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jon bones

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anyone know if Samsung has an eARC TV already / if Sony has VRR already in reasonably priced LCDs?

i don't really need true HDMI 2.1, really could dive into a 2019 TV with just those if it exists
 

nikasun :D

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No, you have to remember that dynamic tone mapping gets this bright (even brighter with HDR module on) so basically you are allowing stock DTM levels for standard HDR10 with no shackles, and no clipping, it's a free upgrade.

The one thing I would say is drop your SDR OLED light by 5-10, that'll keep you as you were.

Keys to the magic ;)

In start menu on a Logitech Harmony
Code 0413
13: OLED
Module HDR ON
Is this only possible with the Harmony?
 
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Looking to get either the 55" LG B8 or the C8, exclusively for gaming. Is there a discernable difference big enough to justify the additional €350 for the C8 model over the B8 model? I know the C8 has a stronger processor, but I do not know how this translates into my experience using the TV.
 

ZmillA

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Looking to get either the 55" LG B8 or the C8, exclusively for gaming. Is there a discernable difference big enough to justify the additional €350 for the C8 model over the B8 model? I know the C8 has a stronger processor, but I do not know how this translates into my experience using the TV.

RTINGS says there's not much difference. I've got the B8 coming today
 

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Sorry if I'm late to the party here, but did any of you kind folks read about Samsung's 2019 range of QLED TV's? Sounds a bit like they only showed off the highest end model, just like they did with the Q9. Still, the results sound extremely impressive and it might be enough to sway me back towards QLED.

I'm baffled as to why Samsung was so secretive about showing this off:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnar...19-qled-4k-tv-first-impressions/#267ea4c210aa
 

Kerotan

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Sorry if I'm late to the party here, but did any of you kind folks read about Samsung's 2019 range of QLED TV's? Sounds a bit like they only showed off the highest end model, just like they did with the Q9. Still, the results sound extremely impressive and it might be enough to sway me back towards QLED.

I'm baffled as to why Samsung was so secretive about showing this off:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnar...19-qled-4k-tv-first-impressions/#267ea4c210aa
Agreed. Why are they not shouting from the rooftops and bragging about this. Very impressive set.
 

Fairxchange

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So I got my 75" X900F, and it's a terrific TV. Only problem is that it has some noticeable dirty screen effect throughout the screen, which is only obvious on specific scenes or games like The Witness but still quite distracting. I've never swapped out a TV before, and am worried I'll manage to get a worse panel in some other way. What should I do?
 

GalacticMouse

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So I got my 75" X900F, and it's a terrific TV. Only problem is that it has some noticeable dirty screen effect throughout the screen, which is only obvious on specific scenes or games like The Witness but still quite distracting. I've never swapped out a TV before, and am worried I'll manage to get a worse panel in some other way. What should I do?

Only you can decide how much it's bothering you, but personally, I'd swap it. DSE bothers me more than most other panel defects though. I can deal with some backlight bleed and light gradient issues but I notice DSE immediately and have swapped out panels in the past because of it.
 

Fairxchange

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Only you can decide how much it's bothering you, but personally, I'd swap it. DSE bothers me more than most other panel defects though. I can deal with some backlight bleed and light gradient issues but I notice DSE immediately and have swapped out panels in the past because of it.
I'm gonna try my luck for the swap. Hopefully they deliver the new one and pick up the old one, and let me test the new one before they leave.
 

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A while back when I bought my last projector, the company I bought it from offered to test for dead pixels etc for a fee before sending it. I'm surprised the more specialist retailers don't offer similar for TVs.
 

mreastman

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So I got my 75" X900F, and it's a terrific TV. Only problem is that it has some noticeable dirty screen effect throughout the screen, which is only obvious on specific scenes or games like The Witness but still quite distracting. I've never swapped out a TV before, and am worried I'll manage to get a worse panel in some other way. What should I do?

I was thinking about replacing my defective KS8000 with a 55" X900F, this is disheartening to hear.

Many other people with this issue?
 

Rex_DX

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Anyone have experience with long HDMI cords? Like 50+ feet? I see some on the market witch built in signal boosters but is that a gimmick or legit?

Specifically I'm looking for the best way to hook my PC to my big TV from another room.
 
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Anyone have experience with long HDMI cords? Like 50+ feet? I see some on the market witch built in signal boosters but is that a gimmick or legit?

Specifically I'm looking for the best way to hook my PC to my big TV from another room.
Yeah, I have run a 50' with no boost but was for 1080p. It's more difficult to run higher resolutions further though without some sort of powered cable to carry the signal.
 

Rex_DX

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Right which I get. Have you tried using the powered cables though? Do they work with higher resolutions?My PC is specced for 1440p play at 60hz but my tv is 4K. I'd be fine with with downscaling to 1080p if I had to. I don't suppose it's possible to get 1440p on a tv is it?
 

evilalien

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Anyone have experience with long HDMI cords? Like 50+ feet? I see some on the market witch built in signal boosters but is that a gimmick or legit?

Specifically I'm looking for the best way to hook my PC to my big TV from another room.

