Twitter Explodes After Homeland Security Headline Appears to Mimic ’14-Words’ Neo-Nazi Slogan

[RedMercury]

Life can have weird coincidences without reaching for conspiracist reasons. I'll say it again though, why even do this dumb I'm dropping a 1488, so my racist fuckwits will know I'm with them? Why do it. You don't need to, the current administration and DHS policy, the policy is going off as a foghorn to those individuals.

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Why do they shitpost on 4chan all day?

Why would they take a cartoon frog and turn it into a nazi symbol to laugh at?

Why brigade subreddits with racist memes?

They do it because they are depraved and its humorous to them to make people upset and to have a shared laugh. Have you heard of the Million Dollar Extreme show? That whole show was just dogwhistles and that audience ate up all the little nudges and nods. It's gross stuff so I won't post it but you can look it up, it's a perfect representation of what they do, look up the "Jews Rock" skit where they put a "Life Rune" into the background. It's stuff like that that gets them off because they can't come right out and say it, ad then they run to 4chan or other sites to post it and everyone laughs and talks about what an awesome "red pill" it was.

 

[Deleted member 888]

Why do they shitpost on 4chan all day?

Why would they take a cartoon frog and turn it into a nazi symbol to laugh at?

Why brigade subreddits with racist memes?

They do it because they are depraved and its humorous to them to make people upset and to have a shared laugh. Have you heard of the Million Dollar Extreme show? That whole show was just dogwhistles and that audience ate up all the little nudges and nods. It's gross stuff so I won't post it but you can look it up, it's a perfect representation of what they do, look up the "Jews Rock" skit where they put a "Life Rune" into the background. It's stuff like that that gets them off because they can't come right out and say it.

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This is true, but they aren't behind everything. Sometimes unfortunate coincidences happen and we can't just always say "I bet 4chan is behind this with one of their ploys" if we're scrounging for evidence to prove some hypothesis.

As I've already said, not even any of the Nazi's discovered this. It was sitting online since January and it took till now for someone who I presume is left-wing to screencap it and share it on Twitter. THEN it appears the right-wing and Nazi camps started taking credit for it, claiming it's real, or some of them are simply mocking the left saying we are conspiracy theorists (yes, the irony).

It must have been a Nazi "intern" to get coded language shared via a press release and have it take this long to be found. Or, we now enter the era of Where's Wally (or Where's Waldo for anyone who had it called that) and people out there are currently furiously staying up all night looking through every single .html on that server to find all the other messages. I mean, why would there just be one on a random page, right? There has to be LOTS. Lets get finding them all!

 

[4859]

Several right-wing conservatives are clearly nazis but do they have enough self-awareness to identify as nazis? Would they really purposefully put in nazi imagery?

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If they actually have any self awareness, or any manner of self preservation, no, they would never risk this.

This isn't some high up official, even if they do believe it.

This some stupid little no name shit with some typing or editing job.

 

[Deleted member 888]

If they actually have any self awareness, or any manner of self preservation, no, they would never risk this.

This isn't some high up official, even if they do believe it.

This some stupid little no name shit with some typing or editing job.

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Someone on Era might be in the fortunate enough position to let you know how Government ran websites are actually edited and uploaded. Personally, I doubt it's a 17-year-old locked in a cupboard uploading them, but, who knows?

I always imagined sizeable teams would be behind handling Government ran websites and processing the text and/or numbers that would be in them.

 

[ArrogantBastard]

Why do they shitpost on 4chan all day?

Why would they take a cartoon frog and turn it into a nazi symbol to laugh at?

Why brigade subreddits with racist memes?

They do it because they are depraved and its humorous to them to make people upset and to have a shared laugh. Have you heard of the Million Dollar Extreme show? That whole show was just dogwhistles and that audience ate up all the little nudges and nods. It's gross stuff so I won't post it but you can look it up, it's a perfect representation of what they do, look up the "Jews Rock" skit where they put a "Life Rune" into the background. It's stuff like that that gets them off because they can't come right out and say it, ad then they run to 4chan or other sites to post it and everyone laughs and talks about what an awesome "red pill" it was.

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I get that, I do, I just don't think everything is for the lulz. It also falls apart rather quickly when you actually look into it, specifically the 88. Not to mention what Audioboxer just said, that this thing sat on the net without anyone saying anything about it for four months.

 

[RedMercury]

This is true, but they aren't behind everything. Sometimes unfortunate coincidences happen and we can't just always say "I bet 4chan is behind this with one of their ploys" if we're scrounging for evidence to prove some hypothesis.

