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FSP

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,644
London, United Kingdom
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More seriously: GOOD. Far far far too much of this stuff on the net. :/ It needs to be a broad crackdown in general.
 

logan_cadfgs

Member
Oct 28, 2017
945
Honestly, arguments like "what constitutes as sexually exploitative?" or "this is a slippery slope for stifling artistic expression!!" seem really disingenuous in this context. Is it really THAT hard to distinguish child porn from earnest, legitimate works of art??
 

Camjo-Z

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,503
I've always disliked porn/hentai on Twitter in general so I can't complain. There are a couple people I follow because we're friends or I like the majority of their art but damn if they don't make me regret that decision when I'm out scrolling through Twitter in public and suddenly a pic of an Undertale character sporting a massive dong floods my screen.
 

FatPuppy

Member
Jun 18, 2018
519
What's the response when they try the "Oh, we designed her to look underage, but she's actually 18 so it's okay" trick?

Like the Dead or Alive franchise does with Marie Rose.
I hate that stupid character.
 

TheMadTitan

Member
Oct 27, 2017
27,198
Don't sexualize children.

How is this a complex topic?
It's complex because anime.
Yeah I avoided posting here but I'd be pretty annoyed if people got banned for stuff like Kim Possible porn because some Twitter mod looked on a wiki and found her last age to be 17.
Maybe they should age up their depictions then instead of drawing Kim Possible as she looked as a teenager in the nude.

Or better yet, just draw Shego; she's better any damn way and an adult without fandom doing an age thing!
 

Sephzilla

Herald of Stoptimus Crime
Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,493
The real story here is that Twitter was okay with child porn for thirteen years.
 

Deleted member 8001

user requested account closure
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
7,440
Honestly, arguments like "what constitutes as sexually exploitative?" or "this is a slippery slope for stifling artistic expression!!" seem really disingenuous in this context. Is it really THAT hard to distinguish child porn from earnest, legitimate works of art??
It's not. But I mean you know damn well people will spin things as much as possible. The problem is you're thinking about this with a rational mind and things just working out, but no as you can see with how a lot of alt-right spin messages in their favor, human beings will do just do that in general depending on the circumstance.

I personally don't see why everyone has this faith in twitter suddenly. When I see people getting banned then I'll get excited, but nah I ain't till then.
 

jph139

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,365
Wait, are we talking about Lolita? For one thing, hasn't that always had mixed reception, and for the other, isn't the "depiction of child sexuality" just the main character imagining that the kid is seducing him to justify the fact that he's a child molester?

Yes. That's still a depiction, though - and at no point in the book does it say "this guy is bad and lying, he's just a pedophile scumbag." It just trusts the audience that lurid descriptions of the "love affair" should be disgusting you. It's a great book about a nightmare of a person and the victims he leaves behind him, but it's definitely explicit.

It's contextual (like all art). Again, Twitter barring lolicon art won't impact legitimate artistic portrayals like that, and it's weird that anyone would try to use it for them.

I will go out on a limb and say that Lolita would not have been successful if it was a Twitter thread.
 

turtle553

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,219
I thought it was well known the entire hook of the book was the reader was dealing with an unreliable narrator?

Yeah, but it's not like the narration is him even being a decent person trying to paint himself in the best light. That's why I thought it was going to be more about Lolita being a tease justifying his actions. But his actual actions he describes are horrible even if he doesn't always admit how bad they are.
 

Jonathan Lanza

"I've made a Gigantic mistake"
Member
Feb 8, 2019
6,783
I'm still not sure how you actually regulate this. When there's no actual age how do you determine one?
They can't and won't.
What they probably mean is OBVIOUS CP. Things you can tell from a glance. Porn of say Bleach characters or something is all fair game since nobody is gonna be assed to find out how old Orihime is supposed to be
 

BriGuy

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,275
Not being on Twitter, this sounds like something that wouldn't (and shouldn't) be kosher from the get-go. I already hold the platform in super low esteem; it's amazing I was still apparently overestimating it.
 

nib95

Contains No Misinformation on Philly Cheesesteaks
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
18,498
Good riddance. Ultimately it'll help to minimise or limit the normalisation of potentially paedophilic media.
 

