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Huh? It's not a negative article. It's just stating that two porno games are top earners, which we have to admit, is unusual in those being so succesful on a plataform with AAA and indie titles. He even jokingly praises the games names.

It's just an informative piece. Not every article has to be about outrage, and the fact that the article does not praise steam does not mean it's negative about the store.

Edit: Also, please note that the list is about "revenue generated during the first two weeks after release." and not concurrent players.

Thank you, I was starting to think I was going crazy here. It's not a particularly negative article at all, and I think it's interesting specifically because Steam has been really inconsistent on how to allow adult content on its platform. I mean I would say if the games in question sound kinda crummy from his description, well, maybe there's a reason for that
 

Pixieking

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So wait are you arguing that his assumption that the majority of users are men is incorrect or are you agreeing and just being pedantic over word choice

He didn't say "the majority of users are men", which I would agree with. I'm arguing that his use of the word "dominated" is inherently negative, and comes across as unknowing and arrogant:

It's no huge shock. These games cater primarily to straight men's sexual fantasies, and Steam is a platform dominated by men.

The implication of dominant is that an overwhelming number of Steam gamers are men, which may (or may not) be true, but I don't believe he has the demographic data to back-up his claim. Also, it should be noted that "men" is different to "boys". One group is legally allowed to access adult material, the other is not. Lumping all males together because it proves his point is... Not a great thing to do.
 
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Unless he has demographic data to back-up his claim, the implication of dominant is that an overwhelming number of Steam gamers are men. Which may (or may not) be true. Also, it shoudl be noted that "men" is different to "boys". One group is legally allowed to access adult material, the other is not.

I dunno. I mean I suspect that a lot of the naysayers here are not particularly interested in Galyonkin's statistics these days but he seemed to imply here that there's a vast disparity in gender for people regularly using the store, at least for people who have gender identification on from their internet services. That's probably indicative of something, and would be consistent though obviously not outright confirmation that men are doing the majority of the purchases on steam.
 

Pixieking

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I dunno. I mean I suspect that a lot of the naysayers here are not particularly interested in Galyonkin's statistics these days but he seemed to imply here that there's a vast disparity in gender for people regularly using the store, at least for people who have gender identification on from their internet services. That's probably indicative of something, and would be consistent though obviously not outright confirmation that men are doing the majority of the purchases on steam.

Yeah, that's fair. But it seems unnecessary for him to note that, without backing it up. Like, if I wrote that sentence for an essay at uni, I'd be marked down for not referencing it. And as you yourself just proved, it wasn't hard to find a link to backup the claim. :/
 

Madjoki

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I dunno. I mean I suspect that a lot of the naysayers here are not particularly interested in Galyonkin's statistics these days but he seemed to imply here that there's a vast disparity in gender for people regularly using the store, at least for people who have gender identification on from their internet services. That's probably indicative of something, and would be consistent though obviously not outright confirmation that men are doing the majority of the purchases on steam.
48% being unknown means significant error margin and also requiring alexa spyware installed and Google account for sniffing gender screws results.

Web tracer would also screw heavily towards community users.

So women who play, but don't engage in Steam community wouldn't count.

So I don't think it has any meaning towards who play games on Steam. At all.

I don't think Steam collects gender. So even Valve probably doesn't have idea.
 

SapientWolf

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Huh? It's not a negative article. It's just stating that two porno games are top earners, which we have to admit, is unusual in those being so succesful on a plataform with AAA and indie titles. He even jokingly praises the games names.

It's just an informative piece. Not every article has to be about outrage, and the fact that the article does not praise steam does not mean it's negative about the store.

