TV Displays and Tech Thread |OT2| There Is No Perfect TV ™ (Read The OP)

woo · Dec 10, 2018

GalacticMouse said:
My LG C8 arrives tomorrow!

Anyone have any tips for settings or initial setup that I should consider? I know one thing I keep reading about is that Dynamic Tone Mapping helps brighten up the image in HDR games, so I'll explore that a bit. Otherwise, do people tend to stick with RTings settings? Any other sites I should check out for that kind of info?

I found it looked so good out of the box that I have barely bothered with tweaking settings. There are a few suggestions with regard to image retention/burn in listed in the instruction manual but it is certainly not necessary to go straight into full-scale tweaking when you first get it. I found that time better spent getting used to the U.I. and so on. I still intend to refer to the rtings setting suggestions but it has made everything I throw at it [4K discs, Blu Ray discs and even terrestrial tv, both HD and SD] look great so it is not exactly a pressing concern. I should say however that I do not have any HDR games so cannot advise on that aspect.

Congrats on your tv. I have been loving mine and trust you shall too :).

Jazbur · Dec 10, 2018

Those with an LG C8 and Xbox One S/X, have you tried out the Xbox tv calibration tool? I did this tonight in SDR game mode and the part where you have adjust brightness to just make the closed eye disappear, I got a brightness setting of 55. I thought the recommended setting was 50. I've checked all other settings and they are correct. Isn't 55 a bit high to keep that true black?

shaneo632 · Dec 10, 2018

Do you guys use the MHL HDMI port? My PC is looking choppy af when plugged into it.

Serious Sam · Dec 10, 2018

Apharmd said:
The Xbox One (and Samsung 2018's) don't support LFC? Aren't they FreeSync2 displays, which would mean that LFC is in the spec?

" In response to a query, an AMD spokesperson clarified the frame rate ranges that support FreeSync on the Samsung TVs. "There are two settings available under Game Mode. At 1080p, the "Ultimate" setting has a range of 48-120Hz, and "Basic" supports 90-120Hz. In 4K, the range is 48-60Hz." With such a high low-end FPS requirement, the technology should be most successful with games capable of running at 60fps. "

Freesync also reduces input lag, so just having it on without any frame drops is still beneficial.

Deleted member 16452 · Dec 10, 2018

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/motion/variable-refresh-rate

GalacticMouse · Dec 10, 2018

So my C8 came ahead of schedule tonight. Hoooooly hell what a difference from the KS8500 and Q6FN that preceded it.

Once we got it set up I threw on the flower petal bridge scene from Coco and everyone in the house gawked at it for 5-10 minutes before I switched to Infinity War to gawk at that. We're currently watching the Blue Planet II UHD disc and it's pretty mind blowing.

I'm excited to get some gaming time on this thing!

Deleted member 16452 · Dec 10, 2018

GalacticMouse said:
So my C8 came ahead of schedule tonight. Hoooooly hell what a difference from the KS8500 and Q6FN that preceded it.

Once we got it set up I threw on the flower petal bridge scene from Coco and everyone in the house gawked at it for 5-10 minutes before I switched to Infinity War to gawk at that. We're currently watching the Blue Planet II UHD disc and it's pretty mind blowing.

I'm excited to get some gaming time on this thing!

Nothing will ever look the same after this, you're on the OLED path now.

I get the same reactions when I play a UHD movie for friends and family when they come over, happened this weekend actually.

DangerMouse · Dec 10, 2018

GalacticMouse said:
So my C8 came ahead of schedule tonight. Hoooooly hell what a difference from the KS8500 and Q6FN that preceded it.

Once we got it set up I threw on the flower petal bridge scene from Coco and everyone in the house gawked at it for 5-10 minutes before I switched to Infinity War to gawk at that. We're currently watching the Blue Planet II UHD disc and it's pretty mind blowing.

I'm excited to get some gaming time on this thing!

Nice. Agreed, Coco looked amazing when I finally watched it.

guitarguy316 · Dec 10, 2018

Vinegar Joe said:
Well...

Yeah, out of nowhere. There has always been *minor* banding at 2-5% grey but it is barely noticeable after that.

