Is the banding definately the display and not just the source?
I set my console to 8bit full range RGB now, as all the games are internally full range, so there is a theoretical incremental improvement there
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Is the banding definately the display and not just the source?
I set my console to 8bit full range RGB now, as all the games are internally full range, so there is a theoretical incremental improvement there
Thanks for the tip. The B8 wouldn't require that external metadata device for games, I take it? I wonder if companies pull the same thing for super bowl sales as black Friday. The custom models and whatnot
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Latest firmware for LG 2017 OLEDs is up and as expected it does nothing :P
https://www.lg.com/us/support-product/lg-OLED55B7A#manuals
https://www.lg.com/us/support-product/lg-OLED55B7A#manuals
Nope, no need for any of that.
That alone is reason enough to go for the 8 series imo.
I had to fiddle with the lower IRE gamma slightly to bring out some shadow detail, but I'll be honest - I'm no expert. Is there anything you'd like me to test?
It just doesn't work in PC mode, full RGB on dark gradations is an absolute mess, whereas on game it's miles better, you can use 4:2:0 chroma for PC which solves it, but then input lag is increased......nightmare.
So I've spent another 3 hours trying to get to the bottom of it, tried every combination of chroma and bitrate I could come up with on the Vertex using custom EDID's, there is nothing that can be done, and yeah you are right about lag with 4:2:0 on SDR, it was easy to tell playing Mega Man, incredibly frustrating that's for sure.
I wonder if there is any way in the service menus to unlock rec709 for game SDR....
So yeah as it stands the best experience is both game modes, annoying when better options are there, Christ LG are shit.
Dolby recommends Cinema Home for bright room viewing but it clips detail. The effect looks really similar to turning on Dynamic Contrast to me.
DOT, thanks for testing the hell out of the LG OLED. Mega Man is also a good one for testing input lag. And yeah, there is nothing we can do about it and that is definitely frustrating. I will not mess with the service menu.
There is really no perfect OLED out there. Sony has the highest input lag (but still very playable) and dimming issue, Panasonic is crushing black levels...
I have a Linker and that works fine but knowing that you don't need that on the C8 (just 1 year later) still gets me angry. The C7 cost me a lot of money. Damn you LG.
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Because I have a hard time noticing the banding difference between game and PC, I took some pictures:
PC
Game
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Game
I know that RDR2 HDR is broken but on its pretty "drastic" how much difference the picture its vs SDR, in SDR the game its very dark with tons of shadows and contrast.
in HDR the game its way more washed out, with tons of greys on those shadows, to te point that its shows a lot of banding.
hmmm curios, some claim that the picture its the same in both SDR and HDR, but for me its way more different, i wonder, what was the developer its intended look?
in HDR the game its way more washed out, with tons of greys on those shadows, to te point that its shows a lot of banding.
hmmm curios, some claim that the picture its the same in both SDR and HDR, but for me its way more different, i wonder, what was the developer its intended look?
The overly washed out look in HDR goes away when you lower brightness (46 or 47 on an LG OLED).
SDR on the other hand looks too colorful and cartoony for my taste so I played the game in HDR all the way through with the lowered brightness.
And who knows how they intended the game to look, it would be interesting to find out which mode they prefer.
Greentoe is to our friend. I think a c8 at 2100 is possible...even cheaper for b8.
Lost in Space on Netflix has some pretty impressive Dolby Vision implementation. I'm pretty blown away on the C8.
Does it really clip that bad, tho? Cinema just seems so dim, even in my dim room.
I can proudly say, don't get LG 4K TVs. I've had nothing but bad luck with them and I am here to vent my frustration. Busted TV twice in 8 months. Sure they will repair it for free cause it is under warranty but what about when the warranty ends? Still takes a month for them to fix it, so annoying.
Another X900F question! Has anyone notice that 1080p Blu-rays look really grainy? Or is this just a level of film grain and detail I'm not used to seeing?
Talking about their LCD models or LG 4K TVs in general?
