TV Displays and Tech Thread |OT2| There Is No Perfect TV ™ (Read The OP)

CRIMSON-XIII

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I never noticed that, sounds like it's probably the logo luminance setting though. When it detects a static, bright image, it will dim. If your turn that off, you increase your risk of burn in, but I think it'll be brighter.
You may be correct, i noticed that when I click the LG menu for the tv. It opens the hdmi options etc and in the background the image goes back to bright white. I guess i probably do have that on. I have a 2017 and I thought this was a 2018+ feature for LG oleds. maybe i have it turned on somewhere in the settings.

Thanks for the suggestion. in any case, it doesnt interfere with gameplay, or scenes, it is just that one menu screen. The other games don't do that.
 

Yerffej

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I find it funny the position I'm in. I was about to pull the trigger on last year's 55 inch 4k TCL when a poster here stopped me a couple of weeks back. Telling me QLED was about to drop. I waited so long for a review (still not available), I started to question why I'd short myself on future-proofing with no HDMI 2.1, VRR, etc. Things the current line of TCL lacks. Then I convince myself the C9 is the way to go, but I'm not even sure of that one anymore. I know it's mostly a non-issue, but I do have reservations about burn in. So I find myself waiting until early next year, or whenever a new batch rolls around. Maybe TCL ups their game in the missing features department? Maybe I cave and get the C9 if there's some kind of deal over the holidays? Tune in next time!
 

Ramathevoice

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I find it funny the position I'm in. I was about to pull the trigger on last year's 55 inch 4k TCL when a poster here stopped me a couple of weeks back. Telling me QLED was about to drop. I waited so long for a review (still not available), I started to question why I'd short myself on future-proofing with no HDMI 2.1, VRR, etc. Things the current line of TCL lacks. Then I convince myself the C9 is the way to go, but I'm not even sure of that one anymore. I know it's mostly a non-issue, but I do have reservations about burn in. So I find myself waiting until early next year, or whenever a new batch rolls around. Maybe TCL ups their game in the missing features department? Maybe I cave and get the C9 if there's some kind of deal over the holidays? Tune in next time!
I've been beating around the bush on getting a new TV for a year now. Fuck it, I'm getting the C9.
 

Theef

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I need to buy a TV next week.
50-55 inch.
Mostly for games and movies.
Suggestions? Anything under 800$
 

Yerffej

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I need to buy a TV next week.
50-55 inch.
Mostly for games and movies.
Suggestions? Anything under 800$
This is what I almost went with. My brother has it and it has a very good picture. Roku built in works so damn smooth as well.
 

sangreal

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This is what I almost went with. My brother has it and it has a very good picture. Roku built in works so damn smooth as well.
I don't think anyone should buy this without at least waiting for reviews on the new model of the same set released in the last couple of weeks
 

Yerffej

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I don't think anyone should buy this without at least waiting for reviews on the new model of the same set released in the last couple of weeks
Agreed. I'll be curious how it fares. He does say he needs it next week, so I thought it might be a good fit. Who knows when these reviews are coming. Feels like it's taking forever for some reason.
 

Aswitch

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Anyone in here rolling with the Vizio P75F (2018) or P series in general? Curious as to how you have your picture settings. I found myself not really liking rtings recommended settings much. I have a generally dark room. Felt like my set needed more color than recommended in HDR. Is that fine? or am I missing the point of HDR by adding more color to the picture? Other than that pretty satisfied so far.
 

EvilBoris

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Anyone in here rolling with the Vizio P75F (2018) or P series in general? Curious as to how you have your picture settings. I found myself not really liking rtings recommended settings much. I have a generally dark room. Felt like my set needed more color than recommended in HDR. Is that fine? or am I missing the point of HDR by adding more color to the picture? Other than that pretty satisfied so far.
It shoudnt look any more colourful than when it’s not enabled, but what is often the case is that one mode is oversaturated and HDR keeps the overall brightness in a more calibrated like state, so it appears dimmer and less colourful again
 

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I have an oddly specific OLED TV gaming question.. regarding video game FFVIII Remastered(recently released on ps4).

