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Twitch Punishes White Apex Legends Cosplayer Who Painted Her Face Black (read Staff Post before posting)
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How would you even google that if you didn't know it was a thing?
She double doubled down
She posted more pictures and a message to all her fans on Instagram thanking them for supporting her in her time of need
User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory false equivalencies surrounding race
Yep as an european, I don't understand the problem in a cosplay context. And I would react the exact same way had she been a black woman painting her face in white
User Banned (2 Weeks): Justifying blackface
No one in my family know what black face is.
No one in my family knows that doing it could be interpreted as racist.
I'm in Europe. We aren't "ignorant". The concept of black face simply is not a thing here.
Americans, please stop assuming everyone is like you.
I've seen a lot of cosplays. The number one goal is to attain a look as close to the target as possible. With that in mind it makes perfect sense (to a non-American) to paint her face.
No one in my family knows that doing it could be interpreted as racist.
I'm in Europe. We aren't "ignorant". The concept of black face simply is not a thing here.
Americans, please stop assuming everyone is like you.
I've seen a lot of cosplays. The number one goal is to attain a look as close to the target as possible. With that in mind it makes perfect sense (to a non-American) to paint her face.
I'm from africa and i never legit knew 'blackface' was a thing
this might be my first scenario of it and i don't feel offended because she wasn't being comical or disingenuous of blacks in general (i think) also, i like the character lifeline from apex
judging from the thread tho it's an incredibly racist thing so twitch did good and she seemed sorry i guess.
this might be my first scenario of it and i don't feel offended because she wasn't being comical or disingenuous of blacks in general (i think) also, i like the character lifeline from apex
judging from the thread tho it's an incredibly racist thing so twitch did good and she seemed sorry i guess.
Oh, we doing the 'she didn't know' thing again like she doesn't have access to the internet?
That excuse doesn't work anymore when information is so freely available.
That excuse doesn't work anymore when information is so freely available.
The US started as a collective of States (as in, nation states). There's the famous line that people said "The United States are" before the Civil War, and "The United States is" afterward. The thought before the Civil War was that "America" as a unified country was not a thing.
So for demonyms, I imagine most people in the early days used their state's demonym before using American (EG Virginians, New Yorkers, etc...)
Do. Not. Paint. Your. Face. Black.
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Then why did she do such a poor job on the rest of the cosplay?
Also cosplay is not always about attaining the closest look as possible. Genderbends and mashups are also a thing. Creativity is allowed.
User Banned (1 Month): Downplaying racism. Previous severe infraction.
Racism isn't as prevalent everywhere in the world as it is in America, in some countries colored people don't understand why people "want to be a victim that bad" and that's not my text. That's just a different viewpoint from a different country because things work differently elsewhere. Wouldn't it be better if people sincerely don't think it's racism to paint your face black or white? What if we managed to combat racism so much making these situations possible?
At one point in the future we must reach a point where we can say that racism is more or less dead (hopefully) at that moment, still calling things like these racism will probably only keep the very idea of racism alive.
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I mean, it seems like a lot of people in this very thread didnt know that there exists cultures besides their own. And that shit is thaught in school.
Do you google everything before you do them? If you didnt know it was bad why would you google it.
Her apology doesnt seem like much of an apology though.
Funny, i'm from Europe too and i know the concept of black face. And so are my friends and my family. Try to educate them, instead of defending them.
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Cosplay isn't an excuse. If she's doubling down, she's dumb and doesn't need people to defend them.
User Banned (Permanent): Excusing Blackface; History of Severe Infractions
Because America and American history aren't the center of everyone's lives and world.
She lives in freaking Lithuania. Why in the world would she know about blackface? She was doing it with good intentions.
Americans are literally the first one decrying things they find offensive yet the offensive shit they do are passed on as humour or some other bullcrap. Some Lithuanian painted her face black to represent a character she likes - wow she's so dumb - meanwhile American tourists posing butt naked in religious sites, wearing shorts and tank tops in shrines, etc do you think these Americans think they're being offensive? No. They think it's all normal. See how perspective works?
To anyone saying wow why did she not Google - I mean seriously? Who Googles whether or not painting their face in any colour as offensive? Again, America is not the center of the world. Stop applying your standards elsewhere because more often that not you're the one breaking and disrespecting cultural norms from and in other countries. Ridiculous that some girl in some country has to know about blackface. It's you who made fun of others by doing that, why should others who never did anything have to bear the responsibility of educating themselves of mistakes you caused and perpetuated?
Imagine you go to some country you've never heard of and you tell them to not paint their faces because of a shitshow you put on a century ago.
