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Uber says drivers not core to its businesses to combat CA law

Socivol

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Oct 25, 2017
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/business/economy/uber-california-bill.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Uber pushed back on Wednesday against a newly passed California bill that effectively requires companies to reclassify their contract workers as employees, in a sign of the emerging resistance that the measure is prompting across the gig economy.

Tony West, Uber’s chief legal officer, said in a news conference that the ride-hailing company would not treat its drivers, who are independent contractors, as employees under the California bill. He said that drivers were not a core part of Uber’s business and could maintain their independent status when the measure goes into effect as state law on Jan. 1.

Uber’s business, Mr. West said, is not providing rides but “serving as a technology platform for several different types of digital marketplaces.” He added that the company was “no stranger to legal battles.”
More info in the link but all I can say is wow!
 
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Kieli

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Oct 28, 2017
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They can say whatever they want. I have faith in the Californian court system to make the right decision.
 

Cpt-GargameL

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Oct 27, 2017
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If they're not core to their business then who will be driving these cars if you don't need these people?
 

nihilence

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Oct 25, 2017
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From 'quake area to big OH.
Pretty soon the cars will drive themselves, so Uber just needs to fight this out until then.
The technology to find riders, and autonomously drive them is their core goal. They see the drivers as current plebs to reach that goal, and therfore are not apart of their envisioned core.

However, currently the human driver is part of their business. Autonomous diving isn't completely done, yet.

Basically, drivers are their core right now. But Uber plans ditching them as soon as possible.
 

Nepenthe

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I actually laughed aloud at the title. The audacity.
 

ShaunB

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fuck these companies. Also fuck the whole autonomous car dream too. Give me massive, public transportation systems.
 
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Socivol

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I actually laughed aloud at the title. The audacity.
My friend sent me a screenshot of her NYT alert with the headline and I thought she was full of shit. I went to their Twitter and that was the headline. Then I read the article and just wow. I'm not surprised though, Uber isn't a company I hold in high regard. To basically be so dismissive of the work that the majority of your workforce is doing completely disgusted me.
 
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Rover

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Oct 25, 2017
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The tech will be ready in 3-5 years, but ...

can't disagree here.
Time will tell if people will trust self driving tech to at the very least not kill them, but also figure out weird corner cases that happen with pickups/dropoffs.

Also is a self-driving car gonna walk the Uber Eats deliveries up those apartments and office buildings?
 
Oct 27, 2017
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He's right. It's like when you go into a McDonald's. The employees there aren't a core part of the business. After all, you're eating a Big Mac not the people working there, right?
(/s if that isn't obvious)
 

Alcotholic

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Oct 27, 2017
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Not that Lyft is much better, but this js why I dont use Uber. They have always been straight up ass holes.
 

aeolist

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Oct 27, 2017
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their entire business model is ignoring laws that specifically go against their interests so they can undercut unionized labor, this is the least surprising thing they've ever done
 

Keldroc

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The tech will be ready in 3-5 years, but ...

can't disagree here.
More like 30-50 years. Driverless AI has a long, looooong way to go, and getting them legally on the road in significant numbers is even further out. And that's not even factoring in the morality and ethics questions of how the AIs are programmed to manage risk and fatalities. I will be mildly surprised if there are a significant number of driverless cars on the road regularly in my lifetime.
 

cagey

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Oct 27, 2017
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He's right. It's like when you go into a McDonald's. The employees there aren't a core part of the business. After all, you're eating a Big Mac not the people working there, right?
(/s if that isn't obvious)
McDonald's is a brick-and-mortar platform that allows farmers and cattle ranchers access to a marketplace that motorized food consumers also access.

Not sure why anyone would honestly think food is the core of the fast food business.

Sometimes people who access Uber's technology platform to access marketplaces are accessing McDonald's marketplace.
 

Middleman

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Regardless of the driverless tech being ready, the fact is, they're gonna have to produce a million of them shits to replace the actual damn cars all those drivers supply the company for free.
 

Anton Sugar

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Didn't Yelp try or do something super shitty like this? They tried to classify themselves as an internet service provider (as in, a provider of a service on the internet) so their "data" would be protected when businesses wanted them to disclose their algorithm for why/how/when Yelp would hide good reviews and boost bad ones?
 

'3y Kingdom

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If drivers aren’t a core partner of Uber’s business, I guess they won’t have to stress about having any drivers in California now. Should be easy for them.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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That's because "very popular" quickly leads to a monopoly. In which case, better it be under the US Gov with at least SOME oversight than corporate assholes who only care about $$$
But people here often claim stuff is a monopoly when it isn’t. Uber is nowhere close to a monopoly. Just because a service or product is very popular or clearly the dominant one in the market doesn’t mean it’s a monopoly.
 

Spyder_Monkey

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Oct 25, 2017
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Lol of course they are and Uber knows it. I imagine this is how they're going to get out of this if/when they take it to court. "You see your honor we're not a transportation service, we're a technology company!" Hopefully that argument gets thrown out.
 

faceless

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Oct 25, 2017
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they have to say this because they have to protect shareholder value.

admitting that Uber drivers are a core part of the Uber business model would go against that.

so they tell embarrassing lies.
 

XMonkey

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Oct 26, 2017
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Good luck with that defense. A judge ought to laugh them out of court if they try it.