I am on game mode for everything, and it obviously stays on when i boot up VIII. I get to the main menu and I see a perfect bright white background as FF games usually game.. The issue is, a second or two later, it gets more dim and almost perhaps turns tan colored?

I know already that this is not an issue of the screen not being able to show bright white, because it can after testing it with youtube blank background vids. After I hit continue to load up, the square soft logo appears and I see that the font/words are bright white as they should be. This is immediately after i click continue from that initial white background screen. I suppose I could change it from game mode to regular standard tv mode and it would brighten it up. But the issue is not with the overall brightness of games. I am fairly satisfied with this tvs game mode brightness. RDR2 after the patch, God of War, Horizon, Spiderman all looked amazing lighting wise. I never once thought it needed to be brighter. Same with the recent COD beta. FFVIII itself is great , it is just that initial screen lol .

so.. Has anyone attempted to play FFVIII on their OLED tv? Has anyone noticed this whatsoever on the initial white background/FF logo screen? (I have the 2017 B7A)
This is called ASBL - not to be confused with ABL, which is related to the maximum screen brightness.

You can try to disable it, but do so at your own risk.
 

Aswitch

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It shoudnt look any more colourful than when it’s not enabled, but what is often the case is that one mode is oversaturated and HDR keeps the overall brightness in a more calibrated like state, so it appears dimmer and less colourful again
Oh ok. I guess my main issue is that I don't have a good point of reference for HDR and what it should look like. I had the Samsung KU6300 before which wasn't capable of actual legit HDR, and moving to this set which was vetted to have pretty good HDR. I guess i'm expecting to be blown away and immediately notice the differences. I'll probably need to do some more tinkering to figure that out. Could cables possibly affect HDR quality by chance? The ones I have(ECHOGEAR) are rated for HDR and are transmitting the appropriate signals it seems so i'm assuming it is.
 

EvilBoris

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Oh ok. I guess my main issue is that I don't have a good point of reference for HDR and what it should look like. I had the Samsung KU6300 before which wasn't capable of actual legit HDR, and moving to this set which was vetted to have pretty good HDR. I guess i'm expecting to be blown away and immediately notice the differences. I'll probably need to do some more tinkering to figure that out. Could cables possibly affect HDR quality by chance? The ones I have(ECHOGEAR) are rated for HDR and are transmitting the appropriate signals it seems so i'm assuming it is.
You might just need to find the right content. What games machinesdo you have?
 

2Bee

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I'm thinking a lot of people just really like over-saturated colors and blown out brightness.

(this comment is not directed at anyone in particular)

I was at a friends place this past weenkend and was taken aback by them having their set on vivid mode or however it was called on that Samsung.
 

burgerdog

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My ATV is being really weird since updating to os13. Voices shift from the center speaker to all speakers in the middle of the same scene. There isn’t any camera changes or anything to cause that change. It’s super annoying. I wonder if it’s an atmos thing only.
 

Aswitch

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You might just need to find the right content. What games machinesdo you have?
That might be the culprit too. Pretty much have them all. Xbox one X and PS4 Pro and PC with GTX 1080Ti's (SLI). Checked the tv settings via xbox and PS4 and I get all the appropriate checks saying this tv can show HDR and Dolby vision etc. Lately been playing MHWI which isn't probably the best representation for HDR according to your videos on it. Also played Gears 5 as well but haven't been playing that in a while. I also checked out your videos with my set in HDR also for Gears and Monster Hunter. I have some of the big hitters like God of War and some of the others mentioned like Horizon zero dawn, but have yet to check those. I'll try those out and see how the HDR fares there then i'll know for sure. Thanks!
 

XandBosch

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What's up dudes.