Suddenly, when navigating the Xbox One UI (a notorious banding litmus test) I noticed it. Two really obvious bands all the way up to 20% grey!

They were noticeable when watching dark content like horror films. Cue one short panel maintenance cycle later and...

Gone! I checked the Xbox UI to make sure, and nothing there either.

I don't know if I should be happy or even more concerned!

Manual comp or 4hr auto comp?

Ffog · Dec 10, 2018

I bought a C8 during Black Friday, that became an E8 due to stock issues and a bloody good "upgrade" offer. (I lurked this thread a lot when researching).
After more than 10 years using an old Toshiba LCD that possibly couldn't even display 1080, HOLY SHIT. I have been blown away.
Even on my OG Xbox One things look dramatically better. I don't think I'd ever noticed puddles from rain in PUBG before.
My wife legitimately thought Bluray was a massive con. Goddamn not any more. What a TV. Could not be happier. And I haven't even got into proper 4K, HDR stuff yet

Kyle Cross · Dec 11, 2018

I have a question.

On the B7 SDR Game Mode on Non-PC input is locked to Wide Color Gamut resulting in over saturated colors. Lowering the Color setting down to 40-44 lowers the overall saturation, but colors are still improper shades. Switching to PC-input sucks due to more pronounced color banding. So, my question is; Can the CMS settings be tweaked to combat this, and with the right combination of settings get a picture that is identical to standard color gamut while being locked into wide? If so, I'd love if we could all work together on figuring that combination out.

Vinegar Joe · Dec 11, 2018

guitarguy316 said:
Manual comp or 4hr auto comp?

Just normal comp cycle...is that expected behaviour?

MetsFanAtShea · Dec 11, 2018

Vinegar Joe said:
Just normal comp cycle...is that expected behaviour?

So this shit hole is no better than NeoGaf then I see. The mods still suck a Sony dick and the sheep following migrated over from NeoGaf. In short fuck off with the natzi moderation.
You can ban me for good,I'd rather speak my mind than belong to the hivemind here. LOL.

Dinjooh · Dec 11, 2018

Bumrush said:
GearDraxon any chance you'd like to try your hand at making us a thread banner?

I'm always game if GearDraxon is busy.

Ffog said:
I bought a C8 during Black Friday, that became an E8 due to stock issues and a bloody good "upgrade" offer. (I lurked this thread a lot when researching).
After more than 10 years using an old Toshiba LCD that possibly couldn't even display 1080, HOLY SHIT. I have been blown away.
Even on my OG Xbox One things look dramatically better. I don't think I'd ever noticed puddles from rain in PUBG before.
My wife legitimately thought Bluray was a massive con. Goddamn not any more. What a TV. Could not be happier. And I haven't even got into proper 4K, HDR stuff yet

That is one hell of a technological leap you've made there. I recently sold my old TV to my dad, more than anything - he was most impressed going from a TV that's 46kg to one that's 11kg - and bigger in inches!

MetsFanAtShea said:
So this shit hole is no better than NeoGaf then I see. The mods still suck a Sony dick and the sheep following migrated over from NeoGaf. In short fuck off with the natzi moderation.
You can ban me for good,I'd rather speak my mind than belong to the hivemind here. LOL.

Que?

Skiptastic · Dec 11, 2018

MetsFanAtShea said:
So this shit hole is no better than NeoGaf then I see. The mods still suck a Sony dick and the sheep following migrated over from NeoGaf. In short fuck off with the natzi moderation.
You can ban me for good,I'd rather speak my mind than belong to the hivemind here. LOL.

What an odd choice of quotes to pop off on...in such an odd thread. Like...what the hell?

Deleted member 16452 · Dec 11, 2018

MetsFanAtShea said:
So this shit hole is no better than NeoGaf then I see. The mods still suck a Sony dick and the sheep following migrated over from NeoGaf. In short fuck off with the natzi moderation.
You can ban me for good,I'd rather speak my mind than belong to the hivemind here. LOL.

What the...

Skiptastic said:
What an odd choice of quotes to pop off on...in such an odd thread. Like...what the hell?

Its so bizarre and random lol.