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Nobody ever said they were behind everything, just that a Nazi is behind this. I guess if you don't buy it we have no choice but to disagree.

I mean, why would there just be one on a random page, right? There has to be LOTS. Lets get finding them all!

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Or there isn't and it's just this one because it's entirely conceivable it's just this one. You're equating it to some vast conspiracy in order to diminish it when it doesn't have to be that at all, you don't have to take it that far.

I will say in your favor though it is surprising nobody took credit for it, because they would absolutely do that I think, they would want to brag about inserting it somewhere even if they didn't get specific.

 

[ZOONAMI]

I get that, I do, I just don't think everything is for the lulz. It also falls apart rather quickly when you actually look into it, specifically the 88. Not to mention what Audioboxer just said, that this thing sat on the net without anyone saying anything about it for four months.

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I don't see how a timeline matters, and even if you do completely discount the 88, which is dumb in the first place as it seems like a deliberately cherry picked stat, "we must secure" combined with a 14 word title is suspect as fuck.

If you do include the intro the 88 occurs 14 paragraphs in.

A perfect 1488.

It could be a coincidence but given all of the above I highly doubt it.

You can attribute it to pattern finding if you want but we are talking about 14 words + "we must secure" + an 88 + that 88 occuring in the 14th paragraph. The odds of that are pretty slim just happening without any intentional effort by the person who wrote it.

That's 4 independent variables that well support this being a Nazi putting in work for some crypto Nazi shit at DHS.

 

[Deleted member 888]

Nobody ever said they were behind everything, just that a Nazi is behind this. I guess if you don't buy it we have no choice but to disagree.

Or there isn't and it's just this one because it's entirely conceivable it's just this one. You're equating it to some vast conspiracy in order to diminish it when it doesn't have to be that at all, you don't have to take it that far.

I will say in your favor though it is surprising nobody took credit for it, because they would absolutely do that I think, they would want to brag about inserting it somewhere even if they didn't get specific.

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But how do you know it's just one until you check? If there's a Nazi behind this I'd personally expect they'd now feel invigorated someone found their message after 5 months and they'd be firing out more all over the place. You really should keep an eye on every single webpage on that URL now.

I'm following the logical trail. Why would things stop now? They have the attention they were waiting for.

That's now my hypothesis. Can you prove me wrong? What's your evidence they aren't striking again as we speak?

 

[Wintermute]

fuck me you alls still at this? let me just pull out my bloody i ching

 

[4859]

Someone on Era might be in the fortunate enough position to let you know how Government ran websites are actually edited and uploaded. Personally, I doubt it's a 17-year-old locked in a cupboard uploading them, but, who knows?

I always imagined sizeable teams would be behind handling Government ran websites and processing the text and/or numbers that would be in them.

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Oh. Oh shit.

Hang on....

Fuck

That's me, medically retired former government.

Oh man. Bruuuuh....

You wouldn't believe the sketch ass rubberband shit we used to hold everything together. And that was before our federal administration was staffed by cartoon characters.

Yeah no man, it's not just websites, armored vehicle dispatching, firing range zoning, (funny, putting numbers wrong into a form results in sabo rounds in military housing living rooms.. whoopsie!!! Just a typo though, you'd think it would have been reviewed better) you wouldn't believe the amount of whoopsies we trace back to outsourced civilian contractors from a staffing firm. Good enough for government work right?

And THIS administration?

Get this, some dude just called in pretending to be senator Menendez, and got fucking Trump to call his phone back! Got him to say a whole bunch of stupid shit.

Er... I mean, yeah it's a totally well oiled machine. That could never happen. Unthinkable.

 

[Deleted member 888]

Oh. Oh shit.

Hang on....

Fuck

That's me, medically retired former government.

Oh man. Bruuuuh....

You wouldn't believe the sketch ass rubberband shit we used to hold everything together. And that was before our federal administration was staffed by cartoon characters.

Yeah no man, it's not just websites, armored vehicle dispatching, firing range zoning, (funny, putting numbers wrong into a form results in sabo rounds in military housing living rooms.. whoopsie!!! Just a typo though, you'd think it would have been reviewed better) you wouldn't believe the amount of whoopsies we trace back to outsourced civilian contractors from a staffing firm. Good enough for government work right?

And THIS administration?

Get this, some dude just called in pretending to be senator Menendez, and got fucking Trump to call his phone back! Got him to say a whole bunch of stupid shit.

Er... I mean, yeah it's a totally well oiled machine. That could never happen. Unthinkable.