I'll be looking to buy a TV this Black Friday, but I'm sort of unsure as to what I should be looking at. Let's say my budget is $2000 (Canadian) and I'm looking for a 65 inch TV. I'm hoping to get a TV that will be future-proof for the upcoming next-gen consoles, but everything I see that includes HDMI 2.1 and freesync (which I've read is what I should be looking for?) is sort of out of my price range. Should I even be worrying about this stuff?

I see a lot of praise for the Samsung QN line, and it's been on sale at Costco and elsewhere lately - is that one I should be looking at? Or should I be waiting for something with HDMI 2.1 support to become cheaper? That being said, I really want to get a TV soon - I'd rather not wait a year.

There's just so damn much to be aware of when shopping for a TV - but so much of that is also stuff I'd likely never notice anyway lol. Just looking for some help.

Thanks! :)

EDIT: This one https://www.costco.ca/Samsung-QN65Q60-65-in.-Smart-4K-QLED-HDR-TV.product.100489461.html
 
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EvilBoris

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That might be the culprit too. Pretty much have them all. Xbox one X and PS4 Pro and PC with GTX 1080Ti's (SLI). Checked the tv settings via xbox and PS4 and I get all the appropriate checks saying this tv can show HDR and Dolby vision etc. Lately been playing MHWI which isn't probably the best representation for HDR according to your videos on it. Also played Gears 5 as well but haven't been playing that in a while. I also checked out your videos with my set in HDR also for Gears and Monster Hunter. I have some of the big hitters like God of War and some of the others mentioned like Horizon zero dawn, but have yet to check those. I'll try those out and see how the HDR fares there then i'll know for sure. Thanks!
Ha ok, so the ones that you want to check where it is really hard to fail to see an improvement should be

Sea of Thieves
Crackdown 3
Gran Turismo is super impressive if you go into Scapes mode too.
 

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Just an update - glad I got the uber expensive geek squad warranty on my oled (b7), they are replacing the panel on my tv next week, which has the youtube symbol burnt in. Fun fact - the repair people came to the house, they said the fox news symbol is one of the worst culprits for burn in on oleds, glad I never watch it lol.
 

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Just an update - glad I got the uber expensive geek squad warranty on my oled (b7), they are replacing the panel on my tv next week, which has the youtube symbol burnt in. Fun fact - the repair people came to the house, they said the fox news symbol is one of the worst culprits for burn in on oleds, glad I never watch it lol.
Glad that worked out, haha.
 

holygeesus

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God I wish burn in wasn’t a thing. Would make make an Oled purchase a no brainer for me.
At least with an OLED burn-in is only a remote possibility. On an LCD dirty-screen effect will be there and unavoidable. Arguably worse in my opinion but people seem to accept one and worry incessantly about the other. It is bizarre.
 

Ramathevoice

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I found a 1400 euro deal on the 55C9. On the one hand, I wanted to have a little more safety money before getting it, but on the other hand if I wait and let this deal pass me by there's a very good chance the next opportunity I have will be at least 200€ more expensive...
 

Hasney

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I found a 1400 euro deal on the 55C9. On the one hand, I wanted to have a little more safety money before getting it, but on the other hand if I wait and let this deal pass me by there's a very good chance the next opportunity I have will be at least 200€ more expensive...
Is black Friday and cyber Monday a thing where you are, and will you have safety money by then?
 

Ramathevoice

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Is black Friday and cyber Monday a thing where you are, and will you have safety money by then?
Yes and yes, but for various reasons I'm not expecting to see 1400€ C9s on Black Friday.

(context: The deal is an online store based in Belgium, whereas I live in France. Same pricing rules and market forces don't necessarily apply, so sometimes prices in neighboring countries can be lower. There's very little chance even BF discounts in France will be able to match the current price on that Belgian store. The store is reputable, so no risk there.)
 
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Hasney

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Yes and yes, but for various reasons I'm not expecting to see 1400€ C9s on Black Friday.

