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Turkey will no longer stop the 3.5million Syrian refugees it's hosting from traveling to Europe

poklane

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Breaking now by Reuters, via Yahoo: https://news.yahoo.com/turkey-decided-not-stop-syrian-210750560.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=tw
Turkey decided not to stop Syrian refugees from reaching Europe by land or see -Senior Turkish official
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Source on the 3.5million figure, as of February 14th: https://data2.unhcr.org/en/situations/syria/location/113

So yeah, Europe appears to be on the verge of a huge new refugee crisis. If these people actually start flooding the continent it will no doubt destabilize the continent and help anti-EU parties in elections.
 
Zarathustra

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There's talks of a Russian/Syrian forces attacking Turkish troops currently, and of 50 turkish soldiers dead.
 
Zoon

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Man, here in Greece it's going to be a mess. The islands which are more than full of refugees/immigrants have already started rioting against the creation of more refugee camps.
 
anastiel

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bad news, I foresee a strong growth of fascism in Europe against immigrants again, unfortunately Turkey is going to take the world to yet another war.
 
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Calderc said:
Thank god the UK voted for Brexit so we can avoid this.
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Voting Brexit will not have remedied the issue, if anything it may have made things worse in other respects, as France/Calais for example will no longer have the same blockades and restrictions from the routes through to Kent.
 
Palette Swap

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To be fair, the ongoing refugee blackmailing Turkey leveraged over Europe was disgusting for everyone involved, and showed how asylum isn’t actually worth shit in the eyes of many Europeans who have apparently forgotten in 80 years what it means to be displaced by war.

Calderc said:
Thank god the UK voted for Brexit so we can avoid this.
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Exhibit #35739 next time someone whines about the characterization of Brexit as an essentially xenophobic movement.
 
Teddy

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I was under the impression Erdogan needed to maintain that he was 'making progress towards' the goal of joining the EU for domestic political reasons.

Holding the refugees was the only way to keep Europe on side and releasing them all throws away his entire hand, the EU will surely close Turkey's EU accession talks now.
 
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Teddy said:
I was under the impression Erdogan needed to maintain that he was 'making progress towards' the goal of joining the EU for domestic political reasons.

Holding the refugees was the only way to keep Europe on side and releasing them all throws away his entire hand, the EU will surely close Turkey's EU accession talks now.
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Turkey joining the EU was always unrealistic as shit.
And I personally hope there'll be more than stopping accession talks such as severe sanctions, but our politicians probably aren't willing to do that.
 
9-Volt

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I don't think they're going anywhere. Turkey supports then with free monthly pay enough for them to pay rent and feed themselves. Qatar needs cheap workers for the projects they're currently funding for, like the glorious Channel Istanbul.
 
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The EU should be working to intercept absorb and integrate as many as possible through the proper pipeline. There needs to be a plan to welcome refugees safely and give them resources.
 

optimus

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Is there a reason people here think it's Turkeys right to stop refugees from going to Europe?

How is it fair Turkey has the full burden of 3.5 million refugees? That's a ridiculous number.

Why is it so insane for richer European nations to help?

And is it Turkey's fault that Europe has a rising racism and facism problem in their culture.
 
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Calderc said:
Thank god the UK voted for Brexit so we can avoid this.
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Hollywood Duo said:
It’s only fair. “Europe” destabilized their continent first.
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These two in a row are just *chef's kiss*.

The countries that have actually dealt with the last crisis haven't done anything to Syria. The biggest warmongers aren't exactly friendly towards them, some have closed their borders to all refugees, like the United States.

Zhengi said:
MEGA!

Make Europe Great Again.

You guys can have that one for free.
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What does that mean?
 
Klyka

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Well if Germany takes another huge amount of them then that's the AfD here gaining another huge amount of votes. Fuck.
 
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Klyka said:
Well if Germany takes another huge amount of them then that's the AfD here gaining another huge amount of votes. Fuck.
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It genuinely wouldn't surprise me if it's the end of the EU if millions flood the continent. France has an election next year as well and last time Le Pen already got to the final round, Macron being unpopular plus a new refugee wave is the perfect combination for increased anti-EU sentiment in France.
 
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nib95 said:
Voting Brexit will not have remedied the issue, if anything it may have made things worse in other respects, as France/Calais for example will no longer have the same blockades and restrictions from the routes through to Kent.
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Palette Swap said:
Exhibit #35739 next time someone whines about the characterization of Brexit as an essentially xenophobic movement.
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mnz said:
These two in a row are just *chef's kiss*.
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Guys...really?
 
Kompis

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It would be swell if the country that has destabilized the whole region takes it responsibility and take care of the refugees. Too bad it’s on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean and lead by an fascist orange man-child.
 

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Lovely so many white people from rich countries here concerned about punishing Turkey, a country with 3.5 million refugees, and how it will affect their rich countries, if god forbid these refugees come to their country. GASP!

Rather, than you know, showing any concern or even pretending to want to help these poor refugees. Not at all racist.

Lovely place resetera is.
 
