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Kirblar

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
30,744
(For those unfamiliar with US Abbreviations, first VA is Veteran's Affairs, second VA is Virginia.)

The Southern Strategy becoming the GOP is at the heart of the political realignment the last 50 years. Rural areas nationwide are voting like southern states, Metropolitan areas like northern ones. We're going to keep getting more and more of these stories because of it. In a previous era this would demand a resignation. Now? Who knows.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/07/politics/va-secretary-confederate-president/index.html
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Robert Wilkie praised Confederate States President Jefferson Davis effusively in a 1995 speech, calling him a "martyr to 'The Lost Cause'" and an "exceptional man in an exceptional age."

Wilkie, who delivered the speech in front of a statue of Davis at the US Capitol during an event sponsored by the United Daughters of Confederacy, also said that while he was "no apologist for the South," viewing Confederate "history and the ferocity of the Confederate soldier solely through the lens of slavery and by the slovenly standards of the present is dishonest and a disservice to our ancestors."

Wilkie's speech, a transcript of which ran in the United Daughters of the Confederacy Magazine, reveals his belief in the "Lost Cause" theory of the Civil War, which portrays the Southern states who seceded as heroic and denies the central role slavery played as a cause for the conflict.

A KFile review also found Wilkie attended a pro-Confederate event as recently as 2009, giving a speech on Robert E. Lee to a Maryland division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

CNN's KFile found references to Wilkie while researching the neo-Confederate movement, which seeks to promote a more sympathetic view of the Confederate states during the Civil War, and obtained copies of the speeches from Edward Sebesta, a scholar on the neo-Confederate movement.

Veterans Affairs press secretary Curt Cashour did not address the content of Wilkie's remarks when asked by CNN but said in a statement that the events Wilkie attended "were strictly historical in nature, and as Secretary Wilkie said at his confirmation hearing in June, he stopped participating in them once the issue became divisive."

 

DrArchon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,485
I don't understand this administration.

Trump keeps talking about how much he loves winning, but he keeps hiring these people that are fans of losers.
 

WedgeX

Member
Oct 27, 2017
13,200
I don't understand this administration.

Trump keeps talking about how much he loves winning, but he keeps hiring these people that are fans of losers.

He actually just likes people like himself - losers. He's never actually won anything aside from the electoral college.
 

sangreal

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,890
"lost cause" tells you all you need to know

the lost cause of the confederacy will probably go down as one of the most successful propaganda/indoctrination campaigns
 
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Oct 28, 2017
22,596
This is what people mean when they say it's about history not hate. They think Davis was some kind of hero for defying the tyrannical rule of a federal government. It's a convenient reframing of history for racists and idiots.
 

Ithil

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,390
history and the ferocity of the Confederate soldier solely through the lens of slavery and by the slovenly standards of the present is dishonest

You're right dude, I'm sure these Confederate states had lots on their mind apart from slavery, how rude of us. Let's check.

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assumed the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of Slavery; they have permitted the open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.
— Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth.
- A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time.

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We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

- A Declaration of the Causes which Impel the State of Texas to Secede from the Federal Union.

What was the reason that induced Georgia to take the step of secession? This reason may be summed up in one single proposition. It was a conviction, a deep conviction on the part of Georgia, that a separation from the North-was the only thing that could prevent the abolition of her slavery. ... If things are allowed to go on as they are, it is certain that slavery is to be abolished. By the time the north shall have attained the power, the black race will be in a large majority, and then we will have black governors, black legislatures, black juries, black everything. Is it to be supposed that the white race will stand for that? It is not a supposable case ... war will break out everywhere like hidden fire from the earth, and it is probable that the white race, being superior in every respect, may push the other back. ... we will be overpowered and our men will be compelled to wander like vagabonds all over the earth; and as for our women, the horrors of their state we cannot contemplate in imagination. That is the fate which abolition will bring upon the white race. ... We will be completely exterminated, and the land will be left in the possession of the blacks, and then it will go back to a wilderness and become another Africa... Suppose they elevated Charles Sumner to the presidency? Suppose they elevated Fred Douglass, your escaped slave, to the presidency? What would be your position in such an event? I say give me pestilence and famine sooner than that.
— Henry Lewis Benning, speech to the Virginia Convention, February 18, 1861

Actually wait that's literally all they thought about.
 

Ogami Itto

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,612
The north should have razed the south after the war and hung all leaders of the confederacy. Also make the confederate flag illegal just like the Germans did with the swastika.
 

Ithil

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,390
"It wasn't about Slavery" was the predecessor to "Economic Anxiety"
Wait, forgive me, he said "Confederate soldier", and I only posted state government declarations. I'm sure the lowly Confederate soldier wasn't a racist slaver fighting to keep a race of people as property, they were just brave boys worthy of an ugly ass cheap statue

One Louisianan artillery soldier gave his reasons for fighting for the Confederacy, stating that "I never want to see the day when a negro is put on an equality with a white person. There is too many free niggers ... now to suit me, let alone having four millions."

Oh right they were all trash.
 
Oct 27, 2017
10,660
The north should have razed the south after the war and hung all leaders of the confederacy. Also make the confederate flag illegal just like the Germans did with the swastika.
I think that decision is the source of the majority of our nation's problems. We let them think they were just waiting for revenge. They should have been punished or eliminated.
 

Thorn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
24,446
The north should have razed the south after the war and hung all leaders of the confederacy. Also make the confederate flag illegal just like the Germans did with the swastika.

Yep.

Or today ler free passage north for anyone who wants out and let them have their shitty confederacy for a few years then watch as they come crawling back without free blue state money.
 

Ogami Itto

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,612
The only reason the confederates stopped the war is because they were getting their asses kicked, they never wanted to be united with the north but Lincoln decided to let them back in like nothing happened, a fucking joke.