The Steam reviews is full of complaints about the GP queues. They'll have to address it somehow.
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Two Point Hospital |OT| Single-player Healthcare
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The Steam reviews is full of complaints about the GP queues. They'll have to address it somehow.
On one point I do agree that the GP queue hell stuff can get to a point where I want to pull my hair out, but I also kind of get the "simulation" and comedy aspect of it, because in certain ways it does mimic real life haha (assuming this was the developers intention and not some programming mistake, of course).
Also, it adds to the challenge of planning your hospital correctly, because if it wasn't for this, I think the game would be a complete walk in the park.
I do think it needs a tiny bit of adjustment (so that we don't need to build 97 GP Offices to help dealing with it), but I'm not sure that I want this "problem" completely solved through patches. Bit of a controversial opinion I guess. Would love to hear the developers reasoning on the topic though.
Also, it adds to the challenge of planning your hospital correctly, because if it wasn't for this, I think the game would be a complete walk in the park.
I do think it needs a tiny bit of adjustment (so that we don't need to build 97 GP Offices to help dealing with it), but I'm not sure that I want this "problem" completely solved through patches. Bit of a controversial opinion I guess. Would love to hear the developers reasoning on the topic though.
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I burned through about a dozen hours of this over the weekend, and while it's very charming and compulsively playable on the whole, it needs some significant tweaks or rebalancing. The way diagnostics work right now is kind of silly, especially with AI task prioritization and pathfinding. Room size is more or less meaningless. You shouldn't be able to powergame room prestige and other bonuses the way you can right now.
It's also just kind of ... frictionless. How well you play affects how quickly you can advance, but on the whole it's impossible to do "badly" or lose in any way, as far as I can make out.
It's also just kind of ... frictionless. How well you play affects how quickly you can advance, but on the whole it's impossible to do "badly" or lose in any way, as far as I can make out.
Good. It was leaked before launch anyway. They wasted their money.
Good on them for doing this though.
Also, for those struggling with GP queues, do these five things:
1. Make about half of your doctors dedicated GPs, and focus on getting them trained up as high as possible as fast as possible. Have more of them than you do GP rooms to cover breaks. Restrict them to full-time GP work, and don't let anyone else work the rooms.
2. Likewise, any nurses working diagnostic rooms should have high diagnostic skill, and you should have excess staff to cover breaks.
3. Don't clump all your GP rooms together. Clump them near other diagnostic rooms, food, drink, and an accessible toilet. Later on, you'll get better diagnostic rooms that make the early ones redundant and inefficient.
4. No corridors narrower than two squares (two squares in blueprint mode, not two squares of the tile pattern). You want broad paths to prevent crowding, and to ensure anyone stopping to eat, drink, browse, or open a door won't slow the traffic around them.
5. Almost no rooms need to be bigger than minimum size (Training is the only obvious contender). For maximum efficiency, you want the largest possible number of minimum-sized Prestige 3 rooms that can fit off a two-square corridor. (You can powergame the rooms to Prestige 5 by spamming certificates or similar, but it looks awful to me.)
You will need to micro some queues occasionally, but it shouldn't be the norm. You should also be raising prices wherever possible!
1. Make about half of your doctors dedicated GPs, and focus on getting them trained up as high as possible as fast as possible. Have more of them than you do GP rooms to cover breaks. Restrict them to full-time GP work, and don't let anyone else work the rooms.
2. Likewise, any nurses working diagnostic rooms should have high diagnostic skill, and you should have excess staff to cover breaks.
3. Don't clump all your GP rooms together. Clump them near other diagnostic rooms, food, drink, and an accessible toilet. Later on, you'll get better diagnostic rooms that make the early ones redundant and inefficient.
4. No corridors narrower than two squares (two squares in blueprint mode, not two squares of the tile pattern). You want broad paths to prevent crowding, and to ensure anyone stopping to eat, drink, browse, or open a door won't slow the traffic around them.
5. Almost no rooms need to be bigger than minimum size (Training is the only obvious contender). For maximum efficiency, you want the largest possible number of minimum-sized Prestige 3 rooms that can fit off a two-square corridor. (You can powergame the rooms to Prestige 5 by spamming certificates or similar, but it looks awful to me.)
You will need to micro some queues occasionally, but it shouldn't be the norm. You should also be raising prices wherever possible!
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How's performance to you, guys?
I have i5 3570k overclocked, GTX970, 16GB ram and it's pretty horrible. It's fine when your hospital is small, but fill one building and it starts lagging bad. In university level, 4 buildings filled, it's almost unplayable. The worst thing is that mouse and placement lags, if you click during lag spike, item does not place, it just ignores your input. Sometimes camera jumps far away. Graphics options don't have much impact, nor does camera angle - one second it runs fine, the next one there's massive slowdown, probably cpu overload.
Also, this game gives me the worst case of carpal tunnel.
I have i5 3570k overclocked, GTX970, 16GB ram and it's pretty horrible. It's fine when your hospital is small, but fill one building and it starts lagging bad. In university level, 4 buildings filled, it's almost unplayable. The worst thing is that mouse and placement lags, if you click during lag spike, item does not place, it just ignores your input. Sometimes camera jumps far away. Graphics options don't have much impact, nor does camera angle - one second it runs fine, the next one there's massive slowdown, probably cpu overload.
Also, this game gives me the worst case of carpal tunnel.