Good on the mods for acting quickly at least.

dallow_bg · Dec 11, 2018

GalacticMouse said:
So my C8 came ahead of schedule tonight. Hoooooly hell what a difference from the KS8500 and Q6FN that preceded it.

Once we got it set up I threw on the flower petal bridge scene from Coco and everyone in the house gawked at it for 5-10 minutes before I switched to Infinity War to gawk at that. We're currently watching the Blue Planet II UHD disc and it's pretty mind blowing.

I'm excited to get some gaming time on this thing!

Ffog said:
I bought a C8 during Black Friday, that became an E8 due to stock issues and a bloody good "upgrade" offer. (I lurked this thread a lot when researching).
After more than 10 years using an old Toshiba LCD that possibly couldn't even display 1080, HOLY SHIT. I have been blown away.
Even on my OG Xbox One things look dramatically better. I don't think I'd ever noticed puddles from rain in PUBG before.
My wife legitimately thought Bluray was a massive con. Goddamn not any more. What a TV. Could not be happier. And I haven't even got into proper 4K, HDR stuff yet

Love seeing first time oled impressions!

Deleted member 35478 · Dec 11, 2018

GalacticMouse said:
So my C8 came ahead of schedule tonight. Hoooooly hell what a difference from the KS8500 and Q6FN that preceded it.

Once we got it set up I threw on the flower petal bridge scene from Coco and everyone in the house gawked at it for 5-10 minutes before I switched to Infinity War to gawk at that. We're currently watching the Blue Planet II UHD disc and it's pretty mind blowing.

I'm excited to get some gaming time on this thing!

Haha, I was just watching Blue Planet 2 on Netflix on my B7 and was just thinking, "Man, I should get this on UHD Blu Ray" lol. Episode one is straight up demo material with the variation of content with high contrast and vibrant colors within the first 10 mins.

splash wave · Dec 11, 2018

I got the X900F! We went with 49 inches despite wanting to go bigger, but the larger size would have been too much for our TV stand (and we would have had to buy speaker stands, which would have been annoying).

Anyway, the TV seems mostly great, but I'm wondering if anyone's noticed issues with light blooming around subtitles. I watched a film last night and it seemed like there was a bright halo around the intense bright white color of the text. It wasn't *so* bad, but I did notice—especially because the movie consisted mainly of dark scenes. Is there any way to minimize this effect?

And are there any good general settings guides out there that I should take a look at?

Cronus · Dec 11, 2018

Vinegar Joe said:
Well...

Yeah, out of nowhere. There has always been *minor* banding at 2-5% grey but it is barely noticeable after that.

Suddenly, when navigating the Xbox One UI (a notorious banding litmus test) I noticed it. Two really obvious bands all the way up to 20% grey!

They were noticeable when watching dark content like horror films. Cue one short panel maintenance cycle later and...

Gone! I checked the Xbox UI to make sure, and nothing there either.

I don't know if I should be happy or even more concerned!

Wait, what? Just a short (automatic) panel maintenance? That's weird.

How's it looking today?

I'll probably buy one this week or the next.

DOTDASHDOT · Dec 11, 2018

Kyle Cross said:
I have a question.

On the B7 SDR Game Mode on Non-PC input is locked to Wide Color Gamut resulting in over saturated colors. Lowering the Color setting down to 40-44 lowers the overall saturation, but colors are still improper shades. Switching to PC-input sucks due to more pronounced color banding. So, my question is; Can the CMS settings be tweaked to combat this, and with the right combination of settings get a picture that is identical to standard color gamut while being locked into wide? If so, I'd love if we could all work together on figuring that combination out.

Well last night I had my first bit of horrendous banding in PC mode, and when I say horrendous I mean unplayable, due to the noise and bands all over the screen, whilst I've seen a tad more banding in the past compared to game SDR, this was on another level! Game did ease it considerably, but I was taken back by the poor PQ I was seeing.

Game was Ashen...

Vinegar Joe · Dec 11, 2018

Skiptastic said:
What an odd choice of quotes to pop off on...in such an odd thread. Like...what the hell?

Oh cool, someone has quoted my po...

...okay...

