I have a clouding issue on my 4k tv.
Will it get worse over the time?
I'm relieved, Thanks for the clarification. I will try that outIt's very rare to get worse overtime, your best bet is to gently massage the spots with a soft cloth for a couple of minutes.
MAKE SURE YOUR TV IS CLOSED WHEN YOU DO THAT.
I'm relieved, Thanks for the clarification. I will try that out
Hype! Between this review and seeing one in person, I'm really damn tempted. The price is a bit high, but I'll be damned if I don't like the aesthetics and one connect box.
it's a shame it was nearly twice the price of my 65" for the same size - it looks damn good
Just like with the Q900R, Game Mode uses a slightly different local dimming algorithm which doesn't react as fast to changes in a scene and lingers longer. This can create visible blooming in some cases. We are not sure why this is the case. It is, however, less noticeable than on the Q900R.
- Reverse blooming" where the TV, in its effort to reduce blooming in the dark areas, dims the edges of the bright ones and this creates vignetting.
- Small areas are greatly dimmed by the TV.
- The TV crushes stars.
Right? I can dream of that set, but I can't justify spending that much money. Realistically, I'm looking at the 55" C9, or the 65" for either the X950g or the Q8. I'm not getting my TV till around August so I'm hoping the B9 comes in lower and doesn't cut too many features. I'd benefit greatly from the viewing angles of OLED.
This is why you don't trust those early reviews/impressions with comments like "OLED like" blacks. As suspected, the native contrast is poor in exchange for that wide angle tech. Its still the best of those wide angle TVs, but nowhere near what you get with an OLED in terms of dark room performance and pure picture quality. Even the Q9FN has better contrast and even that TV was not up to OLED standards in that regard (it always finished last behind every single OLED it measured against in the TV shootouts).
This would be an excellent TV choice if it cost less and supported Dolby Vision.
Even has some of the issues the Q900R has:
Thanks again for the useful link. You really helped me.Your welcome. Read more about clouding and potential solutions in the link below:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/black-uniformity-clouding-flashlighting
Vincent's review of the Q90R is up:
Rates it as the best LCD on the market, but not without flaws.
That's an interesting review. Contrast ratio does suffer some, not as bad as the Q900R with wide angle views, and nowhere near the Sony Z9F. What's the deal with the supported refresh rate? Supports 4K120 but only 48-60Hz in FreeSync mode?
loldallow_bg was 100% spot on when he said it's the same thing every year, "they have oled like blacks this year, for reals!"
This is why you don't trust those early reviews/impressions with comments like "OLED like" blacks. As suspected, the native contrast is poor in exchange for that wide angle tech. Its still the best of those wide angle TVs, but nowhere near what you get with an OLED in terms of dark room performance and pure picture quality. Even the Q9FN has better contrast and even that TV was not up to OLED standards in that regard (it always finished last behind every single OLED it measured against in the TV shootouts).
This would be an excellent TV choice if it cost less and supported Dolby Vision.
Even has some of the issues the Q900R has:
Color gamut and color volume are also not as good as the Q9FN.
Honestly if you wanted an LCD TV right now, I would save some money and get an X950G.
I have a question about screen size. Is 43" too small for a UHD tv? 49" is max i can go i think. Im sitting 1.8m (5.9ft) away from my current tv.
:plugs ears:
Lalalalalalalalalalalalalala!!!!!
I won't be convinced there is a better tv than the 950G I just bought!
(Deeply concerned I may have remorse when the A8G OLED drops in a few months)
:plugs ears:
Lalalalalalalalalalalalalala!!!!!
I won't be convinced there is a better tv than the 950G I just bought!
(Deeply concerned I may have remorse when the A8G OLED drops in a few months)
I have a question about screen size. Is 43" too small for a UHD tv? 49" is max i can go i think. Im sitting 1.8m (5.9ft) away from my current tv.
This is why you don't trust those early reviews/impressions with comments like "OLED like" blacks. As suspected, the native contrast is poor in exchange for that wide angle tech.
lol
I'm glad black levels have improved so much for LCDs over the years but getting tired of hearing that line.
We're not likely ever going to see "OLED like blacks" until mLED. Normal LCD isn't going to have the same blacks without some kind of haloing. Emissive displays (including CRT) always had one thing in common: the best black levels. For strictly gaming though, it's not really a problem, and if I was only using my TV for games, I would likely have really considered something else. I regularly game on an extremely cheap IPS monitor, and the black level is rarely an issue (as in, it's terrible, but it doesn't bother me) with full screen content, except the rare dark scenes where the IPS glow appears. But, despite my TV having a much better picture, I don't believe I even spend 20% of my time playing games that would be a good fit with a large, 4K set, and I definitely won't play 1080p games on it.