Long runs of HDMI can run into signal issues (red snow or drops), and repeaters can help with that. 50 feet is about the max length where they are not necessary though if you are pushing max cable bandwidth.
 
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Right which I get. Have you tried using the powered cables though? Do they work with higher resolutions?My PC is specced for 1440p play at 60hz but my tv is 4K. I'd be fine with with downscaling to 1080p if I had to. I don't suppose it's possible to get 1440p on a tv is it?
No I have not used a powered cable.

Yes alot of 4k TVs now accept 1440p sources and the tv upscales to 4k. I have run working 1440p signals to both my 4k sets before, Samsung lcd and lg OLED.
 

s1lver

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Hello guys! I have a bit of a problem with my TV which I'm hoping someone can help. The TV is a Sony KD-49X8005C (from 2016):

1) I've always found it strange, but the TV has a very noticeable motion blur on all games, some suffer a lot more than the others. For example, God of War, everytime I move the camera, even when just playing normally, the ghosting effect is very noticeable. I have "Game Mode" activated and no special features that I'm aware of are enabled;

2) The TV has a "MotionFlow" mode of some sorts, but I can't leave that on since it turns my picture abnormaly dark. It is supposed to increase the refresh rate, but either i'm missing something or is just not possible to use it decently with game mode;

I've googled my brains out about this but it seems that I can't find anything of worth.
 

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No I have not used a powered cable.

Yes alot of 4k TVs now accept 1440p sources and the tv upscales to 4k. I have run working 1440p signals to both my 4k sets before, Samsung lcd and lg OLED.

It really is a nice feature, and 1440p looks pretty good on a 4k (2160p) set. My GTX 1080 can't run most games at 4k 60, so the option to go 1440p is a nice stop gap between 1080p and 2160p.
 

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Sorry if I'm late to the party here, but did any of you kind folks read about Samsung's 2019 range of QLED TV's? Sounds a bit like they only showed off the highest end model, just like they did with the Q9. Still, the results sound extremely impressive and it might be enough to sway me back towards QLED.

I'm baffled as to why Samsung was so secretive about showing this off:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnar...19-qled-4k-tv-first-impressions/#267ea4c210aa
Because they want people to think that 8k is the big innovation in picture quality. I guarantee the engineering work that goes into making the FALD and viewing angles better costs more than 8k. 8k is far more profitable, so they market it more heavily. The most exciting thing I've read about the 2019 models is improved shadow detail described here:

Samsung has also gone to great lengths to improve dark detail, which it demonstrates with a switch to the final Harry Potter film. As Voldemort's army of black-clad baddies amass on the cliffs above Hogwarts, the 2019 QLED reveals detail we'd genuinely not previously seen and that the Q9FN, and rival OLED TVs supplied by Samsung as comparison, miss.
https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/samsung-2019-4k-qled

See David Katzmaier's Q9FN review describing the same scene:

Dim lighting: My favorite litmus for black level is still Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2, Chapter 10, where Voldemort's gang invades Hogwart's. It showed both the strengths and weaknesses of the Q9's home theater image with exceedingly dark content.

In its favor the Q9's letterbox bars and black areas were better -- darker and less washed-out -- than any of the other LCD sets in the lineup, and indeed any LCD I've ever tested. Only the LG OLED's blacks were darker, and the Q9 was really close to OLED's black perfection, and blooming was basically nonexistent.

The flipside was a lack of shadow detail ("crushing") in the darkest areas near black. The folds of Voldemort's robe and nuances in the black clothing of his supporters in the background (46:30) were more obscured on the Q9, for example. Overall both the Sony Z9F and the Vizio PQ handled this scene better despite their lighter black levels than the Q9, while as usual the OLED looked the best.
https://www.cnet.com/reviews/samsung-qn75q9fn-review/2/

This is huge. Samsung improved the black levels on 2019 QLEDs while improving shadow detail. On top of that you get the brighter highlights, and color volume the quantum dot filter affords. If you want a premium tv model in a larger screen size, Samsung 2019 tvs are going to be the best bang for your buck.
 
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jon bones

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Because they want people to think that 8k is the big innovation in picture quality. I guarantee the engineering work that goes into making the FALD and viewing angles better costs more than 8k. 8k is far more profitable, so they market it more heavily. The most exciting thing I've read about the 2019 models is improved shadow detail described here:


https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/samsung-2019-4k-qled

This is huge. If you want a premium model in a larger screen size, Samsung 2019 tvs are going to be the best bang for your buck.

i hope they make a 55 QF9N-level LCD model in America. kind of a bummer that it's Europe only.
 

Rex_DX

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It really is a nice feature, and 1440p looks pretty good on a 4k (2160p) set. My GTX 1080 can't run most games at 4k 60, so the option to go 1440p is a nice stop gap between 1080p and 2160p.

I'll have to try this. I'm in the same boat although 1080 Ti. Now I just need to figure out how to get the signal to the TV. I took some measurements and I'll need about 75 feet of cable if I want to hide the cord on the floor/baseplate of the walls. Probably going to need a cord with a signal booster I guess.

I don't suppose Steam Link is viable these days.
 