:'(

Cronus said:
Wait, what? Just a short (automatic) panel maintenance? That's weird.

How's it looking today?

I'll probably buy one this week or the next.

Yeah, just a short maintenance cycle. I've not watched it a huge amount since yesterday but it seems fine right now. Just ran a full grey pattern check and no visible banding.

burgerdog · Dec 11, 2018

DOTDASHDOT said:
Well last night I had my first bit of horrendous banding in PC mode, and when I say horrendous I mean unplayable, due to the noise and bands all over the screen, whilst I've seen a tad more banding in the past compared to game SDR, this was on another level! Game did ease it considerably, but I was taken back by the poor PQ I was seeing.

Game was Ashen...

The banding is truly out of control in Ashen. Can you combat wcg the same way you toned it down in hdr mode? If you can come up with something that looks relatively close to pc/isf I would be happy enough to leave the tv in one input setting to avoid switching.

DOTDASHDOT · Dec 11, 2018

burgerdog said:
The banding is truly out of control in Ashen. Can you combat wcg the same way you toned it down in hdr mode? If you can come up with something that looks relatively close to pc/isf I would be happy enough to leave the tv in one input setting to avoid switching.

I'm gonna have a good go at matching tonight, but yeah it's unbelievably bad, to the point I thought the TV had gone horribly wrong.

GalacticMouse · Dec 11, 2018

Anyone have SDR Gaming settings they're willing to share for their C8? I have mine set to game mode and I feel like it's crushing blacks a little bit. I have black levels set to low to correspond with the RGB output from my PS4 (High made everything look grey) and I think I have contrast at 85. Is that too low?

darkwing · Dec 11, 2018

splash wave said:
I got the X900F! We went with 49 inches despite wanting to go bigger, but the larger size would have been too much for our TV stand (and we would have had to buy speaker stands, which would have been annoying).

Anyway, the TV seems mostly great, but I'm wondering if anyone's noticed issues with light blooming around subtitles. I watched a film last night and it seemed like there was a bright halo around the intense bright white color of the text. It wasn't *so* bad, but I did notice—especially because the movie consisted mainly of dark scenes. Is there any way to minimize this effect?

And are there any good general settings guides out there that I should take a look at?

if you can, change the subtitle appearance

DOTDASHDOT · Dec 11, 2018

GalacticMouse said:
Anyone have SDR Gaming settings they're willing to share for their C8? I have mine set to game mode and I feel like it's crushing blacks a little bit. I have black levels set to low to correspond with the RGB output from my PS4 (High made everything look grey) and I think I have contrast at 85. Is that too low?

Stick contrast to 96, that'll give you a bit of shadow detail back, my B7 is calibrated to that, it'll be extremely similar.

GalacticMouse · Dec 11, 2018

DOTDASHDOT said:
Stick contrast to 96, that'll give you a bit of shadow detail back, my B7 is calibrated to that, it'll be extremely similar.

Buffing the contrast helped a bit, but switching to High black level also helped.

On LG, which black level setting corresponds with RGB output?

Kyle Cross · Dec 11, 2018

DOTDASHDOT said:
I'm gonna have a good go at matching tonight, but yeah it's unbelievably bad, to the point I thought the TV had gone horribly wrong.

Awesome. If we can get Non-PC SDR Game Mode to match Auto gamut then that's the dream. No input switching, no extra banding. It must be possible with CMS.

One1stepahead · Dec 11, 2018

DOTDASHDOT said:
Well last night I had my first bit of horrendous banding in PC mode, and when I say horrendous I mean unplayable, due to the noise and bands all over the screen, whilst I've seen a tad more banding in the past compared to game SDR, this was on another level! Game did ease it considerably, but I was taken back by the poor PQ I was seeing.

Game was Ashen...

I don't even use PC mode anymore, there is always more banding even with 4:2:0. PC Mode off and Game mode has way less banding. I can clearly see that in the skies in RDR 2.

I have to deal with the force wide colour gamut in Game mode and that sucks. I have colour at 44 but the red push is still there. It all comes down to more banding or wide colour gamut. But the lesser of the two evils is the latter i think. Banding is just more distracting to me.

