Tweet at PlayStation using #PScrossplay and #FreeThePlayers

Sleve McDichael · Jun 13, 2018

I know we have a few different topics talking about the cross-play mess going on right now, but I thought I'd start this topic to try and get as many people to tweet using #PScrossplay and #FreeThePlayers
Make sure you include @ShawnLayden @yosp @PlayStation and anyone else from SIE in your tweets.

Here's a copy/paste tweet if you want to use that instead. Anyone else we should include?

Hey @PlayStation, your stance on cross-play is both outdated and anti-consumer.
If you really are still #4ThePlayers you will allow #PScrossplay #FreeThePlayers
@ShawnLayden @yosp @aqizil @philrosenberg

Lyrick · Jun 13, 2018

why not #FreeThePlayers ?

xxracerxx · Jun 13, 2018

Lyrick said:
why not #FreeThePlayers ?

#Whynotboth?

TheZynster · Jun 13, 2018

Already copied, will continue to do so using #FreeThePlayers as well

Nightengale · Jun 13, 2018

For me, my view on the matter is that we've got to choose our battles wisely.

The most immediate and damaging issue against Sony-Fortnite right now isn't cross-play, it's cross-progression.

And cross-progression is (in theory) a far easier concession for Sony to accept than cross-play - because literally Sony loses almost nothing by allowing cross-progression whereas cross-play does actually have potential business impact. ( not that it matters to us, but we need to be strategic )

I would emphasis on making the language clear that firstly it's cross-progression that we want. Sure, we want cross-play too, but I think winning the immediate battle on cross-progression while the iron is hot is more important - there's always the risk that the anger subsides after a week and Sony goes back to not caring.

CountAntonio · Jun 13, 2018

Done.

Son Lamar · Jun 13, 2018

I wish you all the best of luck with this, hope it works out

Jawbreaker · Jun 13, 2018

Nightengale said:
For me, my view on the matter is that we've got to choose our battles wisely.

The most immediate and damaging issue against Sony-Fortnite right now isn't cross-play, it's cross-progression.

And cross-progression is (in theory) a far easier concession for Sony to accept than cross-play - because literally Sony loses almost nothing by allowing cross-progression whereas cross-play does actually have potential business impact. ( not that it matters to us, but we need to be strategic )

I would emphasis on making the language clear that firstly it's cross-progression that we want. Sure, we want cross-play too, but I think winning the immediate battle on cross-progression while the iron is hot is more important - there's always the risk that the anger subsides after a week and Sony goes back to not caring.

This.

TheZynster · Jun 13, 2018

Nightengale said:
For me, my view on the matter is that we've got to choose our battles wisely.

The most immediate and damaging issue against Sony-Fortnite right now isn't cross-play, it's cross-progression.

And cross-progression is (in theory) a far easier concession for Sony to accept than cross-play - because literally Sony loses almost nothing by allowing cross-progression whereas cross-play does actually have potential business impact. ( not that it matters to us, but we need to be strategic )

I would emphasis on making the language clear that firstly it's cross-progression that we want. Sure, we want cross-play too, but I think winning the immediate battle on cross-progression while the iron is hot is more important - there's always the risk that the anger subsides after a week and Sony goes back to not caring.

Than #FreeThePlayers

Would actually be a better tag

Nightengale · Jun 13, 2018

TheZynster said:
Than #FreeThePlayers

Would actually be a better tag

Yeah

I would propose #FreeThePlayers and #cross-progression

Cross-progression is more unwieldy than cross-play, but you can put both in the tweet, I think?

noyram23 · Jun 13, 2018

I'll finally use my twitter, let's make some noise and changes guys.

N.Domixis · Jun 13, 2018

#XProGress
Or
#FtheGamers
Or to include both Xbox and Nintendo maybe
#Fxbox&nintendo
#Xgression
#XPolination
Has to be something catchy.

Joule · Jun 13, 2018

while the twitter warriors are at it might as well tweet #changePSNID

SmarmySmurf · Jun 13, 2018

Cross play doesn't hurt Sony in the least, and cross progression would be solved by the implementation of cross play. There's no reason to half ass this (or excuse Sony).

Kerozinn · Jun 13, 2018

hm no i dont care enough about crossplay, and neither does sony

Aters · Jun 13, 2018

#4thechildren

kubev · Jun 13, 2018

Joule said:
while the twitter warriors are at it might as well tweet #changePSNID

Yeah, actually, I'm surprised that they still haven't announced this.

jbug617 · Jun 13, 2018

I think the hashtag thing died right after the consoles launched. I doubt Sony cares or most of their customers.