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Because they want people to think that 8k is the big innovation in picture quality. I guarantee the engineering work that goes into making the FALD and viewing angles better costs more than 8k. 8k is far more profitable, so they market it more heavily. The most exciting thing I've read about the 2019 models is improved shadow detail described here:


https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/samsung-2019-4k-qled

See David Katzmaier's Q9FN review describing the same scene:


https://www.cnet.com/reviews/samsung-qn75q9fn-review/2/

This is huge. Samsung improved the black levels on 2019 QLEDs while improving shadow detail. On top of that you get the brighter highlights, and color volume the quantum dot filter affords. If you want a premium tv model in a larger screen size, Samsung 2019 tvs are going to be the best bang for your buck.

Thanks for adding more detail from another preview! I missed that one and it honestly has me even more excited about this year's models. As long as the pricing is right, I'll be mighty torn between this and the C9.
 

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I'll have to try this. I'm in the same boat although 1080 Ti. Now I just need to figure out how to get the signal to the TV. I took some measurements and I'll need about 75 feet of cable if I want to hide the cord on the floor/baseplate of the walls. Probably going to need a cord with a signal booster I guess.

I don't suppose Steam Link is viable these days.

If you can hard wire the Steam Link it works great. With that being said, I use a Steam Link via WiFi 5ghz from my office pc upstairs to my living room tv downstairs, and it works pretty great, even for games like Rocket League. Although, I believe Steam Link sends 1080p to the TV regardless of what res the game is running at on the host PC. I could be mistaken though.
 

Rex_DX

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That's good to know. Hardwiring is our of the question unfortunately although I have WiFi that I'd describe as above average but not exceptional. Maybe if they run that sale for the $2 Steam Link again.
 

Eggiem

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LG B7 owner here. Which white balance settings can I change to make the whites a little bit less red?
 

Brucey

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Does color temperature have that much of an impact in games? I heard for the film industry warm 2 or something is industry standard, I'm using isf bright room for movies and shows and it looks great. Then I pop back to ps4 main menu and it looks dull and a tad yellow.

I have color temp for game mode set at 0 and it looks normal to me, while switching between W40 and C40 looked wrong on both ends. am I missing out on much by not going like warm 30-40 for games? Have an Lg c8 if that's a factor
 

SixelAlexiS

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It's probably the most interesting thing at this years ces. Another company has tried the idea before but couldn't get desirable results. It seems using the grey scale is what solved the problems. It's clever but also adds 25ms of image processing lag so unless the chip inside is good it might not be suitable for gaming.
25ms is the total lag for a possible game mode or its 25ms + ??ms... ?
 

ZmillA

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got my LG B8 setup today. Man people weren't kidding when they said HDR was a PITA to setup. Watched some 4k HDR food videos on youtube and those were easily the best looking things I have EVER seen on a screen BY FAR. a steak dropped on a grill and it was the most insane thing I've ever seen.
 

Hawk269

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A while back when I bought my last projector, the company I bought it from offered to test for dead pixels etc for a fee before sending it. I'm surprised the more specialist retailers don't offer similar for TVs.

I wish places would offer a service where they test for banding/dse
Vincent with more on the LG C9/E9:



Thanks for posting that! LG is really going to town to give calibrators and home calibrators the tools to really customize the sets. Seriously impressed.

By biggest challenge since I currently own a 75" Samsung is:


1) Do I spend the bucks and get the 77" C9?
2) Save some money and get the E9 which I actually love the physical look of it but can go I go back down to a 65 after having a 75?

Decisions, decisions...
 

FrankNitty

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I wish places would offer a service where they test for banding/dse


Thanks for posting that! LG is really going to town to give calibrators and home calibrators the tools to really customize the sets. Seriously impressed.

By biggest challenge since I currently own a 75" Samsung is:


1) Do I spend the bucks and get the 77" C9?
2) Save some money and get the E9 which I actually love the physical look of it but can go I go back down to a 65 after having a 75?

Decisions, decisions...
I would say go 77". Going back down in size is hard. The E series looks great on a stand wall mounted not so much with that extra bit of glass. At least imho on th 8 series.

Unless you need the sound bar no point really I assume if you can buy a 77 OLED you're not using TV speaker or at least I hope not lol
 

thuway

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The Hisense lcd is blowing my mind. I wonder how viewing angles would be.

The black levels sound effectively like OLED. A few generations of improvement on both the processing end and the gray scale - and we could see this become a budget king.
 

nikasun :D

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So can anyone help me activating the service menu on the LG C8 without a harmony? The guides I found speak of a menu button or OK button on the TV, but there is no such thing. I would really like to activate the "hdr upgrade" DOT was talking about.
 

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I wish places would offer a service where they test for banding/dse


Thanks for posting that! LG is really going to town to give calibrators and home calibrators the tools to really customize the sets. Seriously impressed.

By biggest challenge since I currently own a 75" Samsung is:


1) Do I spend the bucks and get the 77" C9?
2) Save some money and get the E9 which I actually love the physical look of it but can go I go back down to a 65 after having a 75?

Decisions, decisions...

I wouldn't go down in size.