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Twitch Punishes White Apex Legends Cosplayer Who Painted Her Face Black (read Staff Post before posting)

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Dracil
Oct 30, 2017
451
most thai people i talk to didn't think is racist (or care)

Hell,I don't even know is bad until i enter neogaf/reddit.
I actually grew up in Thailand. And I didn't know about blackface/minstrel stuff till many years after I moved to the US (and a lot of the latter only from Cuphead discussions)

That said, it's also quite possible for people to do racist things without the intent to do racist things, or even think it's racist.
 
Oct 27, 2017
874
Thai natural skin tone are Tanned.
that user was asking if they were black, if that makes them black enough for you then why do blackface? also why not get a black actor? there must be at least one in Thailand also if some thailand actor is playing a white character, does they pain their face white too? See, this is the problem with blackface, a notnblack actor painting their skin black is better than getting a black actor. I remember this Brazilian telenovela where there was some indigenous characters and instead of getting an...indigenous actress or at least a brown actress they had a white(or white passing) actress doing brownface...when Brazil has plenty of brown people.
 
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Oct 26, 2017
2,809
Tokyo
People saying using google clearly are from America or the UK. Most people who are not familiar with blackface being offensive would not simply google such a thing because it would never cross their minds due to the cultural differences. Hopefully this gets the issue across to those who know nothing about it. This happening may be used as a learning experience.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Pretty sure some random countries don't find it offensive, yeah. I know thats going to be a weird statement for a primarily westernized board, but still not okay on twitch really.
You can find people in the US that say it isn’t offensive. Doesn’t mean it’s true. It’s definitely offensive worldwide. People from other countries try to act like there’s no racism, but that’s crap. Racism is alive and well worldwide. Just because some white people say they haven’t seen it or experienced it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Ignorance is not a valid excuse.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,187
Charlotte NC
I didn’t know is really just a indirect way of saying I didn’t care. Own up to your bullshit people. When I was a kid I didn’t paint my face white to be Batman on Halloween. It’s not hard to not be racist. I promise.
 
Oct 31, 2017
5,428
that user was asking if they were black, if that makes them black enough for you then why do blackface? also why not get a black actor? there must be at least one in Thailand also if some thailand actor is playing a white character, does they pain their face white too? See, this is the problem with blackface, a notnblack actor painting their skin black is better than getting a black actor. I remember this Brazilian telenovela where there was some indigenous characters and instead of getting an...indigenous actress or at least a brown actress they had a white(or white passing) actress doing brownface...when Brazil has plenty of brown people.
there's nothing wrong with what you're saying or the questions you're asking

however the simple fact of the matter is that some countries around the world just do not care about this subject in their culture, that's really all it comes down to. not all countries are exactly like America

have any of you heard of "DARKIE" toothpaste? this is not something I randomly searched while reading this thread, this is something I've known about because my parents told/showed me a long time ago. because they grew up in China & Taiwan. here's a pic and link and an excerpt:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darlie



This is a toothpaste brand originally founded in China/Taiwan that was very popular. And the boxes which show blackface and "DARKIE" (not darLie) are before Colgate bought the company and forced them to change the logo/name sometime around 1990

But read this:

"However, the Chinese name of the brand, "黑人牙膏" (in English, "Black Person Toothpaste"), remains the same, and a Chinese-language advertising campaign reassured customers that "Black Person Toothpaste is still Black Person Toothpaste"."

Most native overseas Asians who have never lived in America don't care about that stuff. Even my parents still chuckle about this toothpaste. (they are in their upper-60s)
 
Oct 7, 2018
150
I'm done with this thread. Good lord. Telling people to know the history, then attacking people for telling anecdotes and asking questions about the history. Wtf is this.
While I think people should try to be more culturally literate EVERYWHERE (even in Russia and Lithuania) and for that reason I think the argument is valid on both sides. Those that don't have that history, and don't know about it should be educated, and reprimanded for doing it, but let's pretend that people EVERYWHERE should just "know" and call them all morons for not knowing. Then let's torch folks for asking questions and mock them... that's not how you educate people.