(context: The deal is an online store based in Belgium, whereas I live in France. Same pricing rules and market forces don't necessarily apply, so sometimes prices in neighboring countries can be lower. There's very little chance even BF discounts in France will be able to match the current price on that Belgian store. The store is reputable, so no risk there.)
Ah, if you're coming from an existing mid range TV and want to go into the top end world, I'd personally pull the trigger and tighten your belt where you can to get that safety money asap if November would make you safe. My only regret with my C9 is that I wish I had this picture quality sooner.
 

Ramathevoice

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Ah, if you're coming from an existing mid range TV and want to go into the top end world, I'd personally pull the trigger and tighten your belt where you can to get that safety money asap if November would make you safe. My only regret with my C9 is that I wish I had this picture quality sooner.
I'm coming from a 48" 1080p Samsung H6400. Gonna be a pretty big difference!

E: fuck it, ordered the C9.
E2: oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck I just spent 1k+ on a TV oh god.

Once it gets here I'll probably post an update saying it was worth it ^^
 
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I'm coming from a 48" 1080p Samsung H6400. Gonna be a pretty big difference!

E: fuck it, ordered the C9.
E2: oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck I just spent 1k+ on a TV oh god.

Once it gets here I'll probably post an update saying it was worth it ^^
Damn 1400 for a C9 is a steal I got a C8 for 1000 just a month ago and it was a discount too!

I was also coming from a 200€tier 1080p TV, once the regret of making such an expensive spent goes... you're going to be blown away with the TV!
 

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dedge

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The thought of paying a similar amount is holding me back but I'm getting closer to acceptance lol.
 

jsnepo

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My Bravia Android TV doesn't have adjustments for backlight. Google says it's the brightness but nope. My screen is still too fucking bright that it hurts my eyes.
 

Wonderbrah

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God I wish burn in wasn’t a thing. Would make make an Oled purchase a no brainer for me.
I don't think I've read anyone who experienced burn in on the c8's or 9's. It's usually people with older sets like the c6-c7. If that's down to better burn-in protection methods built into the newer models or they're just not old enough yet, I don't know. I just know that I have had a c8 for almost a year now, and no burn-in.
 

Coolsambob

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Do we ever expect to get more than 4 HDMI inputs? I have 5 things plugged in to my TV and splitters are a pain or pricey for anything with HDR.
 

Yerffej

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At least with an OLED burn-in is only a remote possibility. On an LCD dirty-screen effect will be there and unavoidable. Arguably worse in my opinion but people seem to accept one and worry incessantly about the other. It is bizarre.
I guess I’ve been lucky with LCD and LEDs. I’ve had quite a few now over the last what, fifteen years between TVs and monitors and never had an issue with that. Although my Dad’s less than a year old Samsung LED has a big splotch on it now so I know it’s a thing. Sucks.
 

holygeesus

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I guess I’ve been lucky with LCD and LEDs. I’ve had quite a few now over the last what, fifteen years between TVs and monitors and never had an issue with that. Although my Dad’s less than a year old Samsung LED has a big splotch on it now so I know it’s a thing. Sucks.
The flip side is I've never seen one without some DSE, but then I watch a lot of football which is notoriously bad for showing it. The recent QLED sets were particularly afflicted, by all accounts. Once you see it you can't un-see it.
 

Yerffej

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The flip side is I've never seen one without some DSE, but then I watch a lot of football which is notoriously bad for showing it. The recent QLED sets were particularly afflicted, by all accounts. Once you see it you can't un-see it.
Yeah, I asked my dad how he can stand it and he said "I don't see it unless I watch certain sports". Sports (hockey and football) is what he mostly watches on the tv so...
 

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The flip side is I've never seen one without some DSE, but then I watch a lot of football which is notoriously bad for showing it. The recent QLED sets were particularly afflicted, by all accounts. Once you see it you can't un-see it.
No DSE on my Q9R. One of the cleanest LCDs I’ve ever seen. My old Sony X900A had it pretty bad though.

Don't OLEDs get vertical banding? Or is it not as noticeable as DSE because it’s on darker screens?
 

BDS

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I'm back to looking at TVs again, not sure if the jump to OLED is worth the price.