- Oct 25, 2017
Welcome to the second TV thread. Come in to talk about television displays, HDR/Dolby Vision, tips/tricks/settings and more. If you need help picking out a TV, whatever your needs, please ask!
Thread will be updated regularly as new models and information come out.
One the to add since it came up countless times in OT1: while OLED may be considered by many to be the best TV tech widely available today, it is not perfect. As the thread title states, there is no perfect TV. The overwhelming majority of regulars in this community will not blindly suggest one tech or another, instead working with you, your use cases, your room layout, your preferences and your budget to land on the best set...for YOU.
Burn-in is a concern for many gamers. OLED TV's have a low risk for permanent image retention with varied/general use. The colors red/orange are most susceptible, and display brightness impacts the chances as well. Many OLED owners on Era have put in well over 100+ hours into games (without varied content) and have not experienced permanent image retention. Kyoufu on the other hand has a Netflix logo burned in, something that seldom appears on screen. The poll conducted at AVS below have 9% of OLED owners experiencing permanent burn-in. Having owned 4 OLED's, my personal opinion is that outside of panel lottery, permanent image retention is unlikely. Below are two resources worth looking at when researching OLED burn-in.
ResetEra Thread to discuss Burn-In: https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-seem-to-have-image-burn-on-my-oled-tv-is-this-a-thing.31924/
RTINGS Real Usage Test - https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test
AVS Owners Poll - http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...ibit-image-persistence-burn.html#post55103196
Best Budget TV's ($150-650)
TCL S Series(LCD, 720-1080p, 28-49 inches, 28.7ms input lag)
Samsung NU7100(LCD, 4k, HDR, 40-75 inches, 14ms input lag)
TCL R617(LCD, 4k, HDR, 55-65 inches, 19ms input lag) (US Only)
Best Mid Range TV's ($650-$1200)
Samsung NU8000 (LCD, 4k, HDR, 49-82 inches, 18ms input lag)
Vizio P Series (2018)(LCD, 4k, HDR, 55-75 inches, 15ms input lag, 27ms input lag @4k HDR) (US Only)
Sony X900F(US) XF9005(EU)(LCD, 4k, HDR, 49-85 inches, 24ms input lag @4k, 40ms input lag @1080p)
Best Gaming TV's ($1200++)
Sony X930/40E(LCD, 4k, HDR, 55-75 inches, 25ms input lag @4k, 42ms input [email protected])
Sony A8F(OLED, 4k, HDR, 55-77 inches, 30.7ms input lag @4k, 47.4ms input [email protected])
Vizio P Quantum(LCD, 4k, HDR, 65 inches, 15.5ms input lag, 27.6ms input lag @4k HDR) (US Only)
Samsung Q9FN (LCD, 4k, HDR, 65-75 inches, 22ms input lag)
LG B8/C8(OLED, 4k, HDR, 55-77 inches, 21.4ms input lag, 29ms input lag @4k HDR)
Reference Material (Games)
Resident Evil 7
Forza Horizon 3 + Forza Motorsport 7 + Gran Turismo Sport
Horizon Zero Dawn
Uncharted 4 + TLL
Ratchet & Clank
God of War
Detroit: Become Human
Reference Material (Movies and Documentaries)
Mad Max: Fury Road
John Wick 2
Blade Runner 2049
Planet Earth 2
Blue Planet 2
Sicario: Day of the Soldado
The Matrix Trilogy
Avengers: Infinity War
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
The Dark Tower
Ready Player One
Reference Material (Shows)
The Final Table
The Grand Tour
HDMI 2.1 Feature Comparison Image
The new HDMI2.1 specification has just been announced and it contains some really good improvements over HDMI 2.0
- Higher Video Resolutions support a range of higher resolutions and faster refresh rates including 8K60Hz and 4K120Hz for immersive viewing and smooth fast-action detail.
- Dynamic HDR ensures every moment of a video is displayed at its ideal values for depth, detail, brightness, contrast, and wider color gamuts-on a scene-by-scene or even a frame-by-frame basis.
- 48G cables enable up to 48Gbps bandwidth for uncompressed HDMI 2.1 feature support including 8K video with HDR. The cable is backwards compatible with earlier versions of the HDMI Specification and can be used with existing HDMI devices.
- eARC supports the most advanced audio formats such as object-based audio, and enables advanced audio signal control capabilities including device auto-detect.
- Game Mode VRR features variable refresh rate, which enables a 3D graphics processor to display the image at the moment it is rendered for more fluid and better detailed gameplay, and for reducing or eliminating lag, stutter, and frame tearing.
- FAQ here: https://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_1/index.aspx
Our very own III-V, post #6
Our very own FrankNitty, post #48
Compare TV Sizes
HD Fury linker FAQ
Patterns and Torture Tests
(special thanks to FrankNitty for the SUPER HELPFUL below content)
Tron Legacy 41:50 (Used to check that cyan is decoding/displayed correctly)
Prometheus 01:04 Just after A ridley Scott film around where that text is displayed. The fog can display various shades of magenta or green when color decoding is off at low IRE
Harry Potter and Deathly Hollows PT2 (shadow detail)1:07:05 checking for crushed detail. This will appear in the upper .right half of teh screen as they descend staircase. Highlights are on the water a good majority will be seen if you are not crushing black. If you are not crushing black the following scene will see some detail in Snapes robes. 1:07:50
Inception 1:42:07 check for clipping white and blown out details
Spears and Munsil - Sarah on hammock I mainly use this for motion test. The test Sarah on hammock most displays cannot handle this but it's a great way to set motion for real content. I have only seen 2 displays handle this test well and they were both high end plasmas. (http://spearsandmunsil.com/)
DVS HDR-10 and HLG HDR test patterns - Only UHD HDR calibration disc. Price varies from $25-$85 depending on if you get single HDR-10 or HLG or both. Physical disc or Download has workflows for CalMAN, Chromapure, and HCFR. AS well as LG specific OLED workflows and patterns (https://diversifiedvideosolutions.com/index.html)
Light Space - Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk Free or $30 blu ray (https://displaycalibrations.com/index.html)
Disney WOW - Best patterns for setting brightness and contrast. Price varies as it is no longer produced
AVS HD 709 - Calibration disc with patterns and work flows that match earlier versions of CalMAN, Chromapure, and HCFR (https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-...48496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html)
Mobile Forge - Pattern generator. Requires CalMAN though it will work on FireTV, Apple TV, and I believe Chromecast. Free and cheapest entry into automated pattern generation (check app store)
Special thanks to Gn0mercy for his excellent work on OT1 and for telling me after 19,900 posts that he couldn't do OT2!
Also, a special thanks to GearDraxon for putting together the utterly amazing banner!
Lastly, a special thanks to Dinjooh for the dope headers!!