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I don't know if this is satire or not?

I was asking seriously (to understand how Government websites are moderated), unlike my post above which is... clearly satire. Although, I am hoping it doesn't fly over people's heads and they see a grain of truth of what I said above. I used a lack of evidence to try and snooker another poster into having to agree my hypothesis COULD be real, so shouldn't be discounted.

 

[Aselith]

The Nazi is in the substance of their policy.

 

[4859]

I don't know if this is satire or not?

I was asking seriously (to understand how Government websites are moderated), unlike my post above which is... clearly satire. Although, I am hoping it doesn't fly over people's heads and they see a grain of truth of what I said above. I used a lack of evidence to try and snooker another poster into having to agree my hypothesis COULD be real, so shouldn't be discounted.

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It's sarcastic, of course.

Fucking everything I say is either absurd or sarcastic. Or both. And worse, often true.

Yes, I am retired government. From combat arms to cid, to fort living room.


Yeah its not like the movies in there.

The website is likely moderated by a civilian contractor. A cheap one.

Same with the person who they would likely delegate parsing and presenting the information they wanted put into that release.

Sold to the lowest bidder.

Doubt that's changed.

 

[RedMercury]

I'm following the logical trail. Why would things stop now? They have the attention they were waiting for.

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They got what they wanted, tons of buzz on twitter, and right now would be the worst time to do more when people are gonna be looking for more examples. One looks like a coincidence, more than that looks deliberate, they have to maintain plausible deniability.

 

[Deleted member 888]

They got what they wanted, tons of buzz on twitter, and right now would be the worst time to do more when people are gonna be looking for more examples. One looks like a coincidence, more than that looks deliberate, they have to maintain plausible deniability.

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Right on, I need to understand how to do this better.

BUT, I must search and check my hypothesis. I am scouring the site right now. Who knows how long this person has been active?

I found "We must secure our borders" in 2009

https://www.dhs.gov/blog/2009/06/08/departments-five-responsibilities

I also found the number 1488 goodness knows how many times

Including someone uploading pictures in a resolution of 1488

Now, why would they upload a picture in a resolution with 1488? Why not do 1080p like normal people would?

I even managed to find this

"Report words 14".... Report 14 words.

Trying to report 14 words to the world. I can see it.

I'm finding plenty of evidence that whoever is doing this has been at it for a long time.

 

[4859]

Right on, I need to understand how to do this better.

BUT, I must search and check my hypothesis. I am scouring the site right now. Who knows how long this person has been active?

I found "We must secure our borders" in 2009

https://www.dhs.gov/blog/2009/06/08/departments-five-responsibilities

I also found the number 1488 goodness knows how many times

Including someone uploading pictures in a resolution of 1488

Now, why would they upload a picture in a resolution with 1488? Why not do 1080p like normal people would?

I even managed to find this

"Report words 14".... Report 14 words.

Trying to report 14 words to the world. I can see it.

I'm finding plenty of evidence that whoever is doing this has been at it for a long time.

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You already know none of that means anything, and you already know why.

This is a very specific thing.

 

[Deleted member 888]

You already know none of that means anything, and you already know why.

This is a very specific thing.

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Why does it not mean anything?

Also

DHS, however, dismissed the theory: "This is a Twitter troll conspiracy theory that on its face is beneath any credible media outlet," a spokesperson for the department said in a statement.

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DHS officials did not immediately comment on why they would use 88 instead of something standard like 100, which would offer a more clear percentage. However, Reuters reported, citing US Citizenship and Immigration Services data between July and September 2016, immigration officers accepted roughly 88% of the claims of credible fear needed for asylum applications to move forward.

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https://www.buzzfeed.com/blakemontg...atement-theory?utm_term=.uaqPK5LA1#.oq7QM3b2x

Maybe Reuters are in on all of this as well. I guess we should search their website!

And this Chris Hayes bloke, it's suspect downplaying this

 

[MIMIC]

It's enough to make me incredibly suspicious, but not enough to be absolutely sure about it.

 

[4859]

Why does it not mean anything?

Also





https://www.buzzfeed.com/blakemontg...atement-theory?utm_term=.uaqPK5LA1#.oq7QM3b2x

Maybe Reuters are in on all of this as well. I guess we should search their website!

And this , it's suspect downplaying this

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Yes, I already have the garbage response,, and have explained why this administrations terrible response is not fucking normal for this kind of mistake.

Chris Hayes doesn't really seem to understand or adress the problem.

The number of bullet points isn't necessary. The important thing is the number of words in the statement started with 'we must secure'. This alone is a big deal.