Randam

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optimus said:
Is there a reason people here think it's Turkeys right to stop refugees from going to Europe?

How is it fair Turkey has the full burden of 3.5 million refugees? That's a ridiculous number.

Why is it so insane for richer European nations to help?

And is it Turkey's fault that Europe has a rising racism and facism problem in their culture.
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Turkey is getting huge sums of Money to care for the Refugees.
 
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poklane said:
It genuinely wouldn't surprise me if it's the end of the EU if millions flood the continent. France has an election next year as well and last time Le Pen already got to the final round, Macron being unpopular plus a new refugee wave is the perfect combination for increased anti-EU sentiment in France.
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This paired with the corona virus? I do not want to think about it.
 
Basarili

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Well they lost soldiers and the Nato is not doing anything. Nato should have stepped in 9 years ago.
Now with the corona virus and this.
 
Exist 2 Inspire

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I guess it's not about taking in refugees in general but the repercussions it will lead to. More anti EU and facist rhetoric will surely happen and when Le Pen and the AfD get more popular than they already are...
 
Basarili

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mnz said:
Turkey invaded Syria. Something wrong about that?
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I won't discuss too much only going to say some facts.
Turkey is a Nato member. Article 5.
Before Isis or any group came to the media NATO should have protected those people
I guess USA, Iran and Russian soldiers are there to bring peace?

Anyway MNZ I think you will outsmart me so I will say you're right. I hope this helps you, but PLEASE accept my thoughts too.
 
Patapuf

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I'd be more sympathetic to turkey if they weren't an active participant in the war that's going on in syria.
 
CrunchyB

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Turkey is absolutely complicit in the Syria situation, together with Russia, Iran and of course the USA. Fuck them and their little war games.
The rest of Europe never wanted anything of this.
 
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Basarili said:
Well they lost soldiers and the Nato is not doing anything. Nato should have stepped in 9 years ago.
Now with the corona virus and this.
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Why exactly? The North Atlantic Treaty doesn't cover Syrian territory in any way.
Basarili said:
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.... I'm BEYOND speechless.
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They're right. It's Turkey's army which is actively supporting jihadists in Idlib, it's Turkey's army which invaded northern Syria to ethnically cleanse Kurds and has turned those peaceful areas into a lawless hellhole.
 
mnz

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Basarili said:
I won't discuss too much only going to say some facts.
Turkey is a Nato member. Article 5.
Before Isis or any group came to the media NATO should have protected those people
I guess USA, Iran and Russian soldiers are there to bring peace?

Anyway MNZ I think you will outsmart me so I will say you're right. I hope this helps you, but PLEASE accept my thoughts too.
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Article 5 is about collective defense(!) and Turkey didn't even try to invoke it...
 

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Basarili said:
I won't discuss too much only going to say some facts.
Turkey is a Nato member. Article 5.
Before Isis or any group came to the media NATO should have protected those people
I guess USA, Iran and Russian soldiers are there to bring peace?

Anyway MNZ I think you will outsmart me so I will say you're right. I hope this helps you, but PLEASE accept my thoughts too.
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Don't try to both side this. Turkey went on a fuckin murder spree not too long ago with the Kurds in Northern Syria.
 
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optimus said:
Lovely so many white people from rich countries here concerned about punishing Turkey, a country with 3.5 million refugees, and how it will affect their rich countries, if god forbid these refugees come to their country. GASP!

Rather, than you know, showing any concern or even pretending to want to help these poor refugees. Not at all racist.

Lovely place resetera is.
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are you from erdogans pr department? it's funny that you talk about growing facism in europe while turkey's own dictator ehh i mean "president" is throwing journalists into jail and supports al qaida. erdogan was really happy to keep the refugees in turkey while he got billions from the EU for it. turkey is also creating a lot more refugees by invading syria and bombing kurds ehh i mean terrorists.
 
Vampirolol

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Whishing the best for those refugees. Sadly countries like mine may once again see fascism rising.
 
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Basarili said:
I won't discuss too much only going to say some facts.
Turkey is a Nato member. Article 5.
Before Isis or any group came to the media NATO should have protected those people
I guess USA, Iran and Russian soldiers are there to bring peace?
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Turkey entered the war in Syria to attack the Kurds, who were allies of other Nato countries at that time and took those parts back from Isis. Why should Nato help out in Turkey's egoistical war?

And the Syrian war already was a proxy war between the West and Russia. Nobody wants to risk further escalation with direct invovement from the Nato. Russia wouldn't just accept that, they see Syria as there sphere of influence.
 
Kirblar

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The 3.5 million refugees are largely there due to Assad massacring his own people w/ Putin's help.

Erdrogan unfortunately isn't invading in order to stabilize the region and stem the flow of refugees, but instead is just going after after territory and the Kurds.

Everything sucks about this. Just a bunch of asshole fascists getting innocent people killed in the crossfire.
 

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Did the rest of Europe stop paying them to hold refugees there? Maybe they should start attempting to accept and resettle them in Europe instead of essentially imprisoning them in Turkey.
 
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