U.S. violates JCPOA; Trump withdraws from Iran nuclear deal & reimposes economic sanctions (UPDATE)

Coyote Starrk

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As a country. Stop saying "only half though!" WE fucked up. It's a problem with the country if someone like him gets in.

If he wasn't stopped, the other half's efforts weren't good enough.
I'm not saying we don't have problems. I'm just saying that I'm not say I am part of a problem that I'm not apart of.
 

Helot_Azure

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More Americans need to vote, period. The reason the country keeps slipping back into conservative hands is because too many Americans believe that politics don't matter, or that both sides are the same.
 
More Americans need to vote, period. The reason the country keeps slipping back into conservative hands is because too many Americans believe that politics don't matter, or that both sides are the same.
This, it's not helpful to only assholes out only right after they fuck everything up. So many people should've known better decided to either stay home or throw their vote away on a 3rd party candidate.
 

Ushay

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This basically tells me the only thing that prevents America from invading (Islamic) countries is Nuclear Weapons.
AT least the EU coalition are firm on keeping their end of the deal intact, curious to see how they respond to USA's 'harsh' response to them.

Trump continues to baffle me with his line of thinking. He essentially just wants to reverse every decision Obama ever made. What even is the point of a democracy if the nation can't align behind their policies?
 
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Then black people like me should move to another country or region in which the government & their people are more tolerable, & in which they're less gun/trigger happy.
Emigrating from the US is an expensive and lengthy process, vast majority of black folks in the US can't afford it. I also imagine there are many who would refuse because we've kinda been here longer than most other folks other than Native Americans.
 

boxfactory

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This isn't on Trump alone. The war drums to bomb Iran have been going on for awhile. Too many parasites attached to the american political class.
 

Kitsunelaine

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This basically tells me the only thing that prevents America from invading (Islamic) countries is Nuclear Weapons.
AT least the EU coalition are firm on keeping their end of the deal intact, curious to see how they respond to USA's 'harsh' response to them.

Trump continues to baffle me with his line of thinking. He essentially just wants to reverse every decision Obama ever made. What even is the point of a democracy if the nation can't align behind their policies?
What makes you think Trump wants a democracy?
 

Green Yoshi

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More Americans need to vote, period. The reason the country keeps slipping back into conservative hands is because too many Americans believe that politics don't matter, or that both sides are the same.
Many Americans feel betrayed. Someone who was born in 1940 had a 90% chance to have a better income than his father (adjusted for inflation). Someone who was born in the 1980s only has a 50% chance to have a better income than his father. The whole health care and education system is highly unfair. The success of a kid depends too much on the income of the parents.

And many people believe that voting doesn't change much. If congress members get re-elected every two years they spend too much time for
campaigning and too little time for the people they represent. And they are too dependent on their donors.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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So I have a couple of thoughts on this, and how, as it seems to me, trump is being hugely inconsistent and damaging to the US statis in the world-

The us are seemingly in the process of brokering a peace treaty with north Korea, a nuclear armed and ballistic missile armed nation. At the same time they are recomencing sanctions on a country who had agreed not to develop nuclear weapons as part of the agreement. This is baffling.

Also this shows that the US do not care about treaties or agreements - they will just terminate and withdraw and this is hugely damaging to their credibility. I wonder what Kim now thinks of anylon treaty to lift sanctions from NK since its obvious that Trump will go back in his word.

This decision is hugely damaging to the US and their politic position as well. The us's closest allies (the eu) have come out and already said they will continue to abide by the Iran agreement, effectively isolating the US.

Even to me, as a British person who has visited America dozens of times and loves the country, I can' shake the feeling that the US is behaving like a bully and that the EU needs to stand up and proceed to maintain and abide by the agreement. I don' believe sanctions will do anything but radicalise Iran and stunt the nation' economic development and social liberalisation.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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So I have a couple of thoughts on this, and how, as it seems to me, trump is being hugely inconsistent and damaging to the US statis in the world-

The us are seemingly in the process of brokering a peace treaty with north Korea, a nuclear armed and ballistic missile armed nation. At the same time they are recomencing sanctions on a country who had agreed not to develop nuclear weapons as part of the agreement. This is baffling.