The reason why 88 is used is irrelevant.

Even so the way it's used doesn't really make much sense. It's not used with any manner of proper context, it seems to be snipped mid sentence, and why is the number of defensive asylums grants used, instead of the total number if asylum grants? Ie defensive + assertive. There were 24,000 assertive grants, and only 8,000 something defensive grants. This is stupid out of place incomplete useless information.

I mean it's done like shit, this looks like it was prepared by an idiot, but it doesn't really matter where the numbers come from, they don't need to be made up. Because it's being paired with the mother of all 14 word drops.

This is a big fucking deal, and if it WAS a mistake, this shit would be somebodies ass, a very short while ago. You don't mistakes like this. Not handwaved away in a completely unacceptable response.

 

[RedMercury]

I found "We must secure our borders" in 2009

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Cool, how many being with "We must secure" and have 14 words in the title and a reference to 88 in the body and 13 bullet points plus one bolded point, and let's say within the past 3 years to parallel the rise of Nazism in America where this is more likely to happen?

You already know none of that means anything, and you already know why.

This is a very specific thing.

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Of course.

 

[Deleted member 888]

Yes, I already have the garbage response,, and have explained why this administrations terrible response is not fucking normal for this kind of mistake.

Chris Hayes doesn't really seem to understand or adress the problem.

The number of bullet points isn't necessary. The important thing is the number of words in the statement started with 'we must secure'. This alone is a big deal.

The reason why 88 is used is irrelevant.

Even so the way it's used doesn't really make much sense. It's not used with any manner of proper context, it seems to be snipped mid sentence, and why is the number of defensive asylums grants used, instead of the total number if asylum grants? Ie defensive + assertive. There were 24,000 assertive grants, and only 8,000 something defensive grants. This is stupid out of place incomplete useless information.

I mean it's done like shit, this looks like it was prepared by an idiot, but it doesn't really matter where the numbers come from, they don't need to be made up. Because it's being paired with the mother of all 14 word drops.

This is a big fucking deal, and if it WAS a mistake, this shit would be somebodies ass, a very short while ago. You don't mistakes like this. Not handwaved away in a completely unacceptable response.

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I legit don't know if you're simply trying to troll this community now. How... what.... huh?

The reason why 88 is used is irrelevant.

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The reason why the number is used that we're saying is part of a hidden Nazi propaganda piece is... irrelevant?

Yeah... that's kind of usually how this works. People might see something and ask "why is that used?". Then you know, usually when a reasonable answer comes along that makes the person happy?

I've been serious in this topic and had a bit of fun, but now I think I'm going to have to leave because this is turning into complete madness. I really don't know what is going on inside some of your heads, but respectfully, it's not very healthy. It's also completely wasting your own time and taking away from far more real issues you could be focussing on.

By the way, 4859 is the keycode for my secure box outside my house with my spare key. Imagine that! Must have been fate, right? Surely not a coincidence? Nah.

 

[Tremis]

Would it be out of line to request a vote about whether people think this is legit or not in the OP?

It would be interesting to see the responses.

I personally think this is a false positive.

 

[Aselith]

You already know none of that means anything, and you already know why.

This is a very specific thing.

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The thing is that all conspiracy theories are incredibly specific because once the mind gets racing, it doesn't stop. Again, this weird shit is not needed to prove their Nazi cred. We already know that from the policies that they enact.

 

[4859]

I legit don't know if you're simply trying to troll this community how. How... what.... huh?



The reason why the number used that we're saying is part of a hidden Nazi propaganda piece is... irrelevant.

Yeah... that's kind of usually how this works. People might see something and ask "why is that used?". Then you know, usually when a reasonable answer comes along that makes the person I dunno, happy?

I've been serious in this topic and had a bit of fun, but now I think I'm going to have to leave because this is turning into complete madness.

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It doesn't matter where they fished the number from. Although it is extremely out of place and context, i mean if your entire point is what a strain all these asylum seekers are, why would you pull statistics from the smallest group, the defensive asylum seekers of 8,000, and not the assertive asylum grants of 24,000, or combined asylum seekers of over 30,000 straining the ststem... but it doesn't matter.

it wouldn't raise an eyebrow beyond looking like shit if it weren't for the textbook we must secure 14 word drop.

But as soon as you have that and can ctrl f an 88...

Yeah, you've run the pool of coincidence possibilities a little too low.

The thing is that all conspiracy theories are incredibly specific because once the mind gets racing, it doesn't stop. Again, this weird shit is not needed to prove their Nazi cred. We already know that from the policies that they enact.