Sounds like its CPU bound - definitely needs more optimization work. How many patients/staff are running around at this point?
nn odd that it would be that heavy on CPU, i'll give my feedback when i'm there, i have an old sandybridge-E i7-3820.
Looking at the Steam forums, seems theres a ton of pathfinding issues - it could be that bigger hospitals generate more pathfinding loops that eat up CPU time. I'm reading reports of people getting stuck in spots, refusing to go to certain rooms, specific props causing problems. It's not really an issue until things start to get big.
Can you only have 1 researcher at any time in the lab? I can build lots of research desks but only seem to be able to have 1 doctor in the room.
You have many doctors you want as you can with wards as well. You click on the room and increase doctors required option like with wards.
Ah, cool. Cheers. Thought you could but every time i just dropped another dude in the room the first one walked out !
Can you tell us more about your job ... what exactly were you researching? : )
I wouldn't feel bad, the game for the most part has been received really well by both the Theme Hospital crowd and critics as well as new players that have never played Theme Hospital, like myself. Two Point did a great job on the game and should definitely be praised!
Yesterday I fell and ended up going to have a CT scan. I was third in line out side the imaging room. Someone started bleeding on the floor and ER personnel was pushing through trying to take care of the person and contain the mess. Then I realized that queues in small hallways are real and are a real problem.
I think it will be okay for them, I can see this game having long legs.
Hope you're doing okay. I read this and laughed though, "and THAT'S when I realized that small hallways are a real problem."
Sorry, I can't give any details specific to any project. Mutual NDA and all that.
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6. Benches are useless. Do not occupy a significant amount of space with them as the AI will spend more time addressing their other needs. The dedicated waiting rooms from TH don't work here.
7. Slot staff and restroom into awkward spaces. #4 on Shake Appeal's list comes first for regular rooms, give them priority on fluid design and then try to fit in the staff and restroom.
I hope they get to a good spot with balance because right now it does feel like you have to min/max a bit to beat the game. Still, loving the hell out of this game and just happy to have a TH successor.
Yeah, you really only need one bench per diagnostic/treatment room, if that. And you don't need any random waiting rooms or spaces. There's no point wasting space putting seating near reception, e.g., as queues almost never build up there.
And toilets and staff rooms are great because you can make 2x3 ones. I generally have at least one of each in each lot. And maaaaybe one luxurious prestige 5 staff room hidden in a far-off corner somewhere, which is basically where you pick up and drop a staff member if they suddenly threaten to quit.
And toilets and staff rooms are great because you can make 2x3 ones. I generally have at least one of each in each lot. And maaaaybe one luxurious prestige 5 staff room hidden in a far-off corner somewhere, which is basically where you pick up and drop a staff member if they suddenly threaten to quit.
Which Surface do you have ?
I have a Go 8GB and Pro 2 8 GB, I also own the game so I can try.
Surface Pro 4 4GB, it hasnt been running that well lately. though.
the CEO of Holistix visited my hospital, puked 20 times (I kept count) and promptly left. the absolute balls on this guy.
I'm getting 20-25 FPS in very-low in 720p on my Surface Go which is way less powerful than a Pro 4, so it should run way better I think.
I had to build 3 receptions in one of my hospitals due to queues. They can build up quite heavily actually.
Oh, you definitely need multiple receptions as your hospital grows. But you don't need to build "waiting areas" for them.
Legend. How could you stay mad at that face?
Melt Downs was giving me a meltdown. Near constant hazards and awkward building shapes/sizes made that first stretch a bit of a nightmare.
Managed to scrabble my way up to 2 stars, now I have to upgrade 20 machines to get 3 stars. I might just keep rebuilding and demolishing a General Diagnostics room somewhere in the corner just to cheese it, don't fancy knocking down my useful stuff just to replace it.
Managed to scrabble my way up to 2 stars, now I have to upgrade 20 machines to get 3 stars. I might just keep rebuilding and demolishing a General Diagnostics room somewhere in the corner just to cheese it, don't fancy knocking down my useful stuff just to replace it.
Does anyone remember that old game called 'The Movies' from i think Lionhead?
Playing this gives me a nostalgia kick for old sim games and i liked that one. I would love a modern version like this game.
Playing this gives me a nostalgia kick for old sim games and i liked that one. I would love a modern version like this game.
My Tumble hospital completely broke around year 9. Patients just get stuck everywhere blocking new patients from being treated. My hospital value went from 2.5 million to 300,000 and I failed before I could get 3 stars. :( I think I'll wait for some more patches before continuing.
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Hmm
Maybe a re-release? I would play that game qith mod support for ages
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D'oh, never mind. :( A whole bunch of apps were updated on that day. That this wasn't bundled under one changenumber threw me off.
Been playing this game a lot. One feature i would really like is a sort of 'plan' option where i could draw out rooms to see how they would all fit in each building. Sort of like a pencil outline so i can manage the space. Prison Architect had a feature like this.
I sometimes have patients from the (fracture) ward leaving the hospital in rage because they are bored, hungry, thirsty and need the bathroom. How can I prevent this? I had toilets and drink/food machines right in front of the entrance of the ward, and at least 2 or 3 trained nurses in the wards.
I've found the fracture ward is a death trap in general. It comfortably kills more patients than any other department which is bizarre
Seems like there's a few pathfinding errors in the game. The beta branch hotfixes has some attempted fixes for this.