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Turkish strikes on Kurdish areas in Syria have already begun.
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Haha, he doesn't know any of these words. Well, a couple.
So Trump is now threatening sanctions on a NATO ally which houses US air force bases AND US nuclear weapons?
I'm not sure they thought this through.
I'm not sure they thought this through.
Trump doesn't strike me as someone who has ever played a game of Chess. Shit, I'd be shocked if he was able to win against a first grader at Connect 4.
Turkey doesn't have the planes to fly those nukes, neither does the US (in Turkey). They are basically just for show. Besides, Turkey can't do anything with them anyways because they can't detonate them even with proper planes.
After years of dealing with the EU and the US, both Putin and Erdogan know they are not going to do anything drastic against them. They basically learned how to play them. Putin and Erdogan basically laugh at Merkel face when she tries to threaten them. They know the EU is useless and powerless against them. That they are never going to try something harsh against them because they have the means (gas, oil, refugees) to neutralize them.
I'm not insinuating they would 'take' them. That would be mental. But I assume there must be some level of co-operation to facilitate the operation of the bases and missile sites, even if it's simple municipal amenities which could be disrupted.
As a Turk living in Australia, its baffling to me. Kurdish people make up ~20% of Turkey's population.
Thats a 1 in 5 chance that you run into a Kurdish person in Turkey. I'm sure that there are a lot of people who think they're Turkish but are Kurdish and vice versa. There are even famous pop stars in Turkey that are Kurdish.
Yet, despite all that, there is an odd aggressive dislike towards them from a lot of Turkish people that stems from nothing except issues that weren't from their time.
I mean, a few examples from history come to mind of the consequences of a larger, more powerful ethnic group having a strong, aggressive dislike towards a minority ethnic group and none are good...
One, Turkey should not still be in NATO. Between getting kicked out of the F35 program, US Sanction, and France and Germany no longer selling them arms - calling them an ally is a stretch, and honestly dangerous. They're an "ally" in terms of being part of an alliance they should have been kicked from at the end of the cold war. They are NOT an ally to the West.
Two, Turkey can't do anything with the US nukes. They're basically paperweights to Turkey.
Feels like this turned out much worse and much quicker than anyone could have expected...
Their best bet is to attack and the retreat before they get bombed
NATO is a military alliance. If we go by your logic, the US should have been kicked out more than a decade ago.
Erdogan should not be in the NATO is a better response. Turkey is still an important asset to NATO and alienating them is a pretty bad decision considering they have been cozying up with Russia this past year.
WTF are you talking about. The US basically IS NATO, and is extremely close allies with the EU politically, socially, economically and militarily. Turkey is in no way allies with the west outside of being part of NATO.
So you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to geopolitics and alliances. Got it.
Sick burn attempt, though.
Your president was gloating about terrorists escaping to europe a few days ago
He handed syria to putin on a silver platter. On putins birthday.
lol
Care to state what part you disagree with? The US is basically the EU's military, and the US is who protects the EU. Why the hell should the US be kicked out of NATO?
They are so close allies that they will take care of ISIS fighters liberated by the US president's actions.
He's also posting more forces to Poland.
The current president is a fucking moron but he isn't the only player in Washington.
You should probably refrain from posting this line if you want to have a serious discussion about NATO, US and EU relationship.
You don't think the US protects the EU and largely acts as their military? What are you talking about?
What planet are you living on? The US absolutely protects the EU and is the bulk of NATO's power.
So let me get this straight. We move troops out of the way allowing Turkey to strike.
Turkey Strikes
Russia moves in
We now put sanctions on Turkey, an ally, for doing something everyone knew they were going to do once US troops were moved out.
What dimension chess are we playing now???
Turkey Strikes
Russia moves in
We now put sanctions on Turkey, an ally, for doing something everyone knew they were going to do once US troops were moved out.
What dimension chess are we playing now???
Murricah fuck yeah, amirite?
The EU is made up of many countries who all have their own military.
Not as big as the USes but to say they depend on the US is stretching it.
The EU absolutely depends on the US for protection. US protection is how the EU is able to spend almost nothing on their militaries. That isn't stretching anything. That is a fact.
I'd hate to agree with DrewFu, but the US military/submarines/satellites/airsuperiority/missile bases/all of that is very very well paid for by taxes. Instead of healthcare and everything else. The USA can strike anywhere on the globe within minutes, have carriers anywhere we want, and constantly refuel everything. Its an impressive waste of money. NATO hardly does anything effective without the US's ok.
its the 1 thing america has going for itself.
When its used correctly, unlike this situation. All the money in the world can't fix a fucking idiot running things.
"Turkey's president has said he would not stop his offensive on northern Syria until "all our objectives had been achieved", defying US sanctions, a European arms embargo and increasing international isolation.
Turkey is in the seventh day of its assault against the Syrian Kurdish forces, which has so far forced more than 150,000 people to flee and left some 60 civilians dead.
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Swiftly destroy me if old
Congress had/has complete power to stop the troop withdrawal, but in typical congressional fashion, they're choosing to just complain instead.
edit: nvm, I appear to be wrong on this.
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Can it?
It can prevent the US from going to war, at least theoretically (it didn't vote for the Syrian deployment but we still went because, lol, what you gonna do? impeach me?) but what powers does it have to prevent the president from moving forces from place to place?