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It has nothing to do with proving nazi cred.

No conspiracy theories are incredibly specific. They are incredibly DETAILED, but very fluid. Able to twist turn and adapt at will. Like the things certain people here keep trying to do, but keep getting told no, this doesn't work that way.

This isn't a conpiracy theory, it's communication, so it needs to be able to be recognized by it's audience, and not passed off as coincidence. That's pretty easy to do when you are using a sticker or a tattoo....

But you need to stack if you want to mitigate your target missing your message, if you are trying to put some yucks somewhere they weren't supposed to be.

 

[msdstc]

Right on, I need to understand how to do this better.

BUT, I must search and check my hypothesis. I am scouring the site right now. Who knows how long this person has been active?

I found "We must secure our borders" in 2009

https://www.dhs.gov/blog/2009/06/08/departments-five-responsibilities

I also found the number 1488 goodness knows how many times

Including someone uploading pictures in a resolution of 1488

Now, why would they upload a picture in a resolution with 1488? Why not do 1080p like normal people would?

I even managed to find this

"Report words 14".... Report 14 words.

Trying to report 14 words to the world. I can see it.

I'm finding plenty of evidence that whoever is doing this has been at it for a long time.

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I'm tired... This is a joke right?

 

[Deleted member 888]

I'm tired... This is a joke right?

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In this topic, you wouldn't actually know, it seems.

But yes, it is. I was being a bit of a cheeky ass on purpose to show how far you can go to find numbers.

 

[Aselith]

I'm tired... This is a joke right?

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This entire thing is a joke. The slogan is enough to draw the parallel satisfactorily combined with how DHS is actually operating. The 1488 part makes you look like a nut job trying to pull a Hitler out of a hat.

Just make the solid connections and leave the stuff like that for your side eye. It will look much more credible.

 

[ArrogantBastard]

OMG. Look what I have uncovered:

May. 03, 2007 | 12:00 AM
We must secure the safety of journalists, the vanguard of our freedoms of expression

 

[4859]

I'm tired... This is a joke right?

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It's bait, but he doesn't understand why nobody is biting.

 

[nomis]

take all the fucking numbers out of the equation

the most well known instance of the phrase “We must secure...” in history is the 14 words, that was all I needed to see to know that this DHS statement was a dogwhistle. if you think otherwise then I congratulate you for not being poisoned by the knowledge of white supremacist ideology and rhetoric, but don’t call a red flag like this confirmation bias, because you’re flatly wrong IN THIS CASE.

 

[Deleted member 888]

take all the fucking numbers out of the equation

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Exactly, white supremacist Nazi Janet Napolitano working under Obama.

https://www.dhs.gov/blog/2009/06/08/departments-five-responsibilities

We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children

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We must secure our borders

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OMG. Look what I have uncovered:

May. 03, 2007 | 12:00 AM
We must secure the safety of journalists, the vanguard of our freedoms of expression

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Wait a minute.... that even has 14 numbers. Damn.

Koichiro Matsuura director general of UNESCO on the occasion of World Press Freedom Day on May 3, 2007.

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UNESCO in on it too.

How about we tackle Trump and his administration realistically and on things that are actually happening? I swear one day some of you will look back on this Twitter outburst and honestly think "what was I thinking?". Hopefully, by then Trump is gone, I'll say that.

It’s not a coincidence or a mistake.

Even without the 14 word header, the use of “out of 88” is blatant.

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Yes, blatantly explained

 

[Barry Sandwich]

Dismissing the 14 word header, the use of “out of 88” is very suspicious.

 

[killdatninja]

Anyone in this thread downplaying this can suck my dick.

Coincidence or not, it doesn't fucking matter. What matters is that the fucking nut job white supremacists will view this as a call to arms. These people believe the pizza gate conspiracy for fuck sake, why wouldn't they view this as a message directed to them?

 

[Barry Sandwich]

Yes, blatantly explained

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Chris Hayes doesn’t understand.

It isn’t 14 bullet points and it’s not 88%.

It’s 14 words using the same phrasing. And the awkward use of “Out of 88, less than 13...” - which to reiterate, is not 88%. Why would you use a statistic out of 88?!

His tweet is moronic.

 

[ArrogantBastard]

Anyone in this thread downplaying this can suck my dick.

Coincidence or not, it doesn't fucking matter. What matters is that the fucking nut job white supremacists will view this as a call to arms. These people believe the pizza gate conspiracy for fuck sake, why wouldn't they view this as a message directed to them?