Also this shows that the US do not care about treaties or agreements - they will just terminate and withdraw and this is hugely damaging to their credibility. I wonder what Kim now thinks of anylon treaty to lift sanctions from NK since its obvious that Trump will go back in his word.

This decision is hugely damaging to the US and their politic position as well. The us's closest allies (the eu) have come out and already said they will continue to abide by the Iran agreement, effectively isolating the US.

Even to me, as a British person who has visited America dozens of times and loves the country, I can' shake the feeling that the US is behaving like a bully and that the EU needs to stand up and proceed to maintain and abide by the agreement. I don' believe sanctions will do anything but radicalise Iran and stunt the nation' economic development and social liberalisation.
Yeah. We're telling North Korea that even if they hold up their end of an agreement, that we might pull out of it anyway if we decide later on that we didn't get enough out of it.
 

Ravensmash

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Funny that Brexiters in the UK think Trump's America will be our great hope for making deals etc. They're fucking idiots.
Yes. Please don't listen to them.

Farage was utterly insufferable tonight.

He was sounding jubilant after the announcement and I genuinely had no idea why.

I need to stop hate listening to his radio show.
 

Gorger

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Don't know if posted already, but EU stands firm in continuing to uphold the Iran-deal. Calling it one of the biggest achievements in modern diplomacy and was a 12 years work-in-progress by the international community.

Hopefully this will have the opposite effect of the chaos Trump is pushing, and that Iran continues to remain in the deal.

Official statement is here and starts at around 52 minutes into the video:
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Hope y'all are ready to lock and load for the God Emperor; someone is gonna have to fight the rights holy war and it's not gonna be the right.

In before Trump deports undocumented citizens into Iran with M4s and a un-removable neck explosive.
 

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To my understanding, this wasn't binding. Presumably, whatever deal that is made w/ NK will be binding.
I could be wrong (and hopefully if I am someone will correct me), but my memory from when this was put together and the Paris agreement happened, is that for a deal like this to be binding the legislative branch have to vote on it and agree with it.

And I certainly wouldn't count on that happening.
 

Game2Death

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hope y'all are ready to lock and load for the God Emperor; someone is gonna have to fight the rights holy war and it's not gonna be the right.

In before Trump deports undocumented citizens into Iran with M4s and a un-removable neck explosive.
Yeah I’ve decided I don’t care who America decides to go to war with, if they try to draft or use me I’ll be the first one out of the country. Never defending this place. Idc what happens.
 

Doctor_Thomas

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Following Donald Trump's reckless actions, Israel have allegedly launched an air strike on an Iranian weapons convoy near Damascus.

That's what your President is doing.
 

Chrome Hyena

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So, when can the world put sanctions on the US and Israel?
Well this is what happened last time U.S. tried solo sanctions.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-01-1162_en.htm

The European Union has adopted a Blocking Statute(1) which makes it illegal for any European Union company to comply with ILSA.
April 1997 the European Council decided that the EU would request the re-establishment of a WTO panel against the US should any action be taken against EU companies or individuals under the Helms-Burton Act or ILSA. That decision still stands.

(1) Council Regulation (EC) N° 2271/96. Official Journal of the European Communities n° L 309 of 29 November 1996, page 1.

Fyi U.S. lost that case both times. I expect it to happen again.
 

GillianSeed79

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Oct 27, 2017
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So unnecessary, unwinnable trade wars with long-time trade partners and scuttling probably the most significant diplomacy success in nearly 40 years as it relates to Iran, a major OPEC member? At what point do we start seeing the economy tanking and $5/gallon for gas again? Trump is an idiot.
 