Jesus today I've relearned how many people on the internet are just itching to light their torches and raise their pitchforks rather than be constructive.

My best friend, and business partner often calls people like this "racially ignorant" and refuses to acknowledge them as racist. I'm faster to pull the racist card than he is most of the time if I'm honest, and I'm the white dude...

That said, glad she was banned. This is wrong, let it be known to ANYONE here that it's wrong. If you want to know why simply GOOGLE blackface. Boom answered.
 
Like seriously regardless of where you are from if you have any lick of sense you should be able to tell why you shouldn't paint yourself to look like another, marginalized race. Its not different than slanting your eyes. You shouldn't have to be from the U.S. to see why its wrong. Use some common sense. Also FUCK her as she obviously doesn't give a shit.
 

Freddo

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Oct 27, 2017
1,636
Småland, Sweden
User Banned: (1 Month): Inflammatory Generalization; Antagonizing Other Users; History of Similar Behaviour
She didn't. Obviously. She got punished. Hopefully she learned.

Edit: Americans "refusing to believe" how things are in the other parts of the globe is about as ignorant as what she did. Blackface is pretty much never discussed or learned in many parts of the world (like mine). This is not super unlikely, guys.
But speading hate is what this forum do best. It's an extremely narrowminded place with little understanding on how things are outside the US.
 

Nepenthe

When the music hits, you feel no pain.
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
4,821
I wonder. Do the people who don't understand blackface have a bunch of non-white people who paint themselves white to look like white characters?

If yes, uhm, that's fucking weird.

If no, take about five seconds to think about why this phenomenon seems to be almost exclusively happening in one direction.
 
Nov 16, 2017
1,305
I didn’t know is really just a indirect way of saying I didn’t care. Own up to your bullshit people. When I was a kid I didn’t paint my face white to be Batman on Halloween. It’s not hard to not be racist. I promise.
You’re wrong though.
It’s very easy to not do blackface, and there are many blatant racist things that are easy to just not do or promote, but not -being- racist is hard. In fact, many progressives argue that everyone is racist and acknowledging this is important in learning to do better. You can’t just simply ”not be racist and be done with it”, it is a constant struggle against years and years of bad influences from media and the society at large.
 
Oct 27, 2017
512
Even if you have never been culturally exposed to blackface it screams white privilege how you can't even contemplate why painting your face black to ape a black person wouldn't be seen as offensive.

Ignorance really isn't a great defence when you care that little about thinking what you are doing and the ramifications of it.

ps3ud0 8)
 
Oct 31, 2017
5,428
I wonder. Do the people who don't understand blackface have a bunch of non-white people who paint themselves white to look like white characters?

If yes, uhm, that's fucking weird.

If no, take about five seconds to think about why this phenomenon seems to be almost exclusively happening in one direction.
You've never heard of the Asian cultural phenomenon of valuing lighter/paler/whiter color skin? That's very common in Korea, China, Japan. And some of that is achieved through cosmetics/surgery

Also there are practically mathematically 0% native black citizens of those countries, so consequently they don't care much about black cultural issues

(I bring up those 3 specific countries because I actually have personal experience and traveled there. I've heard some other Asian countries are the same way, even India.)
 
Nov 1, 2017
1,264
In Italy during the 80-90s we had a really famous spot for a licorice candy that was blackface/mintrel show based. Fortunately i was still too young so i vaguely remember. I had to teach my parents and older friends why it was bad and offensive, hopefully they got it.
 

Nepenthe

When the music hits, you feel no pain.
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
4,821
You've never heard of the Asian cultural phenomenon of valuing lighter/paler/whiter color skin? That's very common in Korea, China, Japan. And some of that is achieved through cosmetics/surgery
Yeah, but...

Are they going under the knife to achieve a specific look that- regardless of its potentially contentious social ramifications- is a popular look in the country, or are they going under the knife to pretend to be Spiderman for a weekend convention?

