when did denouncing Schumer equal supporting him?
So would I.
True, but not all criticism is the same and not all dems in the leadership are identical, either.
They are when they'd rather attack Dems over him.
Is "white feminism" a real thing like "radical socialism" or is it just a label to complain about something, like... "radical socialism?"
I mean is there a school of "white feminism" or is this just a label for people you don't like? And I'm being genuine, I am not on top of twitterverse usage.
It's not an academic term but its not radical socialism tier either.
It just means white people who are feminists but dont care about trans people or other races.
Are you fucking kidding me!!! They need to impeach this child. If Trump was an Era member he would not last a day before getting perma banned.
Impeaching requires majority vote from congress, no Republican is going to vote against him. We're in a worse position than Nixon, who was in danger precisely because his party was going to turn on him.
If we post "Trump is racist" for ten pages he'll go away. That's how U N I T Y works.
You'd rather not focus on the person who made this tweet
then complain when people bring up unity?
I've already made my point about this but suffice to say I agree with everything samoyed has said to you.
You'd rather not focus on the person who made the tweet then complain when people criticize dem leadership?
Another sign that Democratic leadership doesn't actually care about defending minorities. Democratic leadership knows that the US's 2 party political system puts minorities in a bad position. People could abandon the Democratic party and refuse to vote for them, but then life would just get worse with Republicans in control.
Let me be crystal clear: that post was about how you were ignoring Trump and his tweet. Do you get it now?
Of course you can do both but when people act like it was Dem leadership itself who sent the tweet while Trump's name goes unmentioned it's bullshit. The response should be in proportion. Look at how many pages has been spent on Democrats then Trump himself. Trump's an afterthought in this thread.
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This is Trump doing his normal sctick. I normally just ignore it at this point. Bottom line is its horrible in general, but this was just handed to him on a platter, and hes not going to be held accountable for it unless hes voted out.
On Ilhan, quite frankly, I support her but she has made multiple unforced errors and that is on her. I know she means well and I wish her the best but she needs to have a prepared speech proof read in the future (factual errors/wording being inappropirate). AOC is also a very progressive congresswoman but she doesnt make these unforced errors. Its not always just about race/gender/religion. Ilhan makes unforced errors. Maybe its a learning/growing process. Hopefully she gets better at it.
On Ilhan, quite frankly, I support her but she has made multiple unforced errors and that is on her. I know she means well and I wish her the best but she needs to have a prepared speech proof read in the future (factual errors/wording being inappropirate). AOC is also a very progressive congresswoman but she doesnt make these unforced errors. Its not always just about race/gender/religion. Ilhan makes unforced errors. Maybe its a learning/growing process. Hopefully she gets better at it.
Definitely not just a twitter thing, and also not uncommon for scholars to use. Like, Judith Butler's Gender Trouble is a huge basis for most of our discourse surrounding feminism and gender and while the phrase "white feminism" may not appear, her main critique is how the assumption of a universally shared womanhood parallels the assumption of a universal patriarchy, both of which serve to flatten the particularities of oppression that different people face. Its not just white people not caring about trans people or other races, its an assumption that identities are universal.
Yes because we all hate trump and theres not much more that can be said here.
Then let the thread die. I'm all for criticising leadership, they can be assholes and deserve to be calling out, but aiming all that anger at them isn't doing anybody any good. All it does is unnecessarily divide us.
I got it the first time. What you're accusing those of not doing, I'm doing the same to you. Nobody is acting like the dem leadership sent the tweet. That's something you made up. What we're doing is criticizing the dem leadership for not sticking up for her.
You're on ERA. Do we have to talk about Trump to show how much we hate his actions? The fact that we're criticizing the dem leadership for their inaction proves how much we hate what Trump is doing. Just stop for a second and criticize your party. I'm sick of you and Kirb always rushing to the defense of the status quo.
that this issue divides the democratic party is a big problem and seeing where that divide is sounds pretty necessary to me
Trump going unmentioned? This is ERA you are talking about. The reason we are mad at Democrats is because we are fucking pissed at Trump and his actions. I think you are really misunderstanding us.
This thread's never going to die if you continue to come up with a response for every poster that is understandably upset with Dem leadership as well, but go off I guess.
You keep talking about "unity" and "unnecessarily dividing us" but where has Dem leadership been during these attacks against Omar? They certainly decided to be divisive by not standing by and supporting one of their colleagues.
