As far as Turkey has fallen, they're strategically important. And suspending them from NATO opens them up for Russia to swoop in.Turkey has shown with this dictator that they need to be suspended from NATO. Shutter the bases and embassy, remove all allied personnel, remove all funding and ay, and remove all weapons. Then instead of sanctions, simply close trade completely. If they choose to return to a functional democracy in the future, restore relations, but nothing more than trade and an embassy. The US has too many military bases anyway, let the EU participate if they wish.
NATO membership is a strategic military alliance, not a federal relationship like the EU. There is no chance of any of that happening, specifically because of the weapons present there- they're not going to be "removed" if NATO stuff is withdrawn, they'll end up remaining in Turkey.Turkey has shown with this dictator that they need to be suspended from NATO. Shutter the bases and embassy, remove all allied personnel, remove all funding and ay, and remove all weapons. Then instead of sanctions, simply close trade completely. If they choose to return to a functional democracy in the future, restore relations, but nothing more than trade and an embassy. The US has too many military bases anyway, let the EU participate if they wish.
NATO membership is a strategic military alliance, not a federal relationship like the EU. There is no chance of any of that happening, specifically because of the weapons present there- they're not going to be "removed" if NATO stuff is withdrawn, they'll end up remaining in Turkey.
Exactly. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but at this point the first question I always ask myself is "What do Russia/Putin want?"As far as Turkey has fallen, they're strategically important. And suspending them from NATO opens them up for Russia to swoop in.
Suspending a NATO member is not something that should be taken that lightly.
Cease trade with Turkey? People praising the PKK? What the fuck are you guys smoking?
It's okay, they have their Allah and it's the West's fault anyway. They see the big picture and they'll disrupt this game so there's nothing to worry about.Holynshit, so he's making his most loyal followers poor. Man that's a dangerous game. What happens when his supporters are unable to feed their families and had given away their savings?
Using ISIS to make them open a second front and distract them is pretty devious, perhaps also a little too convenient.Hahaha. On Turkey's treatment of the Kurdish people :
" Of 40,386 formally charged, the death penalty was sought for 900. Of 70,000 current political detainees, more than 20,000 are reportedly Kurdish, and 90 percent of these are reputed to have been peaceful protestors for Kurdish cultural rights. To date, arrests in Kurdish provinces have totalled 81,634. Of these, 378 have allegedly been tortured to death, and 374 have been killed in night-time attacks."
Yeah, especially considering the invaluable help by Kurdish fighters in pushing back ISIS, including female frontline commandos, I'd support PKK independent led Kurdish independence from Turkey's insane government.
A PKK bomb killed a baby just last week.Have any of you tonedeaf idiots stopped to think that in the receiving end of a PKK bomb there could easily be college students conscripted for their compulsory military service who they may be very much against their own government, but like, that doesn't really matter because a bomb is a bomb?
Just, please, if you have no fucking real world experience with an issue affecting so many people so closely maybe give it some thinking before you outright express your support for a terrorist group, no matter how much the government may fucking suck.
he is a dictator though. the executive is full of yay sayers. congress wont stop him. supreme court will be soon completely right wing. the us system has been shifting to presidential omnipotence for years and the checks and balances depend on a lot of conventions which trump ignores completely
He send his most loyal followers to the streets full of millitary armed soldiers while he was sitting on a plane and talking to his citizens via Skype. Many of them died.Holynshit, so he's making his most loyal followers poor. Man that's a dangerous game. What happens when his supporters are unable to feed their families and had given away their savings?
he is a dictator though. the executive is full of yay sayers. congress wont stop him. supreme court will be soon completely right wing. the us system has been shifting to presidential omnipotence for years and the checks and balances depend on a lot of conventions which trump ignores completely
He isn't. Erdogan can appoint and dismiss justices and cabinet members at will and rule by decree.he is a dictator though. the executive is full of yay sayers. congress wont stop him. supreme court will be soon completely right wing. the us system has been shifting to presidential omnipotence for years and the checks and balances depend on a lot of conventions which trump ignores completely
Yep the Lira has absolutely tanked, it's about £1 = 8 lira at the moment, an all time high.I'm going to Turkey next week. Is the battered pound actually any good against Lira right now.
My friend has a villa in Silivri (pretty close to Istanbul) . Lovely place which we visited in 2015, but nobody's been there since after what's been happening with Erdoğan and Turkey pretty much turning into a shit hole.I want to visit Turkey in October. Looks like my vacation is gonna be cheaper than expected.
Yep the Lira has absolutely tanked, it's about £1 = 8 lira at the moment, an all time high.
Have any of you tonedeaf idiots stopped to think that in the receiving end of a PKK bomb there could easily be college students conscripted for their compulsory military service who they may be very much against their own government, but like, that doesn't really matter because a bomb is a bomb?
Just, please, if you have no fucking real world experience with an issue affecting so many people so closely maybe give it some thinking before you outright express your support for a terrorist group, no matter how much the government may fucking suck.
Holy fucking shit...Wait, so a military target is not legitimate in a war? By this logic we should have stopped and thought about the young Nazi soldier going to college conscripted to fight for Hitler instead of attacking them. I know the PKK also targets civilians and is a terrorist organizatiob but military is a legit target.
Lol what is this narcissistic obsession with trying to make everything about the US.
Have things calmed down some over there since yesterday or is today worse than yesterday?
If you want it for cheap yeaI don't have enough money, but would it be wise to buy real estate now?
Yea, but I meant if there was anyone on this board living there if they noticed if people were still going to work still shopping etc just how things looked from looking around
Hahaha yeah man, i cannot imagine why an american-hosted forum specialised in american culture with american members would see things from an american point of view and wonder why it's their problem.Lol what is this narcissistic obsession with trying to make everything about the US.
Yeah let's try to rationalize being incapable of seeing literally anything from a non-US-centric point of view.Hahaha yeah man, i cannot imagine why an american-hosted forum specialised in american culture with american members would see things from an american point of view and wonder why it's their problem.
Is this a forum specialized in American culture?Hahaha yeah man, i cannot imagine why an american-hosted forum specialised in american culture with american members would see things from an american point of view and wonder why it's their problem.
I simply saying that it's impossible to expect everyone to care- /be fully informed about an event happening on the other side of the world, especially so if they're not belonging to the target demographic.Yeah let's try to rationalize being incapable of seeing literally anything from a non-US-centric point of view.
Just putting it out there that if someone actually wants to learn what's going on, I'm more than willing to give an explanation.I simply saying that it's impossible to expect everyone to care- /be fully informed about an event happening on the other side of the world, especially so if they're not belonging to the target demographic.
Its going to be a slaughter tomorrow. Without the official opening is already going insane.
Initiate slaughter-fest. It's 7.1 right now. Might see 8 tomorrow.
Initiate slaughter-fest. It's 7.1 right now. Might see 8 tomorrow.
RIP European economiesInitiate slaughter-fest. It's 7.1 right now. Might see 8 tomorrow.