There's a massive difference here.


Basically, my assignment to people is to think for, like, ten seconds why black people don't feel the need to paint themselves white to portray Superman but y'all just gotta dig out the facepaint from the attic to portray T'Challa.
 
Oct 31, 2017
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Yeah, but...

Are they going under the knife to achieve a specific look that- regardless of its potentially contentious social ramifications- is a popular look in the country, or are they going under the knife to pretend to be Spiderman for a weekend convention?

There's a massive difference here.
oh I didn't know you were differentiating between the two cases, but yes it's typically the former. (but there's no contentious social ramifications within those countries itself, that's the reason it's popular in the first place)

Basically, my assignment to people is to think for, like, ten seconds why black people don't feel the need to paint themselves white to portray Superman but y'all just gotta dig out the facepaint from the attic to portray T'Challa.
But going back to this, the thing in Asia (at least the 3 countries I mentioned) is that they don't think about black people period. Because it makes up less than 0.01% of the citizen population there

I am strictly just stating this as a realistic fact. You and other posters are certainly free to make your own personal judgments on it being the case
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Europe
People from US may think that concept blackface is imprinted into everyone's mind and people know why it's considered offensive. Here in Lithuania, I know about blackface only because of internet forums and scandals like this. The concept is simply not known to majority of people here and it's not considered offensive unless it's used to mock black people or present them as inferior, you know, actually racist. Here's a casual show on TV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo1YoD6c5wo
Maybe people in US have some special classes showing why it can't be used, but here, nobody ever explained us why it should be such a taboo.
 
Mar 28, 2018
2,227
Thailand
You've never heard of the Asian cultural phenomenon of valuing lighter/paler/whiter color skin? That's very common in Korea, China, Japan. And some of that is achieved through cosmetics/surgery

Also there are practically mathematically 0% native black citizens of those countries, so consequently they don't care much about black cultural issues

(I bring up those 3 specific countries because I actually have personal experience and traveled there. I've heard some other Asian countries are the same way, even India.)
Thai too.
They have a bunch skin care ads that black skin is bad white is good.

 
Nov 19, 2017
155
All these excuses i’m sitting here thinking, yes, black people are ignored and treated like trash all around the world. We’re well ya’ll don’t care about issues that hurt us.
I’m african and that’s a shared black experience.
 
Oct 31, 2017
5,428
Thai too.
They have a bunch skin care ads that black skin is bad white is good.

yeah I've certainly heard that about Thailand too. Vietnam as well, I believe lighter-skinned women are considered more highly there

but I only wanted to list countries that I actually have personally visited and have experience with, so no one accuses me of stereotyping other countries
 
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Dracil
Oct 30, 2017
451
there's nothing wrong with what you're saying or the questions you're asking

however the simple fact of the matter is that some countries around the world just do not care about this subject in their culture, that's really all it comes down to. not all countries are exactly like America

have any of you heard of "DARKIE" toothpaste? this is not something I randomly searched while reading this thread, this is something I've known about because my parents told/showed me a long time ago. because they grew up in China & Taiwan. here's a pic and link and an excerpt:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darlie



This is a toothpaste brand originally founded in China/Taiwan that was very popular. And the boxes which show blackface and "DARKIE" (not darLie) are before Colgate bought the company and forced them to change the logo/name sometime around 1990

But read this:

"However, the Chinese name of the brand, "黑人牙膏" (in English, "Black Person Toothpaste"), remains the same, and a Chinese-language advertising campaign reassured customers that "Black Person Toothpaste is still Black Person Toothpaste"."

Most native overseas Asians who have never lived in America don't care about that stuff. Even my parents still chuckle about this toothpaste. (they are in their upper-60s)
I had these as a kid as well. Even back then I noticed it and had thoughts of WTF, how is this not racist and allowed?
 
