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Armadilo

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Oct 27, 2017
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A month ago, Twitch responded to the rise in popularity of hot tub streams by creating a new category for Pools, Hot Tubs, and Beaches. Since then, another trend has become a hit on Twitch: streamers simulating the sound of earlicking with ASMR microphones while wearing yoga pants. This oddly specific trend is all over Twitch's ASMR channel, and two of the streamers who were dominating it, Kaitlyn "Amouranth" Siragusa and Jenelle "Indiefoxx" Dagres, have been banned.

Amouranth was at the centre of the hot-tub streaming controversy when her streams were demonetized by Twitch and deemed "not advertiser friendly," though they were within Twitch's content guidelines. Twitch subsequently backpedaled when it created the dedicated channel for Pools, Hot Tubs, and Beaches, saying that, "being found to be sexy by others is not against our rules, and Twitch will not take enforcement action against women, or anyone on our service, for their perceived attractiveness."

Apparently something about the streams in which Amouranth and Indiefoxx licked ASMR microphones while wearing tight leggings was against those rules, and both were banned for an unspecified amount of time. Amouranth tweetedthat the ban has been good for her OnlyFans, with "587 new subs on OF since the ban mere hour or two ago".

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- These streams of the twitch ear licking ASMR were some of the most cringe shit things I have ever seen to put it in simple words, so cringe that it's embarrassing that it ever existed.

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Ashhong

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Oct 26, 2017
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All of those subs can now just take their 5$ to their OnlyFans. What rule did they break though?
 

Lump

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Oct 25, 2017
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If OF subscribers are the goal, then clearly it's to the popular streamer's advantage to push the envelope just enough to catch a short ban to then boost those OF subs as a result.
 

Armoredgoomba

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Jun 17, 2018
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I would say this falls into the same category as

" "being found to be sexy by others is not against our rules, and Twitch will not take enforcement action against women, or anyone on our service, for their perceived attractiveness."

So honestly I would say Twitch had no right to carry out this ban as it is fully within TOS. But Twitch isn't known for being consistent.

Maybe they can say it's because they had links to their onlyfans in the stream title? But I doubt that's a new addition.
 

sangreal

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Oct 25, 2017
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If Twitch doesn't want to become a site it's pretty easy to just not do that, but instead they do this mixed messaging where 1 day its cool the next its not. Then they come back and say actually it is cool just do it over here. The whole thing is a mess

We already have a thread



www.resetera.com

RIP hot tub streams; ASMR ear licking in 'tiktok leggings' is the new Twitch meta

I think you're not understanding why this is so popular, and why it is so good for Twitch in terms of revenue to keep it "mainstream".

that thread is about these streams becoming popular

this thread is about them subsequently being banned
 

Sandfox

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Oct 25, 2017
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All of those subs can now just take their 5$ to their OnlyFans. What rule did they break though?
From my understanding they were aiming the cameras at their butts(hence the yoga pants part of it) while licking their mics, which is against Twitch ToS. You also had Indiefoxx doing fart asmr for hitting donation/sub goals.

Twitch bans don't mean anything if you are a big streamer though. Amouranth has already been banned like four times this year alone and they are both making jokes this whole thing.
 

Zips

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Oct 25, 2017
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Lol.

They get a weekend off with a slap on the wrist for the umpteenth time.

Like, this is nothing to them. It's a vacation.



Hell, they're even doing better financially now than if they weren't banned, at least in the case of Amouranth.



They don't care. Twitch doesn't care. They'll find something new to move on to that pushes whatever Twitch rules and Twitch will respond with another short vacation (but only after Twitch themselves pulled in a good chunk of change too) since they're too big to actually punish for long. Repeat forever.
 

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Might as well change headline to "Twitch enforces slap on the wrist to streamer(s) that made them boatloads of money".
 

Ketch

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Oct 25, 2017
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they should just make a "weird shit" category and put all the new weird shit that keeps happening in there.
 

Komo

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I really don't get how they've been banned well over twitches supposed 3 strike rule and they continue to skirt around the rules.
 

SnakeXs

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Oct 28, 2017
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I thought they got banned for promoting their OF/sexual content, not the "envelope pushing" Twitch content itself.
 
Jul 26, 2018
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I don't know why this is getting so many attention. This is literally just a have weekend off for them and they will be back within a few days or if not right on Monday lolz. Unless they are permaban which is huge. But if not, wtf.
 