Edit: Also, please note that the list is about "revenue generated during the first two weeks after release." and not concurrent players.
Custom Order Maid, on the other hand, is about managing a maid-themed bar where "gentlemen come and gather." The premise: Your uncle hands you the keys to an establishment that's in serious debt, and then he skips town. The main appeal to many, however, seems to be the ability to customize the maids who work at the bar, and—if you download a patch from adult gaming platform Nutaku—have sex with them. "In this game, you play god and fuck your own creations, thumbs up," reads one Steam review. It is, in so many ways, Steam's problematic id, laid bare.
The author of the article is implying that it's problematic for Valve to cater to these types of tastes. It's certainly not a neutral take. Especially considering that the other top releases are ignored to belabor that point.
 

Pixieking

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The more I think on the piece, the more it becomes apparent that it's just a prude who's disingenuously using the relative lack of LGBTQ+ erotica/porn to slam Valve/Steam. It really is pretty gross.
 

PC-tan

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Not to mention Subverse.
Depending on how "good" Subverse is (gameplay wise since it does actually have that and the R18+ stuff) it likely will sell a lot, it's currently one of the top 25 most wishlisted upcoming games on Steam right now (I can't recall the exact number though), and there is also MGI which has a free demo and that has over 5k reviews, so a lot of people are looking forward to that game as well.
 

KeRaSh

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I see. EasyAllies Phase 4 is even affecting Steam sales numbers.
 

Kyougar

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They're all shovelware. Porn games are some of the worst made games ever, yet they sell like crazy. Come on pervs, have some standards, demand better!

Sex games and racey Visual Novels do need a strong and safe platform to make better games. If they are successful on Steam and have little to fear regarding bans (or rather a strong guideline what is ok and what not) there will be better games in the coming years.
 

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Good for the devs, I guess? I just have adult games filtered out on my client so it's not really like I would see them being top games when browsing the store.
 

DevilMayGuy

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The article says:


Nowhere do they say "there are no LGBTQ games on steam". It's nothing more than an opinion piece about the heteronormative (and from the male perspective) focus of sex games being published on Steam. It's not a commentary on the platform itself. There is undeniably way more pornographic content for straight men, and I'd guess even some of the games under the LGBTQ+ tag (+sexual content) are created for straight men.
Okay, but is the fact that the majority of games cater to the largest portion of the market (heteronormative males) newsworthy? This seems like a totally worthless article.
 

PC-tan

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Wait, it's owned by Pornhub? First time hearing about it, but I only heard the store name thrown around - never bothered to check.
I could be wrong but I do remember reading about I somewhere about how pornhub has ventured into multiple business. It might not be that site but I do don't remember the article mention that PB owns some game site (store) that does erotic content.
 

Acidote

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I would never play any of this yet I'm completely fine with people doing it and Steam having a proper category/settings for them.
 

Tomasdk

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Games that sell make top games list, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be surprised here at.
 

Sidebuster

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Don't the games have to be censored on Steam? Like they don't actually show anything?

If that's the case, how can these games be any different than downloading a Skyrim porn mod? (that is, if they have to be patched for full hentai mode)
 

Candescence

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This article isn't worth taking seriously, and written by someone with a rampant hate-boner for Steam.

"Sex sells" is a golden rule that still applies here, so it really shouldn't be a surprise that lewd games are selling well. Steam's content rules changing to permit adult content is frankly an overall positive, I'd argue, and it's a huge step towards legitimizing adult games as far as the industry is concerned, as storefronts have traditionally refused to stock X-rated games and the console manufacturers have refused to approve them (albeit for understandable reasons for a big chunk of the industry's history, what with moral panics and such, and video games having been seen as a toy for kids for years, and some people still think of them as such). But Steam could actually pave the way towards more adult content for folks who want it - I can see certain games getting X-rated content exclusively on PC, possibly as separate free DLC.

If Mortal Kombat can get away with its gore porn, I say let the regular porn have its place alongside it. Adult content can bring more to the table than just mindless fap material.

Don't the games have to be censored on Steam? Like they don't actually show anything?
Nope, that got changed a while back after a huge kerfuffle involving several visual novels being nearly delisted - as long as the content isn't illegal, the games are appropriately marked as adult and the type of content is clearly disclosed on the game's store page, adult games can be as raunchy as they want now on Steam.
 