LG need to give us the option to choose between auto and wide colour gamut in Game mode. I know they won't though! Maybe i have to look at Panasonic with my next OLED. But i know i will mis webOS, the magic remote and Dolby Vision.

DOTDASHDOT · Dec 11, 2018

GalacticMouse said:
Buffing the contrast helped a bit, but switching to High black level also helped.

On LG, which black level setting corresponds with RGB output?

It's just called black level, you'll know if you're mismatching as it'll either look grey, or seriously crushed and very colourful, stick to low.

Cronus · Dec 11, 2018

Kyle Cross said:
I have a question.

On the B7 SDR Game Mode on Non-PC input is locked to Wide Color Gamut resulting in over saturated colors. Lowering the Color setting down to 40-44 lowers the overall saturation, but colors are still improper shades. Switching to PC-input sucks due to more pronounced color banding. So, my question is; Can the CMS settings be tweaked to combat this, and with the right combination of settings get a picture that is identical to standard color gamut while being locked into wide? If so, I'd love if we could all work together on figuring that combination out.

You can't unfortunately. It's one of the reasons I started to get pissed off with my C7 and sold it.

Vinegar Joe said:
Oh cool, someone has quoted my po...

...okay...

:'(

Yeah, just a short maintenance cycle. I've not watched it a huge amount since yesterday but it seems fine right now. Just ran a full grey pattern check and no visible banding.

Great to hear. Hope it stays that way.

Deleted member 21339 · Dec 11, 2018

splash wave said:
I got the X900F! We went with 49 inches despite wanting to go bigger, but the larger size would have been too much for our TV stand (and we would have had to buy speaker stands, which would have been annoying).

Anyway, the TV seems mostly great, but I'm wondering if anyone's noticed issues with light blooming around subtitles. I watched a film last night and it seemed like there was a bright halo around the intense bright white color of the text. It wasn't *so* bad, but I did notice—especially because the movie consisted mainly of dark scenes. Is there any way to minimize this effect?

And are there any good general settings guides out there that I should take a look at?

Local dimming on high but this is also a limitation of local dimming tech

DOTDASHDOT · Dec 11, 2018

One1stepahead said:
I don't even use PC mode anymore, there is always more banding even with 4:2:0. PC Mode off and Game mode has way less banding. I can clearly see that in the skies in RDR 2.

I have to deal with the force wide colour gamut in Game mode and that sucks. I have colour at 44 but the red push is still there. It all comes down to more banding or wide colour gamut. But the lesser of the two evils is the latter i think. Banding is just more distracting to me.

LG need to give us the option to choose between auto and wide colout gamut in Game mode. I know they won't though! Maybe i have to look at Panasonic with my next OLED. But i know i will mis webOS, the magic remote and Dolby Vision.

It's never been a problem for me, because most games have been sleight when it comes to banding, but I guess Ashen is the perfect storm, I mean it's bandy, noisy, blocky and the band's have green streaks in them, thank god it's a rare example, but in no way am I putting up with that.

MosquitoSmasher · Dec 11, 2018

Really odd but last weekend when I continued with RDR2 (and when my Xbox One X hadn't kicked the bucket yet) I didn't like how overly colorful the game looked on the Q9FN in SDR. And turning down color from 25 to lower didn't do much and the color tone already was warm2, so that wasn't it.

I then decided to enable HDR and see how that looked and I was surprised by how much better it actually looks. Grass didn't look cartoony like colorful anymore, more like realistic and with putting brightness at - 1 or 2 interiors actually don't look overly bright at all anymore. So when it comes to being a proper HDR implementation it fails but it makes it look more realistic than SDR though.

Deleted member 16452 · Dec 11, 2018

MosquitoSmasher said:
Really odd but last weekend when I continued with RDR2 (and when my Xbox One X hadn't kicked the bucket yet) I didn't like how overly colorful the game looked on the Q9FN in SDR. And turning down color from 25 to lower didn't do much and the color tone already was warm2, so that wasn't it.

I then decided to enable HDR and see how that looked and I was surprised by how much better it actually looks. Grass didn't look cartoony like colorful anymore, more like realistic and with putting brightness at - 1 or 2 interiors actually don't look overly bright at all anymore. So when it comes to being a proper HDR implementation it fails but it makes it look more realistic than SDR though.