Lump

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I really don't get how they've been banned well over twitches supposed 3 strike rule and they continue to skirt around the rules.

Oh, everyone knows why.

Twitch is the most inconsistent platform out there when it comes to banning top performers versus banning smaller streamers.
 

Zookfoodle

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Oct 25, 2017
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I really don't get how they've been banned well over twitches supposed 3 strike rule and they continue to skirt around the rules.
Because Twitch, like Youtube, continues to not care about people who earn them money unless they continually do terrible shit (in the case of DrDisrespect)
It's how its been and how it always will be
 

Zips

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Oct 25, 2017
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I really don't get how they've been banned well over twitches supposed 3 strike rule and they continue to skirt around the rules.
Because Twitch has never and will never actually enforce their rules consistently. If you're a big streamer, you can get away with a lot.
 

JaseC64

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Oct 25, 2017
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Justin.TV needs a comeback.

Also that social experiment where there were cameras in a bunch of dormitories and people could watch strangers bang each other if they just switched to a random screen.

Feels like Twitch is heading to a weird place.
 

DGenerator

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Oct 26, 2017
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I would say this falls into the same category as

" "being found to be sexy by others is not against our rules, and Twitch will not take enforcement action against women, or anyone on our service, for their perceived attractiveness."

So honestly I would say Twitch had no right to carry out this ban as it is fully within TOS.

Twitch TOS also has this in it:

Content that is considered to be sexually suggestive includes, but is not limited to:

  • Content or camera focus on breasts, buttocks, or pelvic region, including poses that deliberately highlight these elements

Like in the end, attractive men and women will always permeate and rise to the top of most visually-focused fields, but Amouranth, Indiefoxx and others were posing like this:

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Along with Indiefoxx doing fart fetish stuff for donation goals and ExoHydraX grinding on the pillows in simulated over-the-clothes sex, you can begin to see why they were in violation of the TOS. If the belief of the author is that women on Twitch shouldn't be punished for accentuating their bodies (while clothed) in sexually appealing ways in a medium that empowers creators to express themselves that counteracts a Hollywood-industry-driven exploitation of women's bodies, that would be an awesome, amazing, pertinent take.

However, to pretend there is nothing in the TOS that could punish them, make no mention that they were banned for these poses instead of "being found to be sexy by others is not against our rules, and Twitch will not take enforcement action against women, or anyone on our service, for their perceived attractiveness," and that if their bans "actually makes sense to you, consider going outside and maybe touching some grass," is incredibly condescending, uninformative, and almost deliberately misrepresentative of the issue.

Just like it was when Amouranth et al did ASMR years ago, the imperative reason they're doing it now is because the new Hot Tubs, Beaches and Pools category didn't have the built-in viewership and followers of the ASMR channel.

I'm of the mind that attention = power and just don't bother with it if you're truly offended (most reasonable people understand its US-centric puritanism and generalized, global misogyny from the majority male teen demographic that's emboldening the pushback), but the more that outlets pretend that they were banned for being attractive women and not for constantly bending (or outright violating) the terms of service, the less informative the audience can be to the situation at large.

What was completely untoward, I'd argue, was when Amouranth was ad-demonitized weeks ago by Twitch without warning, as staff removed the ability to run ad blocks or receive money from them, without telling her or informing her ahead of time what was wrong and why she was being punished. Twitch's enforcement of rules and guidelines, as well as communication in this regard, is among the company's biggest weaknesses, and deserves more recognition in stories covering this trend.
 

HStallion

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm just confused now. I'm expecting the next trend to just be a jumble of words. "Twitch bans streamers for blowing on potted plants while dressed as the founding fathers."
 

Chopchop

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sheer weirdness aside, I'm honestly pretty impressed people like Amouranth keep finding new ways to do internet sexy things to get fan attention and donations. It's a hustle and she's good at it.

It's messed up that she's getting banned for it though. Twitch continues to want to have their cake and eat it too, and this stupid cat and mouse shit will continue until they make a solid decision on sexy content. Either make a spinoff site/section for this stuff that's not just the super specific hot tub channel, or ban it from your platform entirely if you don't want sexy content associated with your site.
 
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Arex

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't see what's cringe about what they're doing. If you don't like it, you don't need to watch it.

If Twitch don't want them to show their body then just outright ban it entirely. Don't be half assed about it.
 

T002 Tyrant

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Nov 8, 2018
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If people want to enjoy getting their ears licked by a lady in yoga pants, let them. Power to the women making money from it. Twitch just took that power away.
 

