Twitch has a racist problem

BDubsLegend · Aug 3, 2018

Yeah twitch has racist assholes, but your example isn't even one of racism. It's feels like you were upset about something someone said and used a title with racism in it to appear more legitimate.

Its not that what was said wasn't reprehensible but this forum will loose quality and respect if people get upset about things then try to tie them to more widely disapproved topic to drum up outrage.

If this thread was titled someone on twitch says something stupid, it would be true to what you are talking about and feel less like outrage bait.

devSin · Aug 3, 2018

Honestly, you just have to be cognizant of the fact that the community surrounding video games is almost entirely this.

You either ignore it or play along with it (like a lot of people here), try to fight against it (like a few people here), or avoid it like the plague (like me).

Grimminski · Aug 3, 2018

BDubsLegend said:
Yeah twitch has racist assholes, but your example isn't even one of racism. It's feels like you were upset about something someone said and used a title with racism in it to appear more legitimate.

Its not that what was said wasn't reprehensible but this forum will loose quality and respect if people get upset about things then try to tie them to more widely disapproved topic to drum up outrage.

If this thread was titled someone on twitch says something stupid, it would be true to what you are talking about and feel less like outrage bait.

Read the thread:

subpar spatula said:
He just admitted today on a podcast that he says some very crazy racist and homophobic things in private with his friends. He stopped say "fag" around one friend who he believes truly hates gay people because he didn't want to be seen as an ally. He admits his private chat logs would be a big issue because he goes all out with his friends in private. To say he isn't racist, homophobic, etc is almost guaranteed a lie.

You can understand social and political structures while not ascribing to them.

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L Thammy · Aug 3, 2018

spruce zeus said:
Why do people think that trying to control what others say will actually work ? If someone is racist, homophobic, etc why don't you consider ignoring them?

Things in life tend to "work out" and the opposite of that is for people who are assholes.....it doesn't usually end well for them. To take it upon yourself to try and control what others say is (imo) a mega waste of energy. If you were happy with your own life following your own passion and working towards your own goals, I hardly think you'd have time to sit on the internet and try and police others for saying negative shit you don't agree with.

My two cents :)

The issue isn't that they exist, you can't help the fact that they exist. But you can set standards for what is and isn't acceptable in society. If racists exist but they are unable to act because they know that they can't get away with it, then the negative effect of the existence of racism is reduced, and the spread of their ideologies will likely be more difficult as well.

No one is pretending that punishing them is going to make them stop being racist deep in their heart. That was never the goal.

subpar spatula · Aug 3, 2018

BDubsLegend said:
Yeah twitch has racist assholes, but your example isn't even one of racism. It's feels like you were upset about something someone said and used a title with racism in it to appear more legitimate.

Its not that what was said wasn't reprehensible but this forum will loose quality and respect if people get upset about things then try to tie them to more widely disapproved topic to drum up outrage.

If this thread was titled someone on twitch says something stupid, it would be true to what you are talking about and feel less like outrage bait.

Did you even watch it? It's just the first hour. You can watch at the 1:05:00 and see more obvious examples. They downplay him calling someone a "retarded fag", say things like, "Chat spamming TriHard whenever I say blacksmith doesn't make them racist" or how he mispoke in his anti-women on Twitch rant and his intention wasn't to be hateful. They consistently downplay a lot of factors of racism while at the end of that segment saying, "I say a lot of racist shit in private with my non-racist friends. If those logs leaked then my career would be over."

You should probably dedicate a bit of time to go through the first hour.

Shark · Aug 3, 2018

spruce zeus said:
Why do people think that trying to control what others say will actually work ? If someone is racist, homophobic, etc why don't you consider ignoring them?

Things in life tend to "work out" and the opposite of that is for people who are assholes.....it doesn't usually end well for them. To take it upon yourself to try and control what others say is (imo) a mega waste of energy. If you were happy with your own life following your own passion and working towards your own goals, I hardly think you'd have time to sit on the internet and try and police others for saying negative shit you don't agree with.

My two cents :)

Haha, why don't we all just wish racism and homophobia away with apathy?

spruce zeus · Aug 3, 2018

subpar spatula said:
It doesn't go well for them because other people hold them accountable. You can't ignore these issues. They don't go away because they're ignored. Ignoring the problem makes it grow.

What I do agree with is that negativity breeds negative outcomes, and what goes around comes around, so they'll hopefully eventually realize that treating others in racist/homophobic ways is not the best course of action in life.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but taking on all the racists on the internet will probably not work out so well for you, unless you don't have much else going on in your life....at least it'll give you something to do to pass the time besides playing videogames. [/FONT]

BDubsLegend · Aug 3, 2018

Grimminski said:
Read the thread:

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subpar spatula said:
Did you even watch it? It's just the first hour. You can watch at the 1:05:00 and see more obvious examples. They downplay him calling someone a "retarded fag", say things like, "Chat spamming TriHard whenever I say blacksmith doesn't make them racist" or how he mispoke in his anti-women on Twitch rant and his intention wasn't to be hateful. They consistently downplay a lot of factors of racism while at the end of that segment saying, "I say a lot of racist shit in private with my non-racist friends. If those logs leaked then my career would be over."

