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U.S Rep. Rashida Tlaib shares 'hateful,' 'bullying' note left on office door addressed to Rep. Ilhan Omar (read mod post)
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I think the author being islamaphobic shows their mindset on most issues.
I think that's a given, but using the term "Jews" isn't really a solid indicator of whether someone's antisemitic or not.
Imagine Omar as President one day. You thought Fox News was bad during the Obama years? Now imagine CNN, MSNBC, etc. joining in on the attack. It really is frustrating and abhorrent how hard that "both sides" are railing against her when she is 100% correct on her stances, especially as the past few days have proven.
Yeah, just wanted to add my confusion about the bans. And 2 weeks for all of these? That's exceedingly harsh with no warning given first.
What's the best way to submit these to the mods for a second look?
Unfortunately she can't be president since she wasn't born here.
Well, she's not only black, but a woman and a Muslim. So if we apply the transitive property, an Omar presidency would output roughly 1.4 Kilobamas of dipshit outrage.
Always thought that rule was dumb as hell. She's lived here most of her life, she's just as much an American as I am.
No clue but based on how these bans look, a lot more people need to be banned because I see this type of "antagonizing" in a lot of threads.
Bans seem overly harsh, honestly cant gauge what is bannable and what isnt, as these dont even seem like clear infractions. If its purely down to provocation of other members, they seem to be doing it due to contradictory attitudes in support of equality, not necessarily blind antagonism.
did y'all really ban this person for dropping some truth? lmfao
never change, Era 😂😂
Please, the only thing that's changed is that they have a famous name to attach to their false flag bullshit now.
Maybe report the banned post? I don't know. Mods are becoming more trigger happy every day.
Of course, but it's more of a frame of reference sort of thing.
Indeed.
I'm guessing they've been dealing with this hateful rhetoric their whole lives unfortunately.
I mean don't come in to a very sensitive thread and attack other members broadly when its not even on topic.
Did they also leave a note on the door of that representative that read from Mein Kampf and used some pretty direct anti-semitism the other day?
I actually understand some of the discomfort people have around Omar's statements. I still agree with Ilhan Omar, but I understand why people who have dealt with that kind of language being meant to disparage them would feel betrayed by some of the words used. That said, it's weird to me that you're not seeing the same outrage over what's been going on for eons with other representatives.
I actually understand some of the discomfort people have around Omar's statements. I still agree with Ilhan Omar, but I understand why people who have dealt with that kind of language being meant to disparage them would feel betrayed by some of the words used. That said, it's weird to me that you're not seeing the same outrage over what's been going on for eons with other representatives.
These bans are super weird. In the interest of transparency, we need a staff post from the mod(s) responsible to explain themselves.
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Well, to change the Presidency eligibility here in the U.S. would require a constitutional amendment because the basics for Presidency eligibility is in the Constitution. Want to lower the age? Set a age limit? Want foreign-born citizens who have lived most or all of their lives in the U.S. to be President? All of that would require a constitutional amendment.
Tale as old as time. Use one minority group as a cudgel to attack another.
Add me to the list of people confused by the bans in this topic. If mods want topics around Israel/Palestine and issues of Islamophobia to go down a guided path, then perhaps each one needs red text clearly outlining the Era policy. Because the bans here are inconsistent. For instance, this:
Isn't antagonizing at all. It's an accurate assessment. A black, Muslim woman isn't a prop for the Democratic Party until she speaks inconvenient truths. The narrative from some PoliEra regulars around Ilhan IS hypocritical.
Isn't antagonizing at all. It's an accurate assessment. A black, Muslim woman isn't a prop for the Democratic Party until she speaks inconvenient truths. The narrative from some PoliEra regulars around Ilhan IS hypocritical.
Thanks- took you up on this suggestion. I asked the mods to review all bans in the thread.
It's like someone came through with a personal vendetta.
Mod post - addressing complaints and get back on topic
Official Staff Communication
Let's be clear here: This is an important topic and the members banned in the thread were using it to goad and snipe at other members and communities, carrying over petty grudges from other threads. This has been getting worse over time and is becoming more like political console wars than actual discussion.
If you'd like to disagree with people then feel free to do so, but that doesn't give you carte blanche to try to start fights in every thread with members who aren't even in them.
If you'd like to contest any of the bans you feel strongly about you are more than welcome to send me a PM and I will have that conversation with you.
Get back on topic in this thread. Further attempts at metacommentary derails will be actioned.
If you'd like to disagree with people then feel free to do so, but that doesn't give you carte blanche to try to start fights in every thread with members who aren't even in them.
If you'd like to contest any of the bans you feel strongly about you are more than welcome to send me a PM and I will have that conversation with you.
Get back on topic in this thread. Further attempts at metacommentary derails will be actioned.
Hmm... now what does that remind me of...
Yeah, suggesting only money motivates the US government's knee-bending to Israel is completely wrong.
It's money AND pandering to religious nutcases in their staff/voter base.
Yeah, suggesting only money motivates the US government's knee-bending to Israel is completely wrong.
It's money AND pandering to religious nutcases in their staff/voter base.
what this entire Ilhan Omar saga illustrates perfectly is that the principle invoked by many liberals against her to accuse her of antisemitism - "only members of Group X can define bigotry against Group X, don't ever question their judgment in those definitions" - is a piss-poor foundation on which to resist bigotry, and not at all the same thing as actual solidarity with marginalized groups. That's because that principle:
What makes it even worse is that for many liberals, these failings are features, not bugs, as was made clear when most of the exact same liberals who sanctimoniously invoked "don't ever tell Jews they're wrong about what antisemitism is" against Ilhan Omar, as though it were some sacrosanct and inviolable principle, proved themselves to be perfectly fine with telling Muslims that they were wrong to think Chelsea Clinton's attack on Omar was Islamophobic.