Exellus

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Oct 30, 2017
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I wish they would just modify their terms of agreement and be done with it once and for all.

I believe it is against current terms to advertise your Only Fans account on Twitch. That probably has more to do with these recent bans than anything else.

But I wish they updated their wording to simply state:

"Twitch reserves the right to ban any streamer for any reason at any time, or for no reason at all. Etc. etc."

Almost any workplace or platform out there has such terms if you read the fine print. Basically if you want to use their platform you give them unilateral permission to control it however they want and you can't sue them for doing so. They don't own any "entertainer" anything.

It's the same for any business or workplace.

I don't give a damn that Twitch isn't "just gaming" anymore. That's whatever. But the sexually suggestive shit needs to go. Just go join a porn streaming site and GTFO. They're trying to game the system and making big bucks while Twitch is being slow to react.
 

bloodyroarx

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Oct 27, 2017
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I posted this in the other thread, there is a viewpoint from a woman also on twitch. And yet you can see she has to choose her words carefully before shes called out for hating women. There is nothing wrong with what these people are doing but chaturbate is right there and specializes in that content. Twitch isnt the place for this content.

 

Rendering...

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Oct 30, 2017
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I can't believe Twitch finally defeated simping.

I'm just confused now. I'm expecting the next trend to just be a jumble of words. "Twitch bans streamers for blowing on potted plants while dressed as the founding fathers."
Who are you and how did you get early access to my subscribers-only prerecorded promo event?
 

Truno

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They're gonna be back with some other type of content that treads the line of Twitch's TOS and they'll make headlines again; ensuring financial success and a slap on the wrist from Twitch. It's a cycle
 

ShinyCoin

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Why is this even a thing or why do people even bother watching this stuff? You can just go to a porn site, if you are that horny
 

CountAntonio

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like Twitch really needs to decide exactly what it is, at this point.
How do you do it? Amouranth knows how to skirt the TOS and has been pushing the boundaries for years. When Twitch tried to moderate clothing all hell broke lose and rightfully so because its stupid to ban sports bras and yoga pants. same with bathing suits. They allowed them within the right context so some streamers threw hot tubs in their room so they can wear bathing suits for every stream.

So the question is how do you ban these streamers while not encroaching the rights of women who you know go to the beach or have a workout stream? It's just not an easy thing and streamers like amarounth love staying in that gray area.
 

bloodyroarx

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Oct 27, 2017
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How do you do it? Amouranth knows how to skirt the TOS and has been pushing the boundaries for years. When Twitch tried to moderate clothing all hell broke lose and rightfully so because its stupid to ban sports bras and yoga pants. same with bathing suits. They allowed them within the right context so some streamers threw hot tubs in their room so they can wear bathing suits for every stream.

So the question is how do you ban these streamers while not encroaching the rights of women who you know go to the beach or have a workout stream? It's just not an easy thing and streamers like amarounth love staying in that gray area.

I think you do it simply by making a special case. "you continue to push the boundaries of what we deem acceptable on Twitch unfortunately we feel that this is not platform for the content you are creating"
 

CountAntonio

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think you do it simply by making a special case. "you continue to push the boundaries of what we deem acceptable on Twitch unfortunately we feel that this is not platform for the content you are creating"
Everybody knows what they are doing but without a well defined reason that can be found on the TOS I'm just not sure how they go about it.
 

Silver-Streak

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Oct 25, 2017
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Everybody knows what they are doing but without a well defined reason that can be found on the TOS I'm just not sure how they go about it.
Twitch doesn't actually need to publish or provide a reason if they really wanted to be rid of the streamers in question. They are the arbiters of their platform.

I've said this elsewhere, but Twitch just needs to be upfront and transparent about their goals. If the dryhumping stream mentioned above is real, they just need to put out a statement like "Sexuality is to be celebrated. Simulating sexual acts and repeatedly trying to bypass or find loopholes the TOS is not.". I don't think they will because they benefit from the viewers of these streams, getting up to 50% of all subscriptions.

The other thing they should do (and absolutely will not do) is just outright add an R rated section, or something, and require age verification for users to access any streamers in that section.
 

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Twitch wants to have its cake and eat it too. They opened the floodgates the moment they became about anything other than gaming. They need to decide exactly what the platform is supposed to be. But then again, why would they? This arrangement works just as well for them so long as the sponsors don't get too angry.