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So the truth doesn't matter, its just what they latch onto. You know what they viewed as a call to arms, Trump being elected in the first place. Trump saying about Charlottesville that both sides were to blame.

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You were so right.

 

[Deleted member 888]

Anyone in this thread downplaying this can suck my dick.

Coincidence or not, it doesn't fucking matter. What matters is that the fucking nut job white supremacists will view this as a call to arms. These people believe the pizza gate conspiracy for fuck sake, why wouldn't they view this as a message directed to them?

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Do you realize the irony in saying that? That's exactly what the conspiracy theory nuts on the right would say "Coincidence or not, it doesn't fucking matter". Yeah, objective truth doesn't matter when all you care about is pushing agenda. Imagine that.

"We want pizzagate to be real, so we'll make it real by pushing it as our agenda!"

Then... you've gone on and admitted that

why wouldn't they view this as a message directed to them?

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So how about WE have some integrity and show WE are above conspiracy theories and WE do care about something being a coincidence versus being objectively true?

I'm not even fucking American and watching this unfold is doing my head in as it appears to be melting the brains of people I'd called allies as they're on the left, or left-leaning or whatever you want me to refer to you as. Honestly, I'll put it out there again, some of you are going to wake up in 6 months, or maybe even another 72 hours, and question your susceptibility to go down the rabbit hole.

Please try and sort your country out, without resorting to time and resources over things that are 99.9% a sideshow of nonsense.

 

[Kinthey]

Chris Hayes doesn’t understand.

It isn’t 14 bullet points and it’s not 88%.

It’s 14 words using the same phrasing. And the awkward use of “Out of 88, less than 13...” - which to reiterate, is not 88%. Why would you use a statistic out of 88?!

His tweet is moronic.

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Isn't that just simple phrasing? They could have also written "out of the 88% percent that pass, less than 13%..." The former is just a more practical phrasing.

 

[sleepInsom]

Anyone in this thread downplaying this can suck my dick.

Coincidence or not, it doesn't fucking matter. What matters is that the fucking nut job white supremacists will view this as a call to arms. These people believe the pizza gate conspiracy for fuck sake, why wouldn't they view this as a message directed to them?

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I’ll combat their crazy conspiracy theories with my crazy conspiracy theories! That’ll show em! Also, what is even the message? What important piece of information is this supposed to convey that hasn’t A) already been known; and B) couldn’t have been conveyed in a number of better ways? You don’t even know. You’re like a dog chasing a breeze.

 

[Ravensmash]

Anyone in this thread downplaying this can suck my dick.

Coincidence or not, it doesn't fucking matter. What matters is that the fucking nut job white supremacists will view this as a call to arms. These people believe the pizza gate conspiracy for fuck sake, why wouldn't they view this as a message directed to them?

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Of course it does, lol.

Why does the beliefs of a subsection of Internet conspiracy theorists bear so much relevance that its allowed to distort truth?

Why are they so important that they're allowed to set the narrative?

This thread (and not your post btw, just in general) is exhausting to read.

I used to read conspiracy forums as a bit of a guilty pleasure (back when conspiracies were somewhat more harmless) and some of the leaps in here are straight out of that bag.

Audioboxer is doing some good work in here though.

 

[4859]

I

Do you realize the irony in saying that? That's exactly what the conspiracy theory nuts on the right would say "Coincidence or not, it doesn't fucking matter". Yeah, objective truth doesn't matter when all you care about is pushing agenda. Imagine that.

"We want pizzagate to be real, so we'll make it real by pushing it as our agenda!"

Then... you've gone on and admitted that



So how about WE have some integrity and show WE are above conspiracy theories and WE do care about something being a coincidence versus being objectively true?

I'm not even fucking American and watching this unfold is doing my head in as it appears to be melting the brains of people I'd called allies as they're on the left, or left-leaning or whatever you want me to refer to you as. Honestly, I'll put it out there again, some of you are going to wake up in 6 months, or maybe even another 72 hours, and question your susceptibility to go down the rabbit hole.

Please try and sort your country out, without resorting to time and resources over things that are 99.9% a sideshow of nonsense.

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The problem with this is these are not equivalent situations.

These are not random people on message boards doing this.

Their are shit tons of far more overt uses of this symbology easily found all over the internet, I could bring up dozens of examples in seconds. But nobody is pointing at that shit.

Because it doesn't matter, it's not from a platform of power.

Having shit like this spread from a platform in power, even if it's not meant literally, is extremely irresponsible and dangerous.