- ignores differences of opinion within a group, instead deferring to those who already have the loudest voices and the most political power (with a few welcome exceptions, Jews like me who strongly believe that nothing Omar said was antisemitic have almost completely been excluded from this debate);
- ignores asymmetries of power between different groups with different histories of marginalization (pro-Israel American Jews have vastly more power to have their voices heard and influence policy than Palestinians or American Muslims more generally)
- ignores broader political context of any sort (allegations of antisemitism have continually been invoked for many years to suppress criticism of Israel, which ought to warrant a particularly careful approach to evaluating claims of antisemitism in the context of criticism of Israel)
What makes it even worse is that for many liberals, these failings are features, not bugs, as was made clear when most of the exact same liberals who sanctimoniously invoked "don't ever tell Jews they're wrong about what antisemitism is" against Ilhan Omar, as though it were some sacrosanct and inviolable principle, proved themselves to be perfectly fine with telling Muslims that they were wrong to think Chelsea Clinton's attack on Omar was Islamophobic.
Chuck Schumer is Jewish. That fact shouldn't be overlooked when evaluating his false equivalence of the antisemitism on display in Charlottesville and the comments made by Ilhan Omar. His viewpoint when it comes to AIPAC and the state of Israel is likely biased. It was an absurd comparison to make, but given his identity it's more understandable than it otherwise would be.
That said it is completely wrong to assume that just because the viewpoints of some Jewish people like Schumer are clouded that all Jewish people are okay with the actions of Israel. They clearly aren't and it would benefit us all to approach a sensitive topic such as this with open ears AND sceptical minds. That's difficult to do, but certain topics such as this demand it.
That said it is completely wrong to assume that just because the viewpoints of some Jewish people like Schumer are clouded that all Jewish people are okay with the actions of Israel. They clearly aren't and it would benefit us all to approach a sensitive topic such as this with open ears AND sceptical minds. That's difficult to do, but certain topics such as this demand it.
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Oh of course, not denying that. It's still a net negative that they have a famous name at all to "legitimize" their bullshit though.
(I know it doesn't actually legitimize it but tell that to the "moderate" idiots that are no doubt swayed by such.)
Not surprised with Chuck. He's such an oblivious asshole of a leader and I would actually place him above many Republicans in who needs to get the fuck out of office quickest.
Never forget when he both sided a murder attack on a jewish person to McCarthy's vandalism. He should be persona non grata on this website, especially given how we treat fucks like b00gie, but alas...
From what I've seen, most people conflating "Jews" with "israel" are usually the same ones decrying Omar for anti-semitism. She's been pretty clear who she's talking about but that apparently isn't enough nor will it ever be, looking at the literally hundreds of people like Omar who were also trampled for "anti-semitic" beliefs whenever they're calling out Israel's actions or the actions of AIPAC and their outright influence and control on politicians and corporations.
Or basically, this entire series on how antisemitism has been weaponized by AIPAC and the Israeli lobby:
Never forget when he both sided a murder attack on a jewish person to McCarthy's vandalism. He should be persona non grata on this website, especially given how we treat fucks like b00gie, but alas...
From what I've seen, most people conflating "Jews" with "israel" are usually the same ones decrying Omar for anti-semitism. She's been pretty clear who she's talking about but that apparently isn't enough nor will it ever be, looking at the literally hundreds of people like Omar who were also trampled for "anti-semitic" beliefs whenever they're calling out Israel's actions or the actions of AIPAC and their outright influence and control on politicians and corporations.
Or basically, this entire series on how antisemitism has been weaponized by AIPAC and the Israeli lobby:
The moderate idiots were also swayed by the extended version of the MAGA Kid video. I'm really not concerned with the feelings of folks who are pretending to be allies anymore. Smollett sucks but in the grand scheme of things his crime is ironic because the only reason that he thought he could get away with it is that the very people who are now up in arms about him are so hateful in the first place.
But this is pretty OT for this thread so let's just agree that the folks trying to use Smollett to discredit Tlaib have always been full of shit and have no leg to stand on, even with a legitimate false flagger to point to.
Yikes.
The lack of response from the left is pretty telling, but not quite as embarrassing as their reactions when people call them out on it.
I hope people continue to do so, regardless of the repercussions. Allowing this to continue is bullshit and hypocritical.
The lack of response from the left is pretty telling, but not quite as embarrassing as their reactions when people call them out on it.
I hope people continue to do so, regardless of the repercussions. Allowing this to continue is bullshit and hypocritical.
Right. Calling out islamophobia should never be wrong, especially when it comes from centrist democrats. Nancy, Chuck, Chelsea, Hoyer, all of them are complicit in spreading islamophobia by lying about Omar being anti-semitic.
It wasn't threatening so why bother? It was just whiny, pushy and incorrect.
Yeah, some crossed wires probably. I didn't see an issue with what you posted.
True, I guess it's not a criminal offense. Still shitty though.
Its still harassment, for a woman who just spent the past month experiencing harrassment from the entire US political system.
The sad part is that I expect that no one in Congress will help her, not even the CCTV guy.
Yeah man, it's garbage. I used a report to say your ban was fucking stupid. I'm guessing some others did the same. Really bad look on the mods here.
The iron hand of the Democrat has come down hard in this thread.
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