Absolutely, this is why I always preferred the HDR look in RDR2 with lowered brightness to 47 on my OLED.

I'm not sure if this was intended by Rockstar or just a happy little accident, but the fake HDR gave the game a far more realistic look, specially in the later chapters of the game.

DrKelpo · Dec 11, 2018

I need your help guys... I posted last week that something seemed off about Red Dead Redemption 2 on my C8.. some kind of micro stuttering, but I couldn't exactly put my finger on it. Also I found almost no other people online talking about similar issues. Not only that, every bit of footage I saw of the game didn't seem to have this problem and seemed smoother than my game. I thought I was losing my mind.
Today I finally realized what the issue is. It's the Game Mode on my TV. I don't know what's happening but the problem exists on this mode alone. The thing is, I don't understand what setting is causing it. My first thought was TruMotion/MotionPro of course, but turning it on made everything significantly worse and didn't help with the issue at all.
These are the settings I'm using in non-HDR game mode:
OLED 56
Contrast 85
Brightness 50
Sharp 0
Color Depth 60
Color 0
Temperatur W40
Gamma Medium/Middle
Black Low
Everything else off

I'm thankful for every suggestion.

MosquitoSmasher · Dec 11, 2018

2Bee said:
Absolutely, this is why I always preferred the HDR look in RDR2 with lowered brightness to 47 on my OLED.

I'm not sure if this was intended by Rockstar or just a happy little accident, but the fake HDR gave the game a far more realistic look, specially in the later chapters of the game.

Oh wow, that's interesting. I almost thought I was the only one, haha. Especially because on the Sony 930e it's the other way around. I can't really get interiors to look right and outside it just looks bad, I'd say almost washed out. Not on the Q9FN.

So on the OLED in SDR it's overly colorful as well? I really noticed it as soon as you arrive in the camp close to Valentine. The grass isn't like a Sea of Thieves green but more like how you would expect it to look. Oddly enough, my brother who has a KS7000(8000)plays RDR2 in SDR and it looks great there, very similar to how it looks on my TV in HDR, lol.

herbchamberz · Dec 11, 2018

GalacticMouse said:
Buffing the contrast helped a bit, but switching to High black level also helped.

On LG, which black level setting corresponds with RGB output?

You may want to first just adjust your gamma level if you're noticing crushed blacks. See if that helps.

professor_t · Dec 11, 2018

Shifty Capone said:
After reading through a lot of this thread, I am on the fence on what TV I should pull the trigger on.
I really would prefer a TV that is 80+ inches and my max budget is $3,500.
Looking at these big displays, I have come to the conclusion that my best option is the Sony x900f or x850f. Obviously the x900f is a better display, but finding it at that price point has seemed rather difficult. Best Buy had a great offer of the x850f at $2,700. The Samsung QLED at 82" seem good too, but the input lag seems a little high. I'd love if the Vizio P came in a bigger size, but with it 'only' being 75", my options seem really limited.
Anyone on ERA have any one of these displays? Thanks for the help!

Also, from what I remember years ago, January was always the best time to buy new displays as CES/new models were coming so the old models generally dropped in price. Is that still the case?

Where are you seeing reports of bad input lag for the Samsung Q series? I was under the impression that it fared better than the Sony under almost every condition. In fact, I was included to buy the Sony you mentioned but ultimately went Samsung because of their impressive lag times.

splash wave · Dec 11, 2018

JB1981 said:
Local dimming on high but this is also a limitation of local dimming tech

I should turn it off, then?

Kyle Cross · Dec 11, 2018

DOTDASHDOT said:
It's never been a problem for me, because most games have been sleight when it comes to banding, but I guess Ashen is the perfect storm, I mean it's bandy, noisy, blocky and the band's have green streaks in them, thank god it's a rare example, but in no way am I putting up with that.

I've always noticed it. I often felt like I was going crazy, but it's quite noticeable for me...

Josh378 · Dec 11, 2018

Ok Guys, going to Best Buy. Thinking of getting an OLED, but I can only get the B8 65 inch. Should I pull the trigger at $2088 for an B8 or just be patient and wait until spring to get the C8/E8? Whats your thoughts on this?

