The IOC set a limit to the allowed testosterone levels in female athlete that is below what some women have naturally.
I agree naturally high levels are not the same as “doping”. However, isn’t there an issue that you cannot tell the difference between someone with naturally high levels and someone with naturally lower levels that “dopes” to push their levels right to the limit?
OK I see. I assumed that the word "naturally" was being used loosely.
No, the IOC established guidelines that are inclusive for trans people. Why should they be othered?
No, this is silly. They’re women.
That would be super transphobic, and this story is about cis women being gatekept from competing.
They set a level that is higher than a woman naturally produces so most woman would pass, those that fail are given a chance to explain and usually its cheating but there are the rare individuals that do have biological conditions that naturally show higher than normal testasterone in their bodies. Those woman are given an option to take blockers to supress them to stay within the limit. Which is bulshit they should not have to be forced to take drugs that will do who knows what to their bodies to compete.
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If you have any familiarity with endurance training you will understand that things like VO2 max can differentiate two cardio based athletes. There are some people who are born with just the natural ability to handle things like VO2 and lactic build (iirc Phelps was one of these people) and we don’t do anything to limit levels on that.
Should we just stop dividing athletes by gender at all then? Trans who identifies as women will have an advantage and those who identify as men will have a disadvantage as it stands now right?
You’re being straight up transphobic and using bullshit dog whistling. There are actual studies on this that fully disprove it.
Got examples or research of this advantage of trans woman and disadvantage of trans men.
Yeah, VO2 max is something you can adjust with exercise (and drugs) but there will always be people born on the higher end of that scale, and you just kinda have to deal with it in athletic competition. Some people have genetic gifts that help them compete.
You mean like a separate but equal class ?
More the latter. They essentially have established ranges for what is "normal" for men and women
This really isn't true in general. HRT and the uniqueness of the human body from person to person has shown that there aren't hordes of transwomen out here smashing records.
There shouldn't be two sets of rules though. If a transwoman wants to compete she is required to maintain a testosterone level below 5 nmol/L, but if someone is cis the sky should be the limit?
Well these women are CIS, and the IOC established the rules so that transgender athletes could compete without ire of the community. The issue is the rule also directly impacts CIS women.
Definitely wouldn't want any rules meant to be inclusive of trans people to affect cis people? Obviously trans people should be the only ones making accommodations for the rules?
What is your angle here? I don’t even know what you’re trying to say or implying that I’m saying.
"If a few black women have to suffer then who cares?"
Reductive? People are advocating for the rules to only apply to transwomen.
The rule is stupid period. We’re arguing with people who like to stand on the “well what’s fair” soapbox.
Why is a rule meant to be inclusive of transwomen stupid?
Well, you did say:
I know you didn't mean it that way, but it's pretty unfortunate wording to mention cis women being impacted as being "the" issue, singular, as if it wasn't an issue at all otherwise.
I don't think the goal is to make competition completely level.
The article didn't say what their testosterone levels where but I doubt it would be that high for it to be significantly more. Even if they had twice the upper limit of testosterone, 10nmol, that's not that much compared to people injecting. Like the lowest "normal" level for men naturally is around 250nmol.