Pelosi will not say a word to her defense because establishment Dems have already branded her as Public Enemy #1. The way Ilhan's own party has treated her for months now is a goddamn travesty. It's also gross how even when the President of the United States is using his bully pulpit to get an ideological opponent of his KILLED, some of you still can't think of anything else but how House leaders have to uphold "norms" and "decorum".
A bit off, they actually criticized her multiple times and exaggerated her words to boot. They couldn't even stay silent on that.
Upholding decorum is especially funny cause they broke unwritten decorum when they attacked her lmao
Short of taking a gun to Trump directly, I don't think Democrats in Congress have enough power to make any meaningful changes, so I don't know what you guys expect from them.
As far as their vocal support of Omar, yeah they need to do a much... MUCH better job of that. Looks to me like, outside of new blood like AOC, House Dems have alienated her.
As far as their vocal support of Omar, yeah they need to do a much... MUCH better job of that. Looks to me like, outside of new blood like AOC, House Dems have alienated her.
Father time can stop anyone.
Better be out there voting in 2020.
Realize that the unflinching dedication Trump ( and many of his base) has to spouting and supporting his bullshit, we need that same unflinching dedication for our own causes. Can't get tired of fighting against people like that cause they'll fight until the ship sinks or their opposition gives up.
Very well said.
Will Dem leadership ever learn that upholding precious "norms" and "decorum" and doesn't work in this political environment?
I'd like to see this, really.
If they can't even do that much, then those twitter hot takes about them wanting Omar to go away or actually be assassinated will prove true.
I expect them to stand by our fellow new age Democrats instead of leaving them hanging to dry. We can do so much better as a party
Leftist getting angry at Trump is good for it's own reasons, but getting angry at Dems makes sense as well (even more so when the situation calls) because we are far more likely to influence their direction. If we can't even bend this democratic party to hear our voices, shouting at republicans would be an exercise in futility.
Mitch McConnell doesn't lose sleep over angry liberals.
Mitch McConnell doesn't lose sleep over angry liberals.
Sure they are. I don't think you get what you're doing is not criticising, it's attacking. While Trump is the source of the anger (which is legit), the anger is just getting redirected to someone else and that's the Dems. I could switch the names of who many posters are attacking from random Dems to Trump and it'd fit right in.
Considering this very thread is about Trump's actions against Omar, yeah. You're understating the anger being directed at the Dems fairly here. Of course you have the right to be angry at Dems for failing Omar and you're rightly frustrated at the inaction, nobody's suggesting you don't. Where this goes off the rails is that the Dems are the sole party who deserve to aim all that anger at, regardless of the context.
I've criticised the Dems plenty, and when I've bought up why the status quo is terrible it's not to protect it it's to objectively bring up how fucked up the system is and how hard it is change it. We all have our own groups we belong to in the Democratic party, I just don't belong in your's. You need to accept that other sub-groups in the Democratic party have as much legitimacy in the party as the Left does. ERA could erase all its liberal and centrists posters and this would remain true. This is the Democratic party, not the Leftist party.
Stop acting like this thread was on its last legs before I got here, it was continuing quite well without my presence and will do so were I to leave. "Understandably upset," right. It's not like this thread hasn't been taking sole aim at them when it began with a Trump tweet. That isn't an over reaction at all.
You mean when Pelosi said she thought Omar wasn't an antisemite?
Or how the bill they made didn't condemn her?
Or how many high ranking politicians are supporting her from Trump's abuse?
But no, no Dems ever supported Omar.
And you continue to have no argument and are completely ok with that behaviour, as long as your not called out on it.
Maybe try not viewing all ideologies who you disagree with in absolutes.
* Republicans are excluded, of course.
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This guy. This fucking guy...
Fuck this piece of shit, fuck his supporters and fuck those with the lack of backbone to stop these assholes. Fuck them all.
Fuck this piece of shit, fuck his supporters and fuck those with the lack of backbone to stop these assholes. Fuck them all.
I take it that you are not Muslim. Let Muslims decide how they want to express themselves. This is their darkness, not yours.
The anger is literally directed at the divisive inactions/actions of dem leadership and their failure to unite in defense of rep Omar.
You're getting mad at people trying to unite and you're labeling them the divisive ones.
Fuck all that. Everybody here knows they will vote for the democrats when the time comes. That doesn't mean they can't be critical of these asshole letting trump and his people ruin Ilhan's life and even joining in. They need to be better, they need to treat minorities better and they should be aggressive om their Trump take down.
Then again I am not expecting the person who called Malcolm X a bad guy to understand.