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elyetis

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Don't the games have to be censored on Steam? Like they don't actually show anything?
Not anymore, depending on the content.

Some still do it either for more visibility ( since people need to opt-in to see sex stuff ) or because they fear to be still rejected by valve ( curation/moderation mean that some games somehow get in while others don't ).
 

Praxis

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How explicit are these games? I don't want some tame titillation, show me the goods. Does Steam even allow that kind of stuff?
 

Sidebuster

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Nope, that got changed a while back after a huge kerfuffle involving several visual novels being nearly delisted - as long as the content isn't illegal, the games are appropriately marked as adult and the type of content is clearly disclosed on the game's store page, adult games can be as raunchy as they want now on Steam.
Not anymore, depending on the content.
Some still do it either for more visibility ( since people need to opt-in to see sex stuff ) or because they fear to be still rejected by valve ( curation/moderation mean that some games somehow get in while others don't ).

Huh. That's fine I guess. I wonder if we'll ever treat pretend sex with less disgust than we do pretend murder.
 

aliengmr

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How explicit are these games? I don't want some tame titillation, show me the goods. Does Steam even allow that kind of stuff?
Yes it does, and it's explicit. It's still early, but I imagine that adult games are going to grow as a result of Steam opening the flood gates.

That the cue for any indie devs looking to break in. There's no shame in catering to a demand, all the better if you bring talent as well.
 

Candescence

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Not anymore, depending on the content.

Some still do it either for more visibility ( since people need to opt-in to see sex stuff ) or because they fear to be still rejected by valve ( curation/moderation mean that some games somehow get in while others don't ).
To my knowledge, the main sticking point is "possible pedo bait". Problem is, with adult anime games, the stylization of characters makes this... Not as clear-cut as people would think.

How explicit are these games? I don't want some tame titillation, show me the goods. Does Steam even allow that kind of stuff?
See above, they do now.

Huh. That's fine I guess. I wonder if we'll ever treat pretend sex with less disgust than we do pretend murder.
Unfortunately that's gonna be a a cultural bias that will need concentrated pushback against if we'll want to see any progress in that area.
 

Vex

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I see nothing wrong with this. My only wish is that there is some sort of daddy game that comes out of this. Surely there is a market for that?

Just... a game full of video gaming's daddies that spontaneously flex for no reason and also this is a beach paradise game so they are all wearing Speedos you play minigames to unlock more daddywear and customization options for your daddies. Each has stat bonuses that boost certain attributes for particular minigames. Imagine hot Ryu and sailor Chris redfield wrestling each other in the sand and slamming each other? Imagine when they get all sandy you go-to a bonus area where you are in your showers and they embrace each other, washing off all remaining sand. They have to help each other get the sand off of their backs anyways.

Anyways, this is non news. More power to them.
 

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Wait, it's owned by Pornhub? First time hearing about it, but I only heard the store name thrown around - never bothered to check.
I could be wrong but I do remember reading about I somewhere about how pornhub has ventured into multiple business. It might not be that site but I do don't remember the article mention that PB owns some game site (store) that does erotic content.

Both PornHub and Nutaku are owned by the company "MIndGeek"
 

Cordelia

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I see nothing wrong with this. My only wish is that there is some sort of daddy game that comes out of this. Surely there is a market for that?

Just... a game full of video gaming's daddies that spontaneously flex for no reason and also this is a beach paradise game so they are all wearing Speedos you play minigames to unlock more daddywear and customization options for your daddies. Each has stat bonuses that boost certain attributes for particular minigames. Imagine hot Ryu and sailor Chris redfield wrestling each other in the sand and slamming each other? Imagine when they get all sandy you go-to a bonus area where you are in your showers and they embrace each other, washing off all remaining sand. They have to help each other get the sand off of their backs anyways.

Anyways, this is non news. More power to them.
This one?
 

BigHatPaul

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I'm glad these games are available on a platform I already use that has all my other PC games on it. This is better than buying on MangaGamer for me now that they can sell their games uncensored.
 