Oct 30, 2017
712
User Banned (1 Week): Dismissive commentary concerning blackface
People being so judgement and agressive against someone not from the US, some people literally just don't know. She likely had no ill intent, so calm the hell down people.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I don't think her intent was malicious, but obviously that doesn't matter and you can't do this.
Yep,, she didn't know it was offensive, now she does and has been suitably punished for her ignorance.

Def think a lot of posters here need to learn about perspective. Yes her costume was offensive, no she didn't know it was. Now she does and has apologised and taken her ban. Not every country knows about blackface, that is slowly changing and hopefully events like this will lead to more enlightenment.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Repeat after me : It's alright to cosplay a character that has a different skin color than you, just don't consider their skin color as part of the costume.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Typical "respect" excuse lol
Is blackface a thing in Lithuania? I wouldn't know.
Blackface is everywhere around the world, though.

Fun fact: The king of blackface performers, Al Jolson, was born in Lithuania.


Now Karina “Karupups” Martsinkevich is the second most well known blackface entertainer from Lithuania 🤣
 
Oct 28, 2017
56
Oh yeah that’s straight blackface. There’s no reason for anyone worldwide to think this is ok in 2019. I don’t wanna hear about that racist ass Swedish or Dutch festival either.
What is this racist Swedish festival you are talking about?
 
Nov 5, 2017
4,703
In Italy during the 80-90s we had a really famous spot for a licorice candy that was blackface/mintrel show based. Fortunately i was still too young so i vaguely remember. I had to teach my parents and older friends why it was bad and offensive, hopefully they got it.


2016
 
Oct 31, 2017
5,428
Typical "respect" excuse lol

Blackface is everywhere around the world, though.

Fun fact: The king of blackface performers, Al Jolson, was born in Lithuania.
yeah but he moved to America when he was 5, so he's american culturally & professionally and I don't think he performed in Lithuania later on

the DARKIE toothpaste logo I posted about above is based on Al Jolson
 
Oct 28, 2017
3,330
Ffs stop using the black race as a costume.

Cosplay doesn't require one to use black skin as part of a costume. I don't know how one ever thinks its ok.
 
Mar 2, 2018
841
Ask yourself this, how come you only see white people paint themselves dark but not the other way for costumes? The skin color isn't the character, need to stop treating it as such.
^

I don't see black people painting themselves white to represent a character, unless they want to mock the "blackface" culture.

 
Oct 22, 2018
4,129
"Don't do blackface."

Being committed to anti-racism is frequent hard work and requires introspection and research, but there are some rules so easy that you really have to go out of your way to violate them.
How do you use the internet in English and not realize this fact. It's, like, a big topic, especially every year right before November.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,193
This seems like it's never going to end :/ smh.
There's just going to be ignorant people born every single day without a decent upbringing / parenting /education that explaining to them why this is racist. And so twenty years from now, a twenty year old twitch streamer is going to do this and have the same result.
 
Oct 27, 2017
122
Italy
People being so judgement and agressive against someone not from the US, some people literally just don't know. She likely had no ill intent, so calm the hell down people.
This so much. I live in Italy and you can see this happen on live TV a lot of time, I genuinely never knew about this.
 

Yavga

Banned
Member
Dec 20, 2017
441
Not an American and I would know better to paint my face black in 2019, but I cannot accept the harshness people condemn the people with that do these things with no harmful intentions. In the Netherlands most of the colored people from different countries apparantly don’t even understand it themselves what the fuss is all about, To me that says that we succeeded in combatting so much of the racism that there’s no racism to be found in painting your face black, as it should in my opinion. And people from a different color should do the same and paint themselves white and everyone should have fun. It just shouldn’t matter. I think that would be the best result. I hope we can achieve this in a few more generations time.
 
Dec 15, 2017
24
I mean, she has google? Do cosplayers go online? Is she isolated from the numerous times cosplayers have been called out for shit like this or worse Halloween costumes which year after year produce stories like this? I mean every Christmas European countries show their ass with zwarte piet and three kings shit, does that never make news out there?
How would you even google that if you didn't know it was a thing?