The department of homeland security dropping a 1488 is extremely irresponsible and dangerous, even if it was an accidental coincidence, and it needs to be fixed, before it boosts the morale and energizes dangerous people to finally go out and do things they wouldn't have felt they had the 'support' to do before.

That's why it doesn't matter whether it was an accident or not.

Because their is a huge difference, between random idiots on a message board making up idiotic pizzagate conspiracies, and people in positions of power joining in on it.

The 50 something year old guy who brought his gun to cosmic ping pong, he didn't know what the fuck 4chan was. Dude probably never even been on a message board.

But he loves watching him some fox and following his favourite figurehead on the tweeter, and they done told him there was a child prosteetution ring in that there restaurant, and he wasn't gonna let Hillary get away with treating those kids like animals.

There is a huge difference, between random idiots making shit up, and someone with a platform and a position of power, putting that same information up their. Even if they don't really believe it, it's just entertainment, theyre just an actor.

Or if the department of homeland security accidentally drops a textbook Nazi shutout with all the trimmings.

Even if it was an accident, when you are working at that level of extremely high responsibility, you are accountable for the way things are perceived.

So it doesn't matter if it was an accident. Neo Nazis are celebrating your message, and getting morale for a philosophy that was custom designed to murder and drive out your citizens.

You're still responsible for that shit.

This is not equivalent to chanshits fucking around on a message board.

 

[Particle Physicist]

The thing about this, is that the document uses the exact same verbiage as a well known neonazi slogan. If it was just the numbers it would be one thing, but the combination of the verbiage and the numbers which neonazis love makes this plausible.

Unfortunately we also have stuff like this:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ex...leaders-dont-have-duty-to-condemn-hate.52420/

This may all be some sort of coincidence, but this administration and the people involved with it are clearly racist.

 

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The problem with this is these are not equivalent situations.

These are not random people on message boards doing this.

Their are shit tons of far more overt uses of this symbology easily found all over the internet, I could bring up dozens of examples in seconds. But nobody is pointing at that shit.

Because it doesn't matter, it's not from a platform of power.

Having shit like this spread from a platform in power, even if it's not meant literally, is extremely irresponsible and dangerous.

The department of homeland security dropping a 1488 is extremely irresponsible and dangerous, even if it was an accidental coincidence, and it needs to be fixed, before it boosts the morale and energizes dangerous people to finally go out and do things they wouldn't have felt they had the 'support' to do before.

That's why it doesn't matter whether it was an accident or not.

Because their is a huge difference, between random idiots on a message board making up idiotic pizzagate conspiracies, and people in positions of power joining in on it.

The 50 something year old guy who brought his gun to cosmic ping pong, he didn't know what the fuck 4chan was. Dude probably never even been on a message board.

But he loves watching him some fox and following his favourite figurehead on the tweeter, and they done told him there was a child prosteetution ring in that there restaurant, and he wasn't gonna let Hillary get away with treating those kids like animals.

There is a huge difference, between random idiots making shit up, and someone with a platform and a position of power, putting that same information up their. Even if they don't really believe it, it's just entertainment, theyre just an actor.

Or if the department of homeland security accidentally drops a textbook Nazi shutout with all the trimmings.

Even if it was an accident, when you are working at that level of extremely high responsibility, you are accountable for the way things are perceived.

So it doesn't matter if it was an accident. Neo Nazis are celebrating your message, and getting morale for a philosophy that was custom designed to murder and drive out your citizens.

You're still responsible for that shit.

This is not equivalent to chanshits fucking around on a message board.

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I appreciate a lengthy response, but the fundamental disagreement I have and won't get over is, it totally matters to me if something is a coincidence.

That is my primary care when it comes to pattern seeking or any fallacies around it. I'm in the field of psychology so all of this is a large area of study for me. It's something that has plagued humans since the beginning of time and still does now. We're pattern seekers, okay, so, it's best if we make sure when looking at patterns, especially around numbers, objective truth matters. Is it random? Is it a pattern? Why is it a pattern? Is it man-made? Is it nature? What influences are there? Etc, etc.

Therefore, if something is a coincidence, it completely changes how it's discussed. Or it should, because if it doesn't, that's often how conspiracy theories are born and spread like memes.

Social media has been one of the best and worst things to ever happen to humanity. All of our inherent flaws and behavioural pattern seeking gets hit like a truck using social media. Before you know it thousands of people can retweet something which can be complete nonsense to goodness knows how many eyes. This is especially why conspiracy theories can be dangerous in the internet age.