You should probably dedicate a bit of time to go through the first hour.[/QUOTE

OK I was going off the information you provided. If I have to do research just to understand the Op maybe you left some information out because I read the entire Op.

Ænima · Aug 3, 2018

Thers racism everywhere, but the racism in twitch became a meme used by trolls that dont lose a chance to donate just to make the streamer bots say the N word out loud. Usually streamers get banned because of this.

From my (little) experience on twitch, i only have seen this kind of things in channels of streamers with alot of viewers that are using the voice bot for the donations texts. The channels of less crowded streamers are usually clean even when using the voice bot.

Twitch solution for this is banning the Streamers witch only make the trolls try harder to ban more streamers.

Thers also other kinds of more serious racism there used not just by trolls but the racist idiots, but thats not exclusive to twitch.

subpar spatula · Aug 3, 2018

spruce zeus said:
What I do agree with is that negativity breeds negative outcomes, and what goes around comes around, so they'll hopefully eventually realize that treating others in racist/homophobic ways is not the best course of action in life.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but taking on all the racists on the internet will probably not work out so well for you, unless you don't have much else going on in your life....at least it'll give you something to do to pass the time besides playing videogames. [/FONT]

People hold each other accountable. They just don't up and fix their ways. That's not how any of this works.

BDubsLegend said:
OK I was going off the information you provided. If I have to do research just to understand the Op maybe you left some information out because I read the entire Op.

The video link is in the OP. Would it be so hard to just click on it? It's a long video, yeah, but if you're interested in the topic then you'd watch even a bit of it.

spruce zeus · Aug 3, 2018

L Thammy said:
The issue isn't that they exist, you can't help the fact that they exist. But you can set standards for what is and isn't acceptable in society. If racists exist but they are unable to act because they know that they can't get away with it, then the negative effect of the existence of racism is reduced, and the spread of their ideologies will likely be more difficult as well.

No one is pretending that punishing them is going to make them stop being racist deep in their heart. That was never the goal.

I don't think it's about them even being "racist deep in their hearts". Some people just like to say shit that pisses people off because they're bored and it creates a reaction.

subpar spatula · Aug 3, 2018

spruce zeus said:
I don't think it's about them even being "racist deep in their hearts". Some people just like to say shit that pisses people off because they're bored and it creates a reaction.

That doesn't make them not racist.

spruce zeus · Aug 3, 2018

subpar spatula said:
People hold each other accountable. They just don't up and fix their ways. That's not how any of this works.

You're assuming that they're going to listen to you (someone who is speaking from a moral high ground). But why? Who are you besides a random outraged stranger?

If their goal was to piss off people on the internet for saying racist shit, don't you think your reaction means they are winning?

subpar spatula · Aug 3, 2018

spruce zeus said:
If their goal was to piss off people on the internet for saying racist shit, don't you think your reaction means they are winning?

That means we shouldn't have standards?

spruce zeus · Aug 3, 2018

subpar spatula said:
That doesn't make them not racist.

Once again, what grants your moral superiority to choose who is racist and who isnt ? Yeah, people can say shit, but to judge everyone who's ever said a racist thing in their entire life is a bit of a stretch.

Holden · Aug 3, 2018

subpar spatula said:
That doesn't make them not racist.

Is racism binary to you?

catboy · Aug 3, 2018

subpar spatula said:
He just admitted today on a podcast that he says some very crazy racist and homophobic things in private with his friends.

It absolutely baffles me that anyone would feel the need to do this. Like seriously, what is going through people's heads that they have to stop themselves from saying racist or homophobic things?

spruce zeus · Aug 3, 2018

subpar spatula said:
That means we shouldn't have standards?

Never said that.....just said that acting like the racist police on the internet probably isn't going to change their mind in that moment.

Only real life experience of seeing the consequences manifest themselves will.

Hanbei · Aug 3, 2018

mael said:
Well yeah but when you have live tv shows it's kind of hard to make racists stop saying shit.
The extent of the fine should be a deterrent enough to make sure this doesn't happen.
It's so far from being as bad as the stupid situation of the US where racist fake news can mascarade as news like there's no problem that it feels like another galaxy.
I doubt that your channels are even a tenth of being as bad as what passes for tv in the US.
Like woah, it looks like 4chan has a tv channel there.