A lot of people in here are rocking the LG OLED's, and well - everyone here with an OLED is using their panels.
Well, then you pay for repairs I guess? Just like with every other brand. Not sure why you are proud though?
I had 2 busted Sony FALD screens before I got an LG OLED trade-in. Couldn't be happier.
No worries, we all deserve the best PQ! It's not all doom and gloom, I forgot to say that in PC mode and RGB, 1080p doesn't suffer from the same banding! WTF right? It's as good as game mode, so for retro gaming, or Nintendo Switch, basically anything 720p/1080p, you can still have accurate colours, full RGB and low lag, just not in 4K..... I'm pleased I can use my Super Nt, Switch and the Mega SG in PC anyway.
Ashen has been a godsend for testing banding, I mean it's so bad, that it's made it easier to see the differences.
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I switched to Cinema Home when watching Altered Carbon 6 months ago and haven't looked back. This is in a dark room. Regular Cinema is indeed too dim.
yes all the panels are from LG but i think lot of the difference is made by the software that each company uses. probably LG push for having a too much bright image that causes burns...
I wish there was a happy medium. Cinema looks more natural/realistic but it's a little on the dark side. Was a bit too dark at times on Haunting of Hill House. Cinema Home is nice and bright but the colours seem a little washed out compared to Cinema
I have a C8 and am wanting to make sure i have the correct rgb settings. On the tv low black level is correlated with limited range on ps4 right? And high black level with high rgb? So as long as those two settings are matched i'm good, right?
To me the clipping is noticeable and I'll always take more detail over extra brightness but that's me.
55" 4k OLED TV.
Maybe confidently is better, I can say it without fault. Never had issues with a HDTV (this is my 4th brand) until LG entered my life.
Have you tried lowering Brightness from 50 to somewhere between 45-49 - that can help a lot when HDR is a bit washed-out.
Sure but it will get darker... Due to the default greyish HDR
Does anyone have any experiences with the Samsung UN55NU6900? I actually won this in a contest and it came in yesterday. I look at reviews and it seems....to land VERY squarely in the middle with most being unimpressed. I'm not sneezing at a free TV, let alone a 4K set, but...part of me wants to maybe sell it so I can get something better or at least has more HDMI ports, ha ha. I'd be using it for Gaming (I do own a PS4 Pro so the 4K and HDR functions would not go to waste) and as a secondary PC screen and my only other TV is the Panasonic TC-32LZ800 which I've had for 10+ years and still serves me well to this day (I remember making darn sure it was future proof for its time coming from CRTs back then ). But missing all those connections...is this normal for new HDTVs? I admit to not having followed TVs much over the years, and I don't need the bleeding edge, as I don't really have the money for that either. But if I'm going to TV, I want it to last just as long as the Panasonic did and do things right on day one, so I have no regrets when it's already obsolete well into the next year. Sorry for the rambling, just got out of 3rd shift at work, but....what would you guys do?
Anyone have experience with gaming and the Panasonic TX-55FZ800 i've the opportunity to buy it for 1000€ and it seems good.
Have you tried the settings from the LG 2017 OLED thread? Or PC input?
Edit: This was for TheRaidenPT
Edit: This was for TheRaidenPT
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Well this is a nice read the last few pages. Some dude is convinced he sees a difference using several HDMI cables.
https://www.avforums.com/threads/lg-b7-oled-tv-owners-and-discussion-thread.2094250/page-200
https://www.avforums.com/threads/lg-b7-oled-tv-owners-and-discussion-thread.2094250/page-200
lol...
That sucks, but all it means is you had some really shitty luck, and I totally understand if you don't ever wanna buy an LG TV again.
But there's tons of us here with LG OLEDs that never had issues :/
I don't own the TV, but I hear nothing but great things about them and for 1000 its a steal.
Greentoe...? Have you had success going under minimum price?
Awesome. Thanks!