Kasey · Jun 13, 2018

Kerozinn said:
hm no i dont care enough about crossplay, and neither does sony

Thanks for the update.

Animal Liberation Ⓥ · Jun 13, 2018

Nightengale said:
For me, my view on the matter is that we've got to choose our battles wisely.

The most immediate and damaging issue against Sony-Fortnite right now isn't cross-play, it's cross-progression.

And cross-progression is (in theory) a far easier concession for Sony to accept than cross-play - because literally Sony loses almost nothing by allowing cross-progression whereas cross-play does actually have potential business impact. ( not that it matters to us, but we need to be strategic )

I would emphasis on making the language clear that firstly it's cross-progression that we want. Sure, we want cross-play too, but I think winning the immediate battle on cross-progression while the iron is hot is more important - there's always the risk that the anger subsides after a week and Sony goes back to not caring.

Agreed.

Keym · Jun 13, 2018

#3ThePlayers

Deleted member 887 · Jun 13, 2018

I mean you guys can put all those hashtags in one tweet.

WhiteRabbitEXE · Jun 13, 2018

N.Domixis said:
#XProGress
Or
#FtheGamers
Or to include both Xbox and Nintendo maybe
#Fxbox&nintendo
#Xgression
#XPolination
Has to be something catchy.

My vote is #poopystation

smuguire · Jun 13, 2018

#Not4ThePlayers

Sammy Samusu · Jun 13, 2018

Now that Vesperia is free, it's time to free Fortnite.

I wanna use my account and play with my cousins. Stop getting in the way Sony.

Deleted member 887 · Jun 13, 2018

I added #CrossProgression to the original tweet. Feel free to retweet mine and copy and paste for your own tweets.

fiendcode · Jun 13, 2018

Nightengale said:
For me, my view on the matter is that we've got to choose our battles wisely.

The most immediate and damaging issue against Sony-Fortnite right now isn't cross-play, it's cross-progression.

And cross-progression is (in theory) a far easier concession for Sony to accept than cross-play - because literally Sony loses almost nothing by allowing cross-progression whereas cross-play does actually have potential business impact. ( not that it matters to us, but we need to be strategic )

I would emphasis on making the language clear that firstly it's cross-progression that we want. Sure, we want cross-play too, but I think winning the immediate battle on cross-progression while the iron is hot is more important - there's always the risk that the anger subsides after a week and Sony goes back to not caring.

Crossplay is likely easier actually since it doesn't involve payments. For example Sony allows crossplay for Dragon Quest X; you can play with PC, Wii U and Switch owners. They don't allow crossprogession though, your user account and subscription is PS4 only and not transferable to PC, Wii U or Switch.

Nightengale · Jun 13, 2018

Another advise is that we avoid cc-ing non-senior Sony executives. A lot of these people are just doing their daily jobs, and while they have the avenue to directly reach out to the execs in-charge, we'd also end up making it seem like we're angry at them - it'd be more focused if we just keep it to the senior leaders.

@PlayStation - Direct Social Media Account
@ShawnLayden - Shawn Layden, Chairman of WWS
@yosp - Shu Yoshida, President of WWS
@aqizil - Asad Qizilbash, Vice President of Marketing
@philrosenberg - Phil Rosenberg, Senior Vice President - Head of Global Publishing/Dev Relations

Among others.

jbug617 said:
I think the hashtag thing died right after the consoles launched. I doubt Sony cares or most of their customers.

It's better than doing nothing.

Sleve McDichael · Jun 13, 2018

Edited OP to include #FreeThePlayers

Deleted member 3190 · Jun 13, 2018

#no✖noplay

Edit:. Someone should also come up with a PSA that can be spread around social media warning people not to play fortnite on PS4 if they may want to play on other consoles in the future.

Juan29.Zapata · Jun 13, 2018

Gonna do it! Small beginnings.

no1 · Jun 13, 2018

This needs to happen. Sony needs to understand you can't just disregard all of your userbase like this.

Saint-14 · Jun 13, 2018

Joule said:
while the twitter warriors are at it might as well tweet #changePSNID

This should be happening this year, that's what Shawn hinted at last year at least.

noyram23 · Jun 13, 2018

Already did mine, forgive me I don't know how to use twitter so is this correct lol

Deleted member 11093 · Jun 13, 2018

jbug617 said:
I think the hashtag thing died right after the consoles launched. I doubt Sony cares or most of their customers.

Arabs spammed the ever living shit out of Sony/Playstation accounts and their representatives for over a year just to add Arabic.