 

[Barry Sandwich]

Isn't that just simple phrasing? They could have also written "out of the 88% percent that pass, less than 13%..." The former is just a more practical phrasing.

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No. Do you understand numbers and percentages?

The quote is

“On average, out of 88 claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 13 will ultimately result in a grant of asylum.”

THERE IS NO 88% IN THIS CONTEXT. AT ALL.

Furthermore if you’re publishing statistics, you wouldn’t do it out of 88. You’d say 14.7% or rather:

“On average, out of 100 claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 15 will ultimately result in a grant of asylum.”

Sorry to be rude, but this is basic. The author chose 88 as a denominator intentionally.

 

[ArrogantBastard]

No. Do you understand numbers and percentages?

The quote is

“On average, out of 88 claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 13 will ultimately result in a grant of asylum.”

THERE IS NO 88% IN THIS CONTEXT. AT ALL.

Furthermore if you’re publishing statistics, you wouldn’t do it out of 88. You’d say 14.7% or rather:

“On average, out of 100 claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 15 will ultimately result in a grant of asylum.”

Sorry to be rude, but this is basic. The author chose 88 as a denominator intentionally.

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The author chose the number because it has been used countless time when reporting on that exact statistic.

Yep, and if you think this was really an 88, simply explain the following, this was from the DHS briefing.

On average, out of 88 claims that pass the credible fear screening...

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These are all used in speeches, court cases, investigations, and journalism discussing immigration:

And the adjudication process is broken as well. DHS found a credible fear in 88 percent of claims adjudicated. That means an alien entering the United States illegally has an 88 percent chance to avoid expedited removal simply by claiming a fear of return.

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In 2015, 88 percent of families who had been placed in expedited removal proceedings and expressed a fear of return passed their initial credible fear screenings.

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So whereas approximately 88% of parole requests made by people who passed a credible fear interview were granted during the first nine months of 2015 (the most recent period for which data are available), only 8% of such requests appear to have been granted from the beginning of 2017 until the filing of this lawsuit on July 28, 2017

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The three countries have continued to experience a surge in gang violence and organized crime along with impunity for perpetrators. Over the last three years on average, 88 percent of families passed their credible fear screening—a screening that determines if an asylum seeker has a credible fear of persecution.

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[TyrantGuardian]

Of course it does, lol.

Why does the beliefs of a subsection of Internet conspiracy theorists bear so much relevance that its allowed to distort truth?

Why are they so important that they're allowed to set the narrative?

This thread (and not your post btw, just in general) is exhausting to read.

I used to read conspiracy forums as a bit of a guilty pleasure (back when conspiracies were somewhat more harmless) and some of the leaps in here are straight out of that bag.

Audioboxer is doing some good work in here though.

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Because these calls to arms are literally pushing these people to committing terrorist acts? What rock have you been living under and oh god please let me join you because I can't take this any more.

 

[Kinthey]

No. Do you understand numbers and percentages?

The quote is

“On average, out of 88 claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 13 will ultimately result in a grant of asylum.”

THERE IS NO 88% IN THIS CONTEXT. AT ALL.

Furthermore if you’re publishing statistics, you wouldn’t do it out of 88. You’d say 14.7% or rather:

“On average, out of 100 claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 15 will ultimately result in a grant of asylum.”

Sorry to be rude, but this is basic. The author chose 88 as a denominator intentionally.

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Why should they bother to convert the statistic to a 100%? If you leave it 88% you also know how many don't pass the screening. Also the 88 comes from the official stats, https://lta.reuters.com/article/idLTAL1N1FZ27Q, that's what being referenced.

 

[sleepInsom]

Because these calls to arms are literally pushing these people to committing terrorist acts? What rock have you been living under and oh god please let me join you because I can't take this any more.

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Call to arms? Christ. There is no call to arms here. Learn how language works. Why do they need to try to hide this shit when they can already so issue explicit actual call to arms that doesn’t require an enigma machine which was cracked in 4 seconds flat?

 

[Barry Sandwich]

The author chose the number because it has been used countless time when reporting on that exact statistic.

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Did the author release a statement?

 

[TyrantGuardian]

Call to arms? Christ.

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Nazis are, as a matter of indisputable fact, taking it that way. What's your plan to deal with that?

 

[ArrogantBastard]

Did the author release a statement?

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How about you address the quotes that I provided that cite the exact same statistic in the context that it was used.

They come from immigration court cases, a statement from the AG, immigration journalism, and a Reuters article.

I guess everyone is caught up in this neo-nazi dog whistle, they all are dropping an 88.