Yeah, but isn't that because the early reviews and impressions are based on what the TV actually looks like when you are watching real content? Whereas the native contrast measurements come from going into the service menu and disabling local dimming, which is one of the main features of the TV. It's kind of like removing the heatsink from your CPU and then complaining that it is running at a lower clock speed.
I agree with the TV being great for people that only use the TV for video games and price is not a problem for them. Personally if I had to pick an LCD, I would still pick a X950G over it and use the extra $1000+ saved to get a good sound system.
Rtings, Vincent and any respectable reviewer also use regular content to test the TV. And they also measure the contrast with local dimming on, which again, is much lower than a Q9FN from last year. The same Q9FN that also lost all the shootouts against every single OLED it was compared to by experts last year.
And all TVs get the same contrast measurements from Rtings so I don't get that point. We can get direct comparisons under the same tests with similar TVs like the Q9FN and see how it measures up.
Not to nitpick, but it actually won best gaming TV in Vincent's shootout. The OLEDs did better in the other categories, but we are here in the gaming section of a gaming website.
My point was that it seems silly to focus on a metric that requires you to intentionally disable one of the TV's main features. Like if you ran a burn-in test, but disabled compensation cycles and pixel shift on OLEDs because LCDs don't have those features.
maybe i should go for the 55" NU8000 instead. My tv stand is only 80cm long. Oh boy its going to be tight lolI'm sitting 1.6-1.7m away from a 49 inch UHD TV and it's nice, good size for that distance. But sometimes I want an even bigger screen. I would always get the biggest TV that you can afford, or you will probably regret it later.
Maybe you're talking about macroblocking, which is noticeably worse while streaming, but these OLEDS still have near black issues regardless of the content. It's been said each year too that they improved in that area somewhat, but I'm really skeptical that it has been fixed enough to matter in scenes like that.
Finally I'm going to send back my 55Q90R and go the LG C9 road.
I gave it a lot of thought, but what finally made me change is this reasoning : I won't see that my OLED is less bright, I won't see that it has more cables going through the wall, but I'll see that credits and subtitles don't have any blooming.
Be aware that I am far for being a professional display reviewer. If I could go back to the days where I didn't know what were blooming, DSE, local dimming, etc, I'd probably be MORE than happy with this set.
I should get the LG C9 next week, I'll get back to you once it is set up.
In terms of brightness, the difference will be in those scenes where large portions of the screen are supposed to be super bright (think like a sunny day at the beach), those scenes will not be as bright on an OLED compared to a high nit LCD like the Q90R. OLED really shines when you have dark or mixed luminance scenes with some bright features, those highlights will pop like crazy thanks to the OLED contrast.
Do keep us posted on your impressions of the C9.
If you want significant improvements in near black performance you need to buy a Sony or Panasonic OLED as LG continue to offer less bit-depth allocation to black quantisation than their rivals.
Sorry for being a bother but when comparing tv's on Rtings to see which has a higher score, do you know what category covers near black / black crush? Is it white balance DE, gradient? I'm having a hard time understanding some of the terminology on their site.If you want significant improvements in near black performance you need to buy a Sony or Panasonic OLED as LG continue to offer less bit-depth allocation to black quantisation than their rivals.
Has Sony pulled that far ahead now with their OLED screens and worth the $1000 premium? Or has LG dropped the ball that much? I've been lurking here and there in the thread, and I've noticed that the C9 seems to be half baked and devoid of most of the features that were promised, at least for now.
I want to know this too. I've been dead set on a 77 C9 for a while now, but if Sony (which apparently had the best OLED last year) repeats their performance this year, I don't know what to do.Has Sony pulled that far ahead now with their OLED screens and worth the $1000 premium? Or has LG dropped the ball that much? I've been lurking here and there in the thread, and I've noticed that the C9 seems to be half baked and devoid of most of the features that were promised, at least for now.
What is C9 missing? Only thing is the multi option BFI, everything else is there. And supposedly per an LG rep they may be adding that back after fixing bugs.
Watch Spider-Man first and then Alien immediately after for the maximum contrast in tone and emotional effect for massive damage!
I only have time for Alien tonight due to Friday Night Fights™
Every Friday late night is for a kung fu film and junk food
Has Sony pulled that far ahead now with their OLED screens and worth the $1000 premium? Or has LG dropped the ball that much? I've been lurking here and there in the thread, and I've noticed that the C9 seems to be half baked and devoid of most of the features that were promised, at least for now.
Sorry for being a bother but when comparing tv's on Rtings to see which has a higher score, do you know what category covers near black / black crush? Is it white balance DE, gradient? I'm having a hard time understanding some of the terminology on their site.
I only have time for Alien tonight due to Friday Night Fights™
Every Friday late night is for a kung fu film and junk food
Thanks holygeesus i'll make sure to watch Vincent's review when it comes up. That's weird that rtings don't post about black crush, you'd think that'd be an important part of their review. Oh well as long as somebody is out there saying which TVs are doing it right and wrong is all that matters I guess.