TV Displays and Tech Thread |OT2| There Is No Perfect TV ™ (Read The OP)

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Bumrush
Oct 25, 2017
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This isnt the audio thread but it's certainly corollary:

is it possible to get a decent Dolby Atmos sound set up (even 2.1) for 500 bucks or less?

My place is pretty small and directly attached so I think a bigger set up will be saved for house # 2. However, I still wanna experience Atmos if I can.
Honestly, for $500 or less I would recommend foregoing Atmos for now. The good Atmos sound bars are still priced a bit higher than this and a recommended 5.1.2 system will run you much more. I'd recommend starting with a receiver (that can handle 4K / Atmos) and good bookshelf speakers to start, as just that alone sounds significantly better than sound bars in the same price range...plus you can grow off of it in the new place.

My $0.02 but RedlineRonin GearDraxon kvetcha DJ Lushious among others can weigh in with more knowledge and experience.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Honestly, for $500 or less I would recommend foregoing Atmos for now. The good Atmos sound bars are still priced a bit higher than this and a recommended 5.1.2 system will run you much more. I'd recommend starting with a receiver (that can handle 4K / Atmos) and good bookshelf speakers to start, as just that alone sounds significantly better than sound bars in the same price range...plus you can grow off of it in the new place.

My $0.02 but RedlineRonin GearDraxon kvetcha DJ Lushious among others can weigh in with more knowledge and experience.
Better to build up a quality system than to buy the cheapest all-in-one you can get. You'll be a lot happier with the end result.
 
Honestly, for $500 or less I would recommend foregoing Atmos for now. The good Atmos sound bars are still priced a bit higher than this and a recommended 5.1.2 system will run you much more. I'd recommend starting with a receiver (that can handle 4K / Atmos) and good bookshelf speakers to start, as just that alone sounds significantly better than sound bars in the same price range...plus you can grow off of it in the new place.

My $0.02 but RedlineRonin GearDraxon kvetcha DJ Lushious among others can weigh in with more knowledge and experience.
Thanks for the timely and in-depth reply!
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I was curious about that LG Atmos soundbar that Costco sells for $600 (think its the sk9y?), but reading user reviews put me off.

Seems like you really do need to spend quite a bit more to get a real Atmos experience.
 
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Bumrush
Oct 25, 2017
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I was curious about that LG Atmos soundbar that Costco sells for $600 (think its the sk9y?), but reading user reviews put me off.

Seems like you really do need to spend quite a bit more to get a real Atmos experience.
The money is DEFINITELY worth it. But, with that said, going from TV speakers / sound bar to quality 2.1 was a bigger improvement than 2.1 to 5.1 or 5.1 to 5.1.2
 
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That Naive Cube!! What Bumrush and kvetcha have said is spot-on: getting a decent 2-channel setup going will give you a large jump in quality, while trying to squeeze a multichannel system into that budget will be tough. In addition, you’ll be able to add to the 2-channel system as budget allows, while you’ll likely have to toss the all-in-one if you decide to go better, later on.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Downloaded the Oreo update to my 900e via usb. Had to tweak the home screen for a bit before I got it to a nice layout (ie minimal as possible). I heard the update could bork HDR though it seems fine on my set. Only thing I don't like is the HDR icon's still buried in the picture settings menu, and opening that pauses any apps now.

I read that Atmos on Netflix would be added to 900e's, but that must have been a rumor. Still shows up as 5.1.

Vudu on my x800 player was updated recently. It shows uhd features (HDR/Atmos) and rights but doesn't play in uhd. Maybe that'll come in another update. Don't really need it since the 900e's Vudu app can play uhd but it's nice to see.
 
That Naive Cube!! What Bumrush and kvetcha have said is spot-on: getting a decent 2-channel setup going will give you a large jump in quality, while trying to squeeze a multichannel system into that budget will be tough. In addition, you’ll be able to add to the 2-channel system as budget allows, while you’ll likely have to toss the all-in-one if you decide to go better, later on.
Thanks for the response. Itll just have to wait until next year
 
Oct 27, 2017
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The money is DEFINITELY worth it. But, with that said, going from TV speakers / sound bar to quality 2.1 was a bigger improvement than 2.1 to 5.1 or 5.1 to 5.1.2
Yea, I initially considered that soundbar cause $600 isn't too bad, but it just seems it wont be a huge upgrade over my $250 2016 Samsung soundbar. So it seems you have to go way beyond a soundbar for Atmos.

I'm planning on moving to a bigger place I actually own and not rent next year or the next and that's when I'll go all out with sound.

Might even get a bigger OLED too.
 
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Bumrush
Oct 25, 2017
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Yea, I initially considered that soundbar cause $600 isn't too bad, but it just seems it wont be a huge upgrade over my $250 2016 Samsung soundbar. So it seems you have to go way beyond a soundbar for Atmos.

I'm planning on moving to a bigger place I actually own and not rent next year or the next and that's when I'll go all out with sound.

Might even get a bigger OLED too.
In two years the 77" will probably be $3500-4000. Insane.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Is the YouTube app on the PS4 a tad bit brighter in gamma than other apps, games etc?

When I run this video through YouTube app (0% Black segment) via my TV instead of my PS4, I'm able to go one notch on brightness higher before I lose pure black, than I am with the PS4 version of the app.

Thing is, when I load a pure black screen in the PS4 Web browser, it matches the black level of the YT TV app. So now I'm confused as to whether different apps on the PS4 have different gamma balancing, or if it's just YT that is off (slightly too bright). Don't know whether to calibrate my brightness/gamma on the PS4 to the YT app or to the Web browser.