Commedieu

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Don't know if posted already, but EU stands firm in continuing to uphold the Iran-deal. Calling it one of the biggest achievements in modern diplomacy and was a 12 years work-in-progress by the international community.

Hopefully this will have the opposite effect of the chaos Trump is pushing, and that Iran continues to remain in the deal.

Official statement is here and starts at around 52 minutes into the video:
The only problem is the secondary sanctions that PROHIBIT the EU from doing business with Iran. They've been given 180 days to cut ties with Iran.

Will the EU fold, or will the EU say fuck the usa?
 

Chrome Hyena

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The only problem is the secondary sanctions that PROHIBIT the EU from doing business with Iran. They've been given 180 days to cut ties with Iran.

Will the EU fold, or will the EU say fuck the usa?
Well E.U. had something like this happen to it back in the 90s and early 2000s and took the U.S. to task and won both times.

Well this is what happened last time U.S. tried solo sanctions.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-01-1162_en.htm





Fyi U.S. lost that case both times. I expect it to happen again.
 

rambis

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US democracy is not fine. The poster you are responding to is German. They have proper democracy, it is called PR. No FPTP bastardisation. You have a system designed to carry over the last vestiges of the slave states.

Moreover one political party is divorced from reality given how much money has corrupted your politics. It is shameful, this party has used the broken system built on a flimsy and fundamentally flawed constitution to perpetuate its death grip on power come what may. You probably will not be able to amend the horrendous errors in your institutions because the White Supremacist party will never cede enough vote to allow the super majorities necessary.

The litany of abuses and literal treason occurring today under the current incumbent shows how busted flush your system is.

Your democracy is broken and it is fucking tragic. A similar thing is happening in the UK.

For America’s allies it is probably not a stretch to call the Republican Party the enemy.
This is a cute way to shit on republicans but im not sure how this points to our democracy not working. And I don't particulary give a shit where that poster is from or why you think it matters?

Our democracy isnt broken even if its seemingly under attack. The very fact that the minority party of every branch has enough power to neuter most of the majorities agenda is a testament to that.

The fact that we don't have super majorities anywhere is another testament to our democracy, not some indictment of it as you seem to think. There are few positions in this country that a super majority agrees on. I don't know why the seesaw has to lean one way to satisfy you.

The notion that the government has to be 100% be filled with people that "think like me" is childish as fuck and borderline facist itself.
 
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Err... guys? You do realise this is one of the few times Obama came out of retirement to speak against Trump's imbecilic actions?

...Yeah, it's that serious.
 

Hierophant

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Iran has been preparing for this war for like fifty years, they're gonna be the first to sink a supercarrier and then consequently be nuked by the US.

Footage of the Nimitz or another one sinking will genuinely break the brains of many Americans and they'll call for nukes (even here)
 
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Dierce

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Iran has been preparing for this war for like fifty years, they're gonna be the first to sink a supercarrier and then consequently be nuked by the US.
If the USA ever uses a nuke again I expect that they will be embargoed by every single country in the world and at that point a coup is not far off. That is unless they nuke Russia or China which would mean the end of civilization.
 

GeekyDad

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This isn't on Trump alone. The war drums to bomb Iran have been going on for awhile. Too many parasites attached to the american political class.
Yeah, I sometimes wonder, when folks attach responsibility for a thing to a particular president if they are using the name to generalize the executive office or they truly (which I think most do) believe one person is making these decisions. And this particular president seems to be little more than a mouthpiece.

It's not difficult to tap a balloon in the direction you want it to go when it's full of hot air.
 

Zed

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I predict one of these things will happen if the deal is truly destroyed:

1)The United States invades Iran.

OR

2)Iran builds nuclear bombs and Saudi Arabia shortly follows up and builds nuclear bombs.
 

Red Arremer

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I really hope that Rouhani's statement that he wants to continue to stick to the agreement and talk it over with the European countries is sincere.