Okay. We do have the same thing in my country.

subpar spatula · Aug 3, 2018

spruce zeus said:
Once again, what grants your moral superiority to choose who is racist and who isnt ? Yeah, people can say shit, but to judge everyone who's ever said a racist thing in their entire life is a bit of a stretch.

If they say racist things then they are racist? Destiny openly admitted he says really racist things in private to his friends.

Moral superiority? Oh... so that's what this is.

Driver · Aug 3, 2018

takriel said:
It's mainly just the US, let's face it. That country is rotten to the core.

What a terrible post. Seems like you don't travel much.

L Thammy · Aug 3, 2018

Racism doesn't mean hatred. If someone is willing to spread or encourage bigotry because they're apathetic to the potential harm they might cause, that selfishness is not any more innocent. You don't have to wear the hood to be a racist. The "real racists" over there don't make you any better.

Khanimus · Aug 3, 2018

I had no idea popular streamers were such assholes. This is truly unprecedented. /s

Shitheel fucks thrust into popularity with no oversight and no one to challenge their bullshit is fucking poisonous.

Hagi · Aug 3, 2018

spruce zeus said:
Once again, what grants your moral superiority to choose who is racist and who isnt ? Yeah, people can say shit, but to judge everyone who's ever said a racist thing in their entire life is a bit of a stretch.

If you are going to call me a nigger or a faggot I'm not going to give you a pass just because you tell me you're joking.

Quad Lasers · Aug 3, 2018

spruce zeus said:
Once again, what grants your moral superiority to choose who is racist and who isnt ? Yeah, people can say shit, but to judge everyone who's ever said a racist thing in their entire life is a bit of a stretch.

Pretty sure you can call someone racist for...saying something racist a month ago.

Or I guess in this case, something bigoted.

thevid · Aug 3, 2018

I just skimmed through the video a bit, but is this basically a group of straight white guys deciding that saying bigoted things is not bad sometimes?

Dark Ninja · Aug 3, 2018

Judging by the content of twitch chat and youtube comments they are probably marketing to that large loud demographic.

Kilic95 · Aug 3, 2018

Yeah, Twitch is garbage, I always turn off the cancerous chat when I watch something.

Lobosjr is the only exception, his chat seems to be well moderated for the most part.

GustyGardens · Aug 3, 2018

takriel said:
It's mainly just the US, let's face it. That country is rotten to the core.

The Rohingya might have something to say about that if they weren't still in the process of being ethnically cleansed in 2018.

spruce zeus · Aug 3, 2018

Hagi said:
If you are going to call me a nigger or a faggot I'm not going to give you a pass just because you tell me you're joking.

I'm not saying you should, but you should know that (especially kids) like to do what pisses everyone off to illicit reactions...I'm just suggesting that condemning others based on that is kind of pointless when your basically reacting the way they want you to. (instead of ignoring them).

Khanimus · Aug 3, 2018

spruce zeus said:
Once again, what grants your moral superiority to choose who is racist and who isnt ? Yeah, people can say shit, but to judge everyone who's ever said a racist thing in their entire life is a bit of a stretch.

What grants someone moral superiority? Not being a fucking bigot is usually a good starting point.

Ænima · Aug 3, 2018

thevid said:
I just skimmed through the video a bit, but is this basically a group of straight white guys deciding that saying bigoted things is not bad sometimes?

You dont need to be straight and white to be racist.

TheGhost · Aug 3, 2018

Gamers don't have a racist problem the world does. This is no longer surprising anymore.

Never heard of this person though.

Shauni · Aug 3, 2018

spruce zeus said:
I don't think it's about them even being "racist deep in their hearts". Some people just like to say shit that pisses people off because they're bored and it creates a reaction.

So from 'just ignore them' to 'well, maybe they aren't really racist.'

Hmm

Veldin · Aug 3, 2018

The defense that you should be able to say anything so long as it's purely ironic and among friends is pretty weak and self-serving. If you understand that certain language lends itself to bigoted ideologies you want no part of, then it should be simple to just not use that language.

spruce zeus · Aug 3, 2018

Khanimus said:
What grants someone moral superiority? Not being a fucking bigot is usually a good starting point.

You're looking at this in a very black and white sort of way (no pun intended), and I hate to break it to you....the world is all sorts of grey.....The amount of cultural racism that exists in and outside of america is mind numbing to try and think about. Once again, I don't think calling out annoying kids on the internet for using racial slurs is really gonna solve the problem.

Arsene no Kiseki · Aug 3, 2018

subpar spatula said:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/292469071

supposedly Destiny on Twitch is like a good person.

Definitely not. He's a major asshole.

thevid · Aug 3, 2018

Ænima said:
You dont need to be straight and white to be racist.

No shit.