It worked, despite their lies that it was a technical impossibility.

catvonpee · Jun 13, 2018

I tweeted it twice. Also once with #changePSNID

Deleted member 887 · Jun 13, 2018

I truly hope this thread garners as much attention as the thread that seemingly have people dogpiling on this. This thread at least wants to take action.

fluffydelusions · Jun 13, 2018

Thanks OP for setting this up. Maybe get this on reddit too for maximum exposure?

Deleted member 887 · Jun 13, 2018

OP at the #E32018 and #E3 hastags as well. hopefully gets more eyes on it.

Echo · Jun 13, 2018

As if Sony cares lol.

How many people would actually drop out of the ecosystem or stop paying for plus over this?

Edit: Clarified here: https://www.resetera.com/posts/9217587/

Deleted member 887 · Jun 13, 2018

Echo said:
As if Sony cares lol.

How many people would actually drop out of the ecosystem or stop paying for plus over this?

What does this comment help?

Of course no one is truly going to sell their PS4 and it's collection. But at least some are trying to call attention to this.

Nintendo · Jun 13, 2018

Echo said:
As if Sony cares lol.

How many people would actually drop out of the ecosystem or stop paying for plus over this?

The question is how many people are buying PS4's and paying for plus because they have to do that to play with their friends?

Cuburger · Jun 13, 2018

Nightengale said:
For me, my view on the matter is that we've got to choose our battles wisely.

The most immediate and damaging issue against Sony-Fortnite right now isn't cross-play, it's cross-progression.

And cross-progression is (in theory) a far easier concession for Sony to accept than cross-play - because literally Sony loses almost nothing by allowing cross-progression whereas cross-play does actually have potential business impact. ( not that it matters to us, but we need to be strategic )

I would emphasis on making the language clear that firstly it's cross-progression that we want. Sure, we want cross-play too, but I think winning the immediate battle on cross-progression while the iron is hot is more important - there's always the risk that the anger subsides after a week and Sony goes back to not caring.

I disagree.

Crossplay is the easier thing to get people rallied behind and easier to understand. Sony will be able to do the research themselves and find the easy concession to make but trying to convince people of a nuanced and less sexy (and more confusing) point to rally behind is taking the teeth out of a movement like this.

Besides, it's poor negotiating tactics to concede automatically from the gate. Demand more and then once people made their point and Sony concedes on cross-progression, then at least the people got that one thing.

TL;DR In other words, it must be all about Cross-play or nothing. Sony can figure out the details and make the small concessions. Dividing the gamers into nuance is the fastest way to make this fizzle out into nothing with nothing to show for it.

Sleve McDichael · Jun 13, 2018

Echo said:
As if Sony cares lol.

How many people would actually drop out of the ecosystem or stop paying for plus over this?

In the immediate future, probably not enough to affect their bottom line in any significant way, but it's definitely a bad look for them right now. They'll need to fix it soon or they'll get left behind.

Yautja_Warrior · Jun 13, 2018

I've done my tweet, this is one area Sony should get with the times. They are winning by a mile, this would have zero negative impact on them at this point and make the gaming community all the better on all platforms.

I'm not even much of a multiplayer gamer really but it's cool to see Xbox and Switch play together and Sony does it with PC, so I don't see the big deal about them allowing play with Xbox and Switch too.

Deleted member 224 · Jun 13, 2018

Echo said:
As if Sony cares lol.

How many people would actually drop out of the ecosystem or stop paying for plus over this?

This gen? None

Next gen? When combined with stuff like backwards compatability and gamepass/EA access like services? Quite a few

nib95 · Jun 13, 2018

Nightengale said:
For me, my view on the matter is that we've got to choose our battles wisely.

The most immediate and damaging issue against Sony-Fortnite right now isn't cross-play, it's cross-progression.

And cross-progression is (in theory) a far easier concession for Sony to accept than cross-play - because literally Sony loses almost nothing by allowing cross-progression whereas cross-play does actually have potential business impact. ( not that it matters to us, but we need to be strategic )

I would emphasis on making the language clear that firstly it's cross-progression that we want. Sure, we want cross-play too, but I think winning the immediate battle on cross-progression while the iron is hot is more important - there's always the risk that the anger subsides after a week and Sony goes back to not caring.

Good post, and I agree wholeheartedly.

TheGhost · Jun 13, 2018

I mean....they been getting slaughtered on Twitter over the last 24 hours. Every video game site is talking about it, it's a PR nightmare at this point.

They are probably prepping a response that has to be signed off on up the chain of command.

alr1ght · Jun 13, 2018

FYI, nobody uses 4ThePlayers except for some countries in Europe.

TimeFire · Jun 13, 2018

Done. I hope this catches on.

Tweet at PlayStation using #PScrossplay and #FreeThePlayers

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