Trice

Banned
Nov 3, 2018
2,653
Croatia
There's shit like this in porn games as well. All over the net, flash sites and some more renowned porn games like Dating My Daughter where the characters look like kids. Supported via Patreon as well.
 

Kewlmyc

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
26,682
Fucking lol at Japan freaking out. A few people I used to follow are probably freaking out with all the shit they retweet.

Good riddance. I wonder how they plan to police this though.
 

Mesoian

β–² Legend β–²
Member
Oct 28, 2017
26,426
It's complex because anime.

I mean it's complex due to non american non conformative media and artworks, yes.

Forgive me if I doubt twitter's commitment to this when they fail to see this as a racist post.



I expect anyone to be able to pay their way around a ban regarding this, making this a purge of small artists that twitter never cared about in the first place.
 

JCG

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,532
What's the response when they try the "Oh, we designed her to look underage, but she's actually 18 so it's okay" trick?

Like the Dead or Alive franchise does with Marie Rose.
I hate that stupid character.

She's the worst thing that has happened to DOA, which is saying something. Ugh.

People should pressure the company to either remove the character or at least visually age her depiction up to a reasonable level, instead of trying to have it both ways and be creepy as hell.
 

Mesoian

β–² Legend β–²
Member
Oct 28, 2017
26,426
She's the worst thing that has happened to DOA, which is saying something. Ugh.

People should pressure the company to either remove the character or at least visually age her depiction up to a reasonable level, instead of trying to have it both ways and be creepy as hell.
Pretty sure last week's stream shenanigans is enough evidence that Tecmo ain't listening.
 

Tfritz

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,254
Honestly, arguments like "what constitutes as sexually exploitative?" or "this is a slippery slope for stifling artistic expression!!" seem really disingenuous in this context. Is it really THAT hard to distinguish child porn from earnest, legitimate works of art??

yeah ppl making those arguments aren't concerned about, like, art in the grander context, they're just mad about their cartoon child porn
 

AztecComplex

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,371
Yeah like...what happens when this:

2000

Is the postergirl for your video game/anime/movie.

What happens when twitter loses ad dollars because of this move?

I'm genuinely curious because there's so much official shit that revels in sexing up clearly underaged kids and masking in some stupid way and less people then there should be call it out.
As much as I don't like that's character that is definitely not pornography.

Still can't believe Nintendo gave this character the green light.
 

Watchtower

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,636
What's the response when they try the "Oh, we designed her to look underage, but she's actually 18 so it's okay" trick?

Like the Dead or Alive franchise does with Marie Rose.
I hate that stupid character.

The fucked thing with Marie Rose and Honoka is that both were 16/17 when they were first created. DOA did a small time skip almost specifically to make them both 18 and thus legal, even though they look exactly the same.
 

Kreed

The Negro Historian
Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,102
Japanese Twitter is currently a shitstorm after this news, illustrators are freaking out.
https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/sexual-exploitation-policy

  • Illustrated, computer-generated or other forms of realistic depictions of a human minor in a sexually explicit context, or engaged in a sexually explicit act.

"Realistic depictions" doesn't sound like it includes anime, but if it gets the 1000 year old demons off of Twitter then oh well.
 

Kewlmyc

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
26,682
Not being on Twitter, this sounds like something that wouldn't (and shouldn't) be kosher from the get-go. I already hold the platform in super low esteem; it's amazing I was still apparently overestimating it.
Loli/shota anime art has always been a grey area for various reasons, with various excuses for it (cultural differences, 1000 year old dragon, etc).

At the end of the day, it's extremely creepy as fuck, but technically not illegal since no kids are actually involved. So Twitter never really policed it.

Now they are, which is why certain Japanese illustrators and their fans are freaking out now.
 

Lump

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,957
Just tell the people that are butthurt that it isn't a new rule enforcing this, it's just a 1000 year old set of laws dressed as a new rule.
 

Einbroch

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,971
Well, lolis and shotas aren't banned, just the sexual stuff.

Surprised it wasn't banned already.