Jobbs · Aug 3, 2018

Each channel has its own culture. While trolls can always pop into any chat and say something driveby, the channels I follow don't tolerate it racism/hate speech/etc. I'd say find new streamers, breh.

L Thammy · Aug 3, 2018

This is the "annoying kid" we're talking about, right?

Nice beard on him.

DOT_mjo · Aug 3, 2018

Yup, I can really only watch non-white streamers because waiting for that inevitable slip of the n-word is just something I don't want to hear. Looking at you Ninja & Pewd (different situations, I know, but still).

Khanimus · Aug 3, 2018

spruce zeus said:
You're looking at this in a very black and white sort of way (no pun intended), and I hate to break it to you....the world is all sorts of grey.....The amount of cultural racism that exists in and outside of america is mind numbing to try and think about. Once again, I don't think calling out annoying kids on the internet for using racial slurs is really gonna solve the problem.

Yeah let's leave these racists alone. Would hate for their feelings to be hurt...

Give me a fucking break with this permissive fucking bullshit. This isn't some motherfucker who grew up and says "man I said some stupid shit as a teenager that I regret." This is shit he is saying now and wants a pass for it.

Fuck. That.

Know what isn't so grey? Racists are fucking assholes.

KnightimeX · Aug 3, 2018

Don't you mean HUMANS have a racist problem?
Twitch is just an app.

mindatlarge · Aug 3, 2018

Been watching Twitch since the justin.tv days and I haven't witnessed bad behavior like racism or like the example in the op of hateful name calling. Though I am very picky who I watch, mostly smaller streamers and middle of the road streamers like futureman who don't encourage bad behavior or act out of line in this way. Just like in any community, I know there is some bad eggs, though personally, I have not witnessed this firsthand on Twitch other than the instances that make headlines.

spruce zeus · Aug 3, 2018

Shauni said:
So from 'just ignore them' to 'well, maybe they aren't really racist.'

Hmm

Lol, I never said they aren't really....I'm just saying that a 14 year old kid who says shit online is probably just doing it to make people like you mad. It's not that deep bro.

Even the term "racist" (imo) has lost its impact because it's been thrown around so much.

For example, I was in a gamestop a few days ago and the kids playing the Switch were complaining that the game was "racist" for not letting them win. LOL

The entire thing has become a joke because internet warriors who deem themselves morally superior walk around judging everyone else with it.

Hagi · Aug 3, 2018

spruce zeus said:
I'm not saying you should, but you should know that (especially kids) like to do what pisses everyone off to illicit reactions...I'm just suggesting that condemning others based on that is kind of pointless when your basically reacting the way they want you to. (instead of ignoring them).

I don't see what there is to gain from ignoring them. If they don't get a reaction from you, they get it from someone who thinks exactly the same way as them anyway. The only way you grow out of being a little edgelord is by realising what's wrong with what you are saying.

~Fake · Aug 3, 2018

You mean the internet right?

bananafactory said:
"Twitch"

also:

"Youtube"

and

"Humans"

FTFY

Shauni · Aug 3, 2018

spruce zeus said:
Lol, I never said they aren't really....I'm just saying that a 14 year old kid who says shit online is probably just doing it to make people like you mad. It's not that deep bro.

Even the term "racist" (imo) has lost its impact because it's been thrown around so much.

For example, I was in a gamestop a few days ago and the kids playing the Switch were complaining that the game was "racist" for not letting them win. LOL

The entire thing has become a joke because internet warriors who deem themselves morally superior walk around judging everyone else with it.

Ah, so racism doesn't mean anything because of unspecified internet warriors. I see.

Shark · Aug 3, 2018

spruce zeus said:
You're looking at this in a very black and white sort of way (no pun intended), and I hate to break it to you....the world is all sorts of grey.....The amount of cultural racism that exists in and outside of america is mind numbing to try and think about. Once again, I don't think calling out annoying kids on the internet for using racial slurs is really gonna solve the problem.

Your tolerance is a part of why this stuff is so pervasive. If pressuring a video game streaming website in to self-moderating is too big of a hassle, where do you suggest we start trying to tackle the issue?

(Don't use ignore in your reply)

Khanimus · Aug 3, 2018

spruce zeus said:
Lol, I never said they aren't really....I'm just saying that a 14 year old kid who says shit online is probably just doing it to make people like you mad. It's not that deep bro.

Even the term "racist" (imo) has lost its impact because it's been thrown around so much.

For example, I was in a gamestop a few days ago and the kids playing the Switch were complaining that the game was "racist" for not letting them win. LOL

The entire thing has become a joke because internet warriors who deem themselves morally superior walk around judging everyone else with it.

No, 'racist' is being thrown around because a lot of people are used to getting a pass for their racism.

Your pointless anecdote doesn't disqualify that actually.

Twitch has a racist problem

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