LifeLine

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No one was sitting the driver seat, doesn't tesla have a way to disable auto-pilot in that case?
 

Godfather

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... what were the two of them doing?

Edit: NM, one was in backseat, one in passenger seat. Weird. This feels like the setup to an episode of Bones or CSI.
 

AtomicShroom

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Oct 28, 2017
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They were totally banging on the back seat while the car was in autopilot mode, weren't they?
 

Tbm24

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That doesn't make any sense. Why the fuck would they do that? Also why the fuck does the car allow that to happen? My Subaru if you place something remotely warm on the passenger seat will go bonkers with an alarm stating no seatbelt as it thinks it detects a person. Does the Tesla car NOT have seat sensors to detect a human is on it for its auto pilot to work?
 

I am a Bird

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Don't teslas have a feature to detect if you are not paying attention to the road while on auto pilot? Maybe that's why the car hit something.
 

El_TigroX

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Why even take this risk? Even if the car was 99.9% good to do most of the driving... no way in hell am I getting out of the driver seat. We're not there yet.

Even things like lane assist have problems when paint is faded on the lanes...
 

andymcc

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That doesn't make any sense. Why the fuck would they do that? Also why the fuck does the car allow that to happen? My Subaru if you place something remotely warm on the passenger seat will go bonkers with an alarm stating no seatbelt as it thinks it detects a person. Does the Tesla car NOT have seat sensors to detect a human is on it for its auto pilot to work?

My shih tzu makes the passenger front of my Mazda CX-3 seat go bananas if he sits in it.
 

KarmaCow

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Oct 25, 2017
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I was going to say car looks absolutely fucked for a crash but,

According to KHOU in Houston, first responders had to use 30,000 gallons of water over four hours to put out the fire, as the Tesla's battery kept reigniting. Authorities tried to contact Tesla for advice on putting out the fire; it's not clear whether they received any response.

Of course.
 

Mivey

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Oct 25, 2017
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Good that Tesla names it Autopilot. With a safe and responsible name like that, only an idiot would think of using it like this.

But seriously, Tesla should change the name, and Musk should stop promising that full self driving is right around the corner.
 

Jack Scofield

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I feel bad for their families, but holy shit, how big of a moron do you have to be to do something like this?
 

I am a Bird

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Not a good one as Musk is publicly against more secure methods like cameras or more sensors.
My lawnmower had a sensor in the seat that detected if someone was sitting there, and I think some of the other electric vehicles can actually track your eyes if you are not paying attention. Not sure what he's got against more sensors.
 

J-Skee

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That doesn't make any sense. Why the fuck would they do that? Also why the fuck does the car allow that to happen? My Subaru if you place something remotely warm on the passenger seat will go bonkers with an alarm stating no seatbelt as it thinks it detects a person. Does the Tesla car NOT have seat sensors to detect a human is on it for its auto pilot to work?
There's supposed to be someone sitting in the driver's seat with their hands on the wheel. I have no idea how they got it to work with no one in the driver's seat.
 

Fox318

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I've seen more and more tesla drivers looking at their phones or worse asleep at the wheel.
 

mariox2098

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Good that Tesla names it Autopilot. With a safe and responsible name like that, only an idiot would think of using it like this.

But seriously, Tesla should change the name, and Musk should stop promising that full self driving is right around the corner.
To be fair though, autopilot on planes doesn't mean the pilots can just walk away. Pretty sure at least one pilot is always sitting in their seat, awake and potentially in control of the plane.
 
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Tesla calling the feature "Autopilot" really oversells its capabilities. I'm also surprised that it doesn't check that there is anyone in the drivers seat when Autopilot is enabled. You'd think a company like Tesla that fills their cars with all kinds of technical doodads that they would put a weight sensor in the seat.
 

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Why even take this risk? Even if the car was 99.9% good to do most of the driving... no way in hell am I getting out of the driver seat. We're not there yet.

Even things like lane assist have problems when paint is faded on the lanes...

To be fair, the percentage of auto drive failures is statistically almost the same as when people are driving them. It is higher still at the moment, but the accidents tend to be less severe by auto piloted cars.

Not that I recommend ignoring Tesla's safety advice of staying in the passenger seat. Obviously if the maker of the car doesn't feel comfortable with that then you shouldn't either.
 

Mivey

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To be fair though, autopilot on planes doesn't mean the pilots can just walk away. Pretty sure at least one pilot is always sitting in their seat, awake and potentially in control of the plane.
"autopilot" in common usage often suggests "thing that works on its own". It's suggestive and while I'm not blaming Tesla for this incident - those people knew what they were doing was illegal and super dangerous - I do think their PR is not helping.
 

Gigglepoo

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Oct 25, 2017
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This story is more about pushing technology beyond what is safely possible to do, then it is about technology that malfunctioned (or is otherwise dangerous) that we should be scared of.
 

Jarmel

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"autopilot" in common usage often suggests "thing that works on its own". It's suggestive and while I'm not blaming Tesla for this incident - those people knew what they were doing was illegal and super dangerous - I do think their PR is not helping.
I bet you the engineers 100% did not want to name it that and someone from marketing overrode them.
 

GoldenEye 007

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isn't how to handle a battery fire pretty common knowledge in fire departments now? They shouldn't have to contact Tesla to figure out how to stop a battery fire...
I just did a quick search. Apparently the best advice is to just throw massive amounts of water at it. And if possible, elevate the car or build a dam around it so water can reach the entire battery or keep the water pooled in the area.

That seems..... like not an ideal situation.
 

jman2050

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fucking idiots. What did they expect? Tesla cars are not meant to be driverless at all.

People are both way too smart and way too stupid for any level of engineering and technological automation to account for.

It's the fundamental limitation of any full automation future we may be striving for.
 

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This story is more about pushing technology beyond what is safely possible to do, then it is about technology that malfunctioned (or is otherwise dangerous) that we should be scared of.
If we keep thinking like this, we will never achieve an autonomous society. You will always find morons that abuse technology for whatever reason.
 

gcubed

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I just did a quick search. Apparently the best advice is to just throw massive amounts of water at it. And if possible, elevate the car or build a dam around it so water can reach the entire battery or keep the water pooled in the area.

That seems..... like not an ideal situation.
i thought either foam or powder is the better solution vs... 30,000 gallons of water. If using water, you shouldn't also stop putting water on it as soon as the fire is out, it needs to be doused so it doesn't.... re-light.
 

nStruct

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Oct 26, 2017
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Good that Tesla names it Autopilot. With a safe and responsible name like that, only an idiot would think of using it like this.

But seriously, Tesla should change the name, and Musk should stop promising that full self driving is right around the corner.

I don't think the name of the feature is the problem here. When using autopilot in a Tesla the car communicates very clearly that you need to stay in control at all times. And if you ignore it the car will start to get loud, will come to a stop if needed, and will actually disable the feature for a period of time. The drivers here must have intentionally subverted the system, and thankfully they didn't hurt anyone else.