User Banned (1 Week): Excusing Blackface
I live in Europe and I dont see anything offensive here, because it's just a cosplay and she wanted to look as closely to the character as possible, but judging by your comments Tropic Thunder should be one of the most offensive movies out there and Robert Downey Jr. career should have ended with this movie. I know it isn't the best comparison, but come one, it's sitting with a score of 7 on IMDb and I never heard that this movie is racist. Would it be ok if I cosplayed Robert Downey Jr from Tropic Thunder? Even to this day people constantly use "survive" gif which should be super racist but somehow isn't? I don't know, this racism thing is confusing.
User Banned (2 Weeks): Excusing blackface and downplaying racism
As an European, I can't see what was wrong with her cosplay. She didn't mean to do it in an offensive way, as for the Griezmann controversy it's more of a tribute there's no mockery and it's a sort of tribute.
Colors exist like it or not, we just don't have the kind of bad association Americans have regarding skin color. That's why there's no understanding in this thread between non Americans which are talking about the intent of such cosplay and that they are not meant to mock or caricature black people and Americans which consider those things as taboo.
While I understand both point of view, some people are really being narrow-minded and going hard on people without taking into account our cultural differences.
Besides, I don't think that forbidding black people cosplay (AND COSPLAY ONLY !) is a very good way to move forward on those kind of social issues even though I can clearly understand what could be found offensive but people need to have a little more faith in others.
Colors exist like it or not, we just don't have the kind of bad association Americans have regarding skin color. That's why there's no understanding in this thread between non Americans which are talking about the intent of such cosplay and that they are not meant to mock or caricature black people and Americans which consider those things as taboo.
While I understand both point of view, some people are really being narrow-minded and going hard on people without taking into account our cultural differences.
Besides, I don't think that forbidding black people cosplay (AND COSPLAY ONLY !) is a very good way to move forward on those kind of social issues even though I can clearly understand what could be found offensive but people need to have a little more faith in others.
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So I looked this up. Seems like the reason it isn't as heavily criticized because it was actually a meta-criticism on the usage of blackface. Akin to the "whiteface" in White Chicks.
i.e. they're commentaries and laughing at blackface, not black people.
You don't even have to Google shit, just simply existing on the internet is enough to see the stories. And the fact that she doubled down should be telling enough.
This excuse is bullshit.
There are plenty of white characters they can cosplay as.
You almost got me ahah, i thought you were serious for a second
That. She fucked up, she got punished and hopefully she learned something.
Too bad she wanted to pay tributes to a black person then huh ?
You are mistaken, I didnt make any excuse.
And no, simply "existing" on the internet doesnt mean shit. Just like there exist other countries besides america there also exists non american websites.
I actually believe her
Just take the L and learn from it in the future
I get it, not all the countries educate people on things, some of them downplay historic events like the Southern US or Asian countries, hell states in the fucking US are removing shit from textbooks, looking at you fucking texas
Just take the L and learn from it in the future
I get it, not all the countries educate people on things, some of them downplay historic events like the Southern US or Asian countries, hell states in the fucking US are removing shit from textbooks, looking at you fucking texas
Yup, by an American company applying American sense of justice.
It's a slap on the hand that should warn her that those kind of things are not allowed on Twitch.
But Twitch isn't defining how the world has to be nor Americans people can either.
You seem to be intentionally ignoring many posters in this thread. You don't know all the exact internet habits of people around the world are
Also in the cases I brought up for Asian countries, most overseas asians don't speak/read english. Also for China have you heard of their great Fire Wall?
Question for the Americans, but before I ask I'm fully onboard in the opinion that blackface is racist.
That Lifeline photo in the OP is pretty much the same colour as most white teenage girls in Scotland, or at least how they looked when I was at school.
They weren't trying to be a black character though, they just used way too much fake tan and makeup and that was the fashion then.
Is what those girls did more or less racist? Is it the tone itself that is racist or the intent?
That Lifeline photo in the OP is pretty much the same colour as most white teenage girls in Scotland, or at least how they looked when I was at school.
They weren't trying to be a black character though, they just used way too much fake tan and makeup and that was the fashion then.
Is what those girls did more or less racist? Is it the tone itself that is racist or the intent?
You have a bad habit of defending racist YouTubers (PewDiePie last time, right?) So yeah, I'm going to ignore you completely
She is on their platform and has to abide by their rules, regardless of what country it exists in.
User Banned (1 Month): Excusing Blackface Over a Series of Posts
Well, I actually know what blackfacing is, yet I still don't see the issue here. She wanted to cosplay as one of her favorite video game characters so she made a costume to look like her. I don't see how this is disrespectful or ignorant, she is not representing a caricature of a black person. This is more like paying a tribute and not doing what is being described in the Wikipedia article.
is this a joke? people from all over the world dress up as whites and paint themselves whites in shows or ads or whatever. Whites, blacks, whatever.