This was a helpful post. Thank you
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Hey, I can actually help with this! I just bought one of these to use as a bedroom TV, they were only 400 bucks on black friday, it seemed like a no brainer. I have an OLED in the living room and just wanted something of passable quality for upstairs. This is a budget display, which explains the lack of ports. For 400 bucks, I'm happy with it. It has better PQ than I expected honestly. HDR is mostly useless on this set, but it can look OK, it lacks wide color gamut and significant brightness, but it's not awful, just nowhere even in the same dimension as my OLED. Input lag is great in game mode. The smart functions are garbagr, it's riddled with ads and a idiotic TV+ app that is like, streaming weird internet TV channels. You cant remove it, and it auto switches to this app if you turn off your console without turning off the TV. Kind of annoying.
As a bedroom TV? Great display, very affordable and the picture is nice.
As a main display? Hell no for me, but I've been spoiled by OLED and could probably never go back to a budget set.
Edit: Also forgot to mention, the black levels on this TV are great, minimal clouding and blooming too. For an edge-lit set with no local dimming, the contrast is superb imo. Also this TV does NOT have bluetooth, so if you rely on bluetooth headphones or speakers, you'll have to figure something else out.
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So 1080p is fine but 2160p is too much to handle RGB in PC mode? Totally bizarre! I still have some of my old consoles connected to my C7 but i play much, much more on my PS4 Pro and X.
I wonder how Ashen wil look on an Sony OLED with smooth gradiation on! What do you think? Even in game mode the color banding in Ashen looks like ass on my C7 haha.
And i don't know why LG give doesn't give the consumer the option to use Rec. 709 in SDR game mode. It's a stupid decision to lock it in wide colour gamut! And it's the same on the 2018 LG OLED's. Sony and Panasonic doesn't do that with their game mode.
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I got a TCL S405 earlier this year and I recently got a PS4 Pro so I was considering simultaneously upgrading to the TCL R617 and gifting the current TV. Is it worth the upgrade and does anyone know if I can find it discounted anywhere or if it might be before Xmas?
Definitely a worthy upgrade as the R617 is basically the go-to recommended budget HDR set while the S405 can't really handle HDR properly (although I think it accepts an HDR signal?).
I've been checking on prices and haven't really seen the R617 cheaper than $600 for a 55" yet this season. They're likely already on a pretty thin margin at that price so I wouldn't expect any discounts greater than $50 or so.
Definitely, I'm at a total loss as to why 1080p has totally 'normal' banding, makes no sense, but yeah Ashen looks like shit generally, at least it's playable in game though I guess.
It should look much better on a Sony I'd imagine, it's always been a nice feature on my Sony sets, prob make a real difference here.
Tbh I just don't know if I can be arsed to swap inputs for different consoles and resolutions, I'm kinda sick of all the messing since I've owned it, so think I'm gonna just stick to game mode for everything, and forget about the calibrated settings I have, it's not like gaming has ever mimic'd real life is it, and with some tweaks it still looks like the best SDR gaming experience you can get, with vibrant deep colours etc.
I understand that you are getting sick of having to constantly mess around with everything, i'm also tired of it. Smooth gradiation of Sony would be nice to have but there are other problems with their TV's.
True, even in game mode with the wide colour gamut you have an image quality that is still fantastic and better than almost all other TV's on the market. Let's not forget about that.
Enjoy your OLED mate!
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Guys is there a way to stop ASBL kicking in? Watching Ozark and Haunting Hill was a pain... i refuse to believe that in the year 2018 LG cabt make the tv distinguish a moving picture however dark it is from a static image...
The tv is absolutely perfect but dark shows become a problem with ASBL dimming the screen...
The tv is absolutely perfect but dark shows become a problem with ASBL dimming the screen...
is it the asbl in general or do you have a 8 series that had some type of luminance bug on previous firmwares?
What hes describing isn't that old bug.
And I think asbl can be disabled in the service menu.
Not talking about any bug, just the dimming feature of the tv which is really poor imo. Practically every prolonged dark scene will kick asbl and dimm the image to the point where you cant barely make things out. I cant believe LG still hasnt fixed this.
Try watching Lzark or Haunting Hill and you will see what i am talking about.