Boss- · Dec 11, 2018

Josh378 said:
Ok Guys, going to Best Buy. Thinking of getting an OLED, but I can only get the B8 65 inch. Should I pull the trigger at $2088 for an B8 or just be patient and wait until spring to get the C8/E8? Whats your thoughts on this?

Wait for a C8. January is quickly approaching.

And by January I mean CES 2019.

MosquitoSmasher · Dec 11, 2018

DOTDASHDOT said:
Well last night I had my first bit of horrendous banding in PC mode, and when I say horrendous I mean unplayable, due to the noise and bands all over the screen, whilst I've seen a tad more banding in the past compared to game SDR, this was on another level! Game did ease it considerably, but I was taken back by the poor PQ I was seeing.

Game was Ashen...

The game is almost constantly either light or dark grey isn't it? Oh boy I fear how that's gonna look on my Q9FN that clearly shows banding in cave areas in Hellblade and in dark grey areas in Battlefield 5. I don't notice banding and the green tinge in many other colors, maybe a little but when it's dark grey.....hoo boy.

DOTDASHDOT · Dec 11, 2018

MosquitoSmasher said:
The game is almost constantly either light or dark grey isn't it? Oh boy I fear how that's gonna look on my Q9FN that clearly shows banding in cave areas in Hellblade and in dark grey areas in Battlefield 5. I don't notice banding and the green tinge in many other colors, maybe a little but when it's dark grey.....hoo boy.

The beginning was yeah, must have tons of black to grey gradations! Anyhow with game SDR it's miles better, I'm sure your Q9FN won't be as bad as what I saw :)

JohnCarpenter1306 · Dec 11, 2018

Hi! Got redirected here from another thread in regards to buying a new 4k tv. I'm looking at 3 particular TYPES of 4k tv- OLED. QLED and LG's Super UHD. It'll be used 90% of the time for gaming and 4k blu ray viewing, and 10% of the time for PC usage.
Any suggestions? I'm in Australia by the way...

DOTDASHDOT · Dec 11, 2018

Anyhow I think I've struck upon the best game SDR settings possible to find, 7 series folk.

I've painstakingly been matching my calibrated dark Isf mode to game SDR, and have settled on a really close picture.

Oddly one of the problems is that isf dark is brighter than game SDR with the exact same OLED light and contrast, initially I thought it was white point (which may be to some extent) but you can't calibrate game, it's visibly brighter which is why with the same settings isf dark looks more impactful, also uncalibrated Technicolor does too, so I upped contrast to 100 (from 96) and bumped OLED light to 70 (from 60) and now luminance wise it's a total match, colour 39, colour temp W50, gamma high 1.

Literally all colours look extremely close, with the occasional red (not all) looking slightly deeper than isf, funny thing is I tried games with lots of blood, and they actually looked better on game SDR, as it was a proper blood colour and not oversaturated, vs light pinkish on isf!???

Skin tones looks natural just like isf, vibrant games like Mega Man 11 look punchy and colourful, whilst keeping the same shades.

This is as good as it gets guys.

OnagaTheDragon · Dec 11, 2018

curious, I have been using the PC mode with the ISF for more than a year now with my B7 and I have never noticed that there is more banding than in non-PC mode.

at least, no more that there is already in the source.

also, l keep saying it, PC Mode works best with RGB Full and black level high, but you guys keep ignoring me, i just hope that somebody try it and see, you get a slight better shadow detail and color, its pretty noticiable in high contrast games like overwatch.

DOTDASHDOT · Dec 11, 2018

OnagaTheDragon said:
curious, I have been using the PC mode with the ISF for more than a year now with my B7 and I have never noticed that there is more banding than in non-PC mode.

at least, no more that there is already in the source.

also, l keep saying it, PC Mode works best with RGB Full and black level high, but you guys keep ignoring me, i just hope that somebody try it and see, you get a slight better shadow detail and color, its pretty noticiable in high contrast games like overwatch.

I've tried it before, and I've tried it now on Ashen, it looks equally as bad.

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