You know why? newsflash - almost everywhere isn't a melting pot of diverse ethnicities, that's why people dress up, paint their skin, wear other culture's clothes. Not to disrespect because unlike Americans who dressed up to perpetuate racial shit, others just dress up for the fun of it, for entertainment, or to just make them appear to be more similar to what they're trying to dress up as - that's why it's called dress up. And no, no one bats an eye because unlike America, others don't have a history of donning a blackface to shit on their enslaved people.
So yeah, not fucking weird. It's called "living outside the walls of the United States"
the condescending tone of Americans here and how "they just don't get how how how people are so stupid to do blackface, wow so dumb, what an idiot" is one of the most myopic hubris i have ever seen. Literally is myopic in how they view the world, and hubris in thinking they expect people from continents away to conform to standards they set because of a shitshow they did.
As long as society treats poc the way they do, I don't want to see my skin color used as a costume ez.
There are things that can be justified if you have good arguments and some posters here are providing some.
not that I can recall
if you're referring to that huge thread "PewDiePie attempts to distance himself from Christchurch Mosque shooter who pledged support"
I actually have that thread ignored and did not post one single time in it. feel free to use the search function and look in it
User Banned (2 Weeks): Rationalizing and excusing blackface over a series of posts
Blackface is racist.
Cosplay isn't.
Not everyone is American.
Education needs to happen.
I'm a POC; so when someone wears bronze makeup on their face or tans into my brown shade, it's not racist to me. When I wear a suit from the west, I don't transform into a European.
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America has a problem with Nudity in media.
America is alright with absolutely crazy violence in media.
Europeans don't have the same standards.
America is not the world police for ethnocentric dominance.
This argument is stupid as hell because we all know her intent wasn't racist. I'm not going to side with her ignorance either. She learned a lesson but people are too god damned sensitive.
Cosplay isn't.
Not everyone is American.
Education needs to happen.
I'm a POC; so when someone wears bronze makeup on their face or tans into my brown shade, it's not racist to me. When I wear a suit from the west, I don't transform into a European.
Other Dumb Examples
America has a problem with Nudity in media.
America is alright with absolutely crazy violence in media.
Europeans don't have the same standards.
America is not the world police for ethnocentric dominance.
This argument is stupid as hell because we all know her intent wasn't racist. I'm not going to side with her ignorance either. She learned a lesson but people are too god damned sensitive.
That's what she did, she just didn't understand why she was banned. Now she does and won't do it again obviously. But you're clearly mistaken the point of the discussion apart from giving points to the people denouncing some rather heavy narrow-minded attitude here.
+ Bonus points for trying to discredit a person because of past messages and not talking about the thread at all...
Not knowing isnt an excuse or a pass on doing something bad.
But not knowing is still a thing. Not everyone use the internet the same way. Even to this day there are a lot of people ignorant about the concept of black face.
Well, I do understand blackface, however I don't agree with you at all. E.g. in East Asian countries white skin is seen as beautiful so a lot of people will brighten their skin. While e.g. in central Europe among caucasians it's beautiful to have a darker skin, so they use indoor tanning or other ways to get a tan.
They use all skin colors for their costumes and they do it because they love the (fictional) characters. Cosplay is not the same as Blackface, for starters the intention is positive and it is not restricted to one skin color.
Blackface is a symbol of hate, so of course the ban is correct.
It's interesting how, in calling out ignorance outside of the US, some of you can be entirely ignorant of the world outside the States. People here in Europe often aren't very aware of their own problematic colonial past, much less the history of a country an entire ocean away. This desperately needs to improve, but 'just use Google' isn't the answer.
It's interesting how, in calling out ignorance outside of the US, some of you can be entirely ignorant of the world outside the States. People here in Europe often aren't very aware of their own problematic colonial past, much less the history of a country an entire ocean away. This desperately needs to improve, but 'just use Google' isn't the answer.
Yeah, the concept of blackface is fairly easy to grasp. I can understand saying "I never heard about it before". I cant understand the "I dont understand why it's offensive."
Do a good job with the costume, wig, accessories, etc and there will be 0 reason to paint your skin because you're already visibly similar in every other way.
It's really annoying this keeps happening, there's been a lot of continuing conversation in the cosplay community about blackfacing (and in some cases white cosplayers or social media personalities changing their eyes or skin to look "more Asian") and people are all too happy to talk over POC who are, for the most part, pretty vocal and clear about finding that unacceptable.
It's actually more of a criticism about Hollywood not casting black people in lead roles, to the point of a white method actor having to use blackface to fit the role.
The blackface is more used to point out how absurd the situation is given that the audience is presumed to already know that blackface is bad.
As someone from Asia who knows about certain level of African American histroy, I didn't know what blackface is until now, and even though I dont have any data to support me, I would say majority of the Asian don't know about it as well, it's a thing far from common sense here base on my 'Asian common sense'.
I do feel sorry for those who offended but I also think she did not do it intentionally, hope she learns, I learned.
I do feel sorry for those who offended but I also think she did not do it intentionally, hope she learns, I learned.