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Surprising, honestly.

Good for the devs though, keep livin' the dream haha.
 

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Yes it does, and it's explicit. It's still early, but I imagine that adult games are going to grow as a result of Steam opening the flood gates.

That the cue for any indie devs looking to break in. There's no shame in catering to a demand, all the better if you bring talent as well.

That's good

Good on Steam
 

Antrax

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I wish they did curation. I'd be down to see some decent games that happen to have sex in them, but I'm not turning off that filter just to see "Big Titty Anime Waifus: 3000 year old dragon edition" anywhere on my dash.
 

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Okay, but is the fact that the majority of games cater to the largest portion of the market (heteronormative males) newsworthy? This seems like a totally worthless article.
I imagine the news is that a genre that, for the longest time, has been marginalized by society now has two games as top sellers in the month they released in the biggest platform on PC. With some observations from the author about the unfortunate lack of 18+ LGBTQ+ games also making the list, with some comment about as to why that could be.

I personally appreciate it.
 

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This article feels like it was slapped together in a great hurry.

The weirdly puritanical tone of the first half not only stands in opposition to its complaint about the comparatively lower success for adult works targeting audiences other than straight men, that lack of success is utterly unsurprising if we accept the author's own claim that "Steam is a platform dominated by men". Did the author seriously expect works targeting niche audiences to do as well as those targeting larger audiences?

The author also appears to be puzzled over why the 18+ content in Love Cubed is split out into DLC, and suggests that this is due to Valve's inconsistent policies regarding adult content. Had they spent a few minutes to think about it, they might have realized that doing so means that the base game will be visible by default on the Steam store, as it contains no adult content, while the 18+ DLC requires the user to opt in to adult content in order to be viewed. Splitting the game in this manner therefore allows the developer to reach a much wider audience. The mosaic censorship is of course due to the fact that Love Cubed is Japanese in original, something that the author fails to touch upon.

The author also claim that you get to have sex with the maids in Custom Order Maid, "if you download a patch from adult gaming platform Nutaku". While the first part is true, Nutaku does not host that patch. Nutaku sells the full version of the game, while the patch can be purchased on the developer's website. Did the editor not fact-check the article before it was published?
 
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How and why is this a news story

Well, I didn't play the others but at least F/SN has only a small fraction of sex content, and it's kind of included with the only reason to sell the game as a sex game. The main experience is about the characters and story, and even if I played the original PC version that has the eroge content, it felt out of place for the kind of game they developed. Obviously the anime adaptations and console ports got rid of the eroge content, so Type Moon was not that focused on it to start with.
Heaven's Feel has rape scenes every five minutes. The other two routes, sure.
 

Madjoki

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This article feels like it was slapped together in a great hurry.

The weirdly puritanical tone of the first half not only stands in opposition to its complaint about the comparatively lower success for adult works targeting audiences other than straight men, that lack of success is utterly unsurprising if we accept the author's own claim that "Steam is a platform dominated by men". Did the author seriously expect works targeting niche audiences to do as well as those targeting larger audiences?

The author also appears to be puzzled over why the 18+ content in Love Cubed is split out into DLC, and suggests that this is due to Valve's inconsistent policies regarding adult content. Had they spent a few minutes to think about it, they might have realized that doing so means that the base game will be visible by default on the Steam store, as it contains no adult content, while the 18+ DLC requires the user to opt in to adult content in order to be viewed. Splitting the game in this manner therefore allows the developer to reach a much wider audience. The mosaic censorship is of course due to the fact that Love Cubed is Japanese in original, something that the author fails to touch upon.

The author also claim that you get to have sex with the maids in Custom Order Maid, "if you download a patch from adult gaming platform Nutaku". While the first part is true, Nutaku does not host that patch. Nutaku sells the full version of the game, while the patch can be purchased on the developer's website. Did the editor not fact-check the article before it was published?

He's too busy doing research for the next Valve article