 
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Oct 25, 2017
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What's the best TV in the 40'' - 50'' range? This will be a secondary TV in my office area, mounted on the wall above with a tilt mount. I was thinking something with Roku TV or Firestick built in, so that I can just plug it in, connect it to wifi, and watch TV when I'm in my office.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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What's the best TV in the 40'' - 50'' range? This will be a secondary TV in my office area, mounted on the wall above with a tilt mount. I was thinking something with Roku TV or Firestick built in, so that I can just plug it in, connect it to wifi, and watch TV when I'm in my office.
The 49" Sony X900F no contest.
 
Feb 3, 2018
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Hey, I can actually help with this! I just bought one of these to use as a bedroom TV, they were only 400 bucks on black friday, it seemed like a no brainer. I have an OLED in the living room and just wanted something of passable quality for upstairs. This is a budget display, which explains the lack of ports. For 400 bucks, I'm happy with it. It has better PQ than I expected honestly. HDR is mostly useless on this set, but it can look OK, it lacks wide color gamut and significant brightness, but it's not awful, just nowhere even in the same dimension as my OLED. Input lag is great in game mode. The smart functions are garbagr, it's riddled with ads and a idiotic TV+ app that is like, streaming weird internet TV channels. You cant remove it, and it auto switches to this app if you turn off your console without turning off the TV. Kind of annoying.

As a bedroom TV? Great display, very affordable and the picture is nice.

As a main display? Hell no for me, but I've been spoiled by OLED and could probably never go back to a budget set.

Edit: Also forgot to mention, the black levels on this TV are great, minimal clouding and blooming too. For an edge-lit set with no local dimming, the contrast is superb imo. Also this TV does NOT have bluetooth, so if you rely on bluetooth headphones or speakers, you'll have to figure something else out.
I see! I think I'll keep it since according to rtatings it will be fine for what I need (Gaming & PC use), and it's not like I'm going to drive anything above 60fps, since I'm still rocking a GTX 970. Besides my poor ass won't be able to get a OLED anytime soon, so might as well get acquainted with 4K and what not with this for the time being. And your right about the limited ports. I have to remember my 32" was considered THE best of it's kind back then (Consumer Reports especially).

I'll.....just avoid seeing any OLED displays for the time being (only go to Best Buy to pick up my games; part of the problem) until this whole HDMI 2.1 stuff is figured out, and the next gen consoles and what they'd need are revealed.

Thanks for your input though, I could even find a dedicated thread on AVS forums even! (Then again, knowing that forum, 99% can afford nothing but the best....)
 
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Oct 26, 2017
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I understand that you are getting sick of having to constantly mess around with everything, i'm also tired of it. Smooth gradiation of Sony would be nice to have but there are other problems with their TV's.

True, even in game mode with the wide colour gamut you have an image quality that is still fantastic and better than almost all other TV's on the market. Let's not forget about that.

Enjoy your OLED mate!
Well I've made the decision after much anguish lol, and comparing gradient patterns, I'm sticking to PC Isf for SDR gaming and TV, because at the end of the day, I've been happy with SDR gaming, as most gradients are only slightly worse compared to game non PC, until bloody Ashen.....

It's the black to grey where PC Isf struggles using full RGB, I've obviously been lucky to not have seen much of that for SDR, so to throw the baby out with the bath water over 1 shitty scene is silly, and from a logistical POV I can just keep PC Isf on all the time, for TV and game, then switch it off for HDR stuff, plus 1080p gaming doesn't have any problems with banding anyway.
 
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Oct 29, 2017
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So, CES 19 is just a few weeks away.

What are you hoping to see?

I want to see some HDMI2.1 going on all over the brands, particularly I want good VRR support, lower and higher refresh-rates please.

I’d like to see some 2nd gen Quantum Dot stuff from Samsung , moving from QDEF to QDLCD as that will bring some significant improvements to brightness and create perfect viewing angles to their LCD range.

Or even better, some Quantum Dot OLED from someone, that would give a big boost to peak brightness and colour volume. Apple was rumoured to be looking at it for their displays
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So, CES 19 is just a few weeks away.

What are you hoping to see?

I want to see some HDMI2.1 going on all over the brands, particularly I want good VRR support, lower and higher refresh-rates please.
Yeah, mostly more VRR support. Also I'd like a built-in ATSC 3.0 tuner so when I get a TV it'll be future proofed in that regard. That one's not as big of a deal because I can always get an external tuner, but it'd save an input.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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So, CES 19 is just a few weeks away.

What are you hoping to see?

I want to see some HDMI2.1 going on all over the brands, particularly I want good VRR support, lower and higher refresh-rates please.

I’d like to see some 2nd gen Quantum Dot stuff from Samsung , moving from QDEF to QDLCD as that will bring some significant improvements to brightness and create perfect viewing angles to their LCD range.

Or even better, some Quantum Dot OLED from someone, that would give a big boost to peak brightness and colour volume. Apple was rumoured to be looking at it for their displays
Basically I would like to see Sony and LG copy most of the gaming features Samsung added to their sets last year - VRR, low-latency motion interpolation, and 1440p/120 support in particular.

If we can get that stuff, I don't think HDMI 2.1 is very important. There are no source devices available, and even once we have HDMI 2.1 GPUs / consoles, 4K/120 probably won't be worth the tradeoffs.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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Basically I would like to see Sony and LG copy most of the gaming features Samsung added to their sets last year - VRR, low-latency motion interpolation, and 1440p/120 support in particular.

If we can get that stuff, I don't think HDMI 2.1 is very important. There are no source devices available, and even once we have HDMI 2.1 GPUs / consoles, 4K/120 probably won't be worth the tradeoffs.
Mostly agree, but the implementations need to be better.

48hz and above at 4K isn’t super useful for a lot of folks.

Neither is VRR down to the 30s if you have to play in 1080/1440p