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Uganda announces ‘Kill the Gays’ law imposing death penalty on homosexuals
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Yup, Uganda and it's people have agency. White evangelicals absolutely contributed to this problem but it takes two to tango.
I wonder if they'll backtrack. A lot of NGOs will probably pull out and a lot of foreign aid will likely get pulled if this goes through. I would like to see estimates on the cost there. I don't have figures in front of me, but I am fairly sure that foreign aid comprises more than half of Uganda's health budget. And a lot of that money could be redirected to less insane places in the region like South Sudan or the DRC. There's a pretty huge potential monetary and health cost to pursuing this policy that, say, the Elizabeth Warren administration could hold over them relatively soon. The international community has more leverage here than just angry letters and yelling.
Except the people here didn't "find Jesus".
They were infected by it, from white invaders (in later years, under the guise of "charity").
Maybe they naturally would hate gay people. We'll never know.
I'm not arguing against that at all. It's just some people are acting like homophobia is a white thing. Which is weird.
I'm genuinely intrigued to find out if the hatred towards LGBT in African nations is at least in part spurred by "missionaries" essentially saying "This is how you go to Heaven, and by the way gay people are evil".
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The UN was literally made for countries to talk to each other and possibly prevent war. You won't get far if you only talk to your friends
This is a country the US gives $970Million in aid to. I think if you cant afford to give your citizens basic human rights you should not see a penny of foreign aid from any country.
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So fuck the PEOPLE of the country... good to know. Doing that would make shit worse. Honestly, I don't know the solution to this bullshit.
No one 'naturally' hates gay people, you are ceding ground to racialized arguments about Africans just by saying that. Christianity obviously plays a part in homophobia in African nations, but so do all the other factors that encourage homophobia (fear of the unknown, lack of utility to the state because homosexuality doesn't produce offspring, finding a scapegoat to blame problems on). China is not a Christian nation and is explicitly and legally homophobic.
I don't think cutting HIV/AIDS response is really the humane reaction. But there are probably other forms of aid we could cut or redirect. We do have leverage here; albeit of a form it will probably take a democratic president to exercise.
Every fucking day there is something to embarrass me about my species. Every. Fucking. Day.
It's exhausting. It's frustrating. It's maddening.
It's exhausting. It's frustrating. It's maddening.
It certainly is; but homophobia is not uniform across the region. There are missionaries in Tanzania, Kenya, DRC, Rwanda, Burundi, Malawi, etc; and homophobia is bad in all of them, but I'm not really sure why things have gotten so much more violent and awful in Uganda specifically. The fact that it's English-speaking probably plays some role. The fact that other governments (definitely Rwanda's autocratic president) are smart enough to know how to please foreign donors, NGOs, etc. is another part. Paul Kagame absolutely would not let shit like this threaten foreign aid. I'm not sure to what extent Museveni's weakness may play into this. I'm no Uganda expert.
Hopefully this one will fail like the last time they tried.
It would be a dream come true for Mike Pence and other evangelicals if this could be enacted in the US.
Let's also not pretend that Evangelical groups aren't in the country planting seeds of hate.
Having said that, absolutely reprehensible, gut wrenching, and disgusting. Hopefully the law is struck down, but even if its not, any country where such a law is even feasible is likely already hell on Earth for its LGBTQ citizens.
Oh and to the people asking why people are talking about American Evangelicals.
American evangelicals should be held accountable for propagating their hateful gospel to Africa. People are going to die because these fucks need to feel superior to others.
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Hey what a shock. Uganda is majority Roman Catholic. Thank god Christianity was brought to these godless nations.
Are you suggesting that this is down to this evangelical hate gospel? I'm not sure I agree. I admit not knowing much on the subject but aren't evangelicals in, say, America too, and that country isn't making laws called kill the gays.
In my experience, the Catholics are the more liberal of the central/East Africans when it comes to LGBT people, in that they certainly think being gay is bad, but not necessarily that it should be illegal, and definitely not punishable by death. Evangelicals and Pentecostals are the ones taking a harder line.
I think it's definitely part of the explanation, but not the whole one. There are evangelical American-linked missionaries all over Africa. I don't personally have an explanation for why this is so much more virulent in Uganda as opposed to, for example, Tanzania. I doubt there are more American missionaries there per capita. It is possible there are more specifically anti-gay missionaries in Uganda, although I don't know why that would have happened. Maybe it was just an arbitrary thing that snowballed and reinforced itself.
No, not entirely. Homophobic tendencies are regrettably ubiquitous, but theres no denying that extreme religious evangelism has considerable resources and organization that makes things more focused and dangerous.
Honestly, this frustrated me both in the sense it made me laugh, and then it was like "oh god, this is serious". I talked with my friend about this when this made the rounds way back then (2009 or so?), and he was even like "Straight people do this", so it always frustrated me they equate this solely to the gay community.
Either way, I think the topic in here covered a little bit about this, but there's a whole explanation regarding the whole reason the situation got a lot worse in African countries, notably Uganda.
This has a lot of information on the matter for the record:
John Oliver also covered this whole thing a bit, including interviewing a Trans-LGBT Activist living amongst these regions:
It contains similar information to what the above article covers, including some additional information I don't think it completely covers. Really think it's important information to understand why the situation got so bad.
Snowflakes, they're called Snowflakes. They cannot possibly handle anything being different and lash out like they forgot they grew up already.
Do you realize that the Catholic Church does not approve of the legislation against homosexuality in Uganda? It was considered inhumane and open to human rights violations when it was brought forth in 2013 and proposed life-imprisonment. There was a concern in the Church then that it did not pass the bar for Christian charity and respect for the dignity of persons regardless of whether the Church endorses homosexual unions or not. Now the law being proposed is even worse - it calls for the death penalty. The Catholic Church does not endorse the death penalty in any way and is opposed to any such laws. The faithful are reminded of the dignity of human life and especially in the modern age where so many alternatives are available, there is no excuse to put a person to death.
Uganda is full of nut jobs, and their extremely poor education system doesnt help
Ive seen a video of Ugandan gentleman explaining to a large, enraptured crowd that gays eat poop and fist each other in the butt all day.
They probably use /pol/ as a jumping off point for their law makers to create policy.
Yeah and Trump "doesn't approve" of hate crimes.
They can both get fucked.
Treated with equity? It wasn't treated any way at all, since almost no one knew about it.
Goddamn that's horrifying.
Look, I hate the Catholic church, but that poster is right that they would oppose this and any law that would put anyone to death as a legal consequence. They are one of the largest groups that campaigns against the death penalty, it's one of those issues they are extremely consistent on. They campaign and organize against the death penalty here in the US, they did so to get many European states to abolish the death penalty, they campaign against in in Central and South America, in Asia, etc.
lmao fuck off
e: in case I get banned for dropping the F-bomb, I have absolutely no kindness in my soul for someone who stans for the catholic church's record on LGBT rights and mass murder. As a member of that community, I have decided to excersize my right to tell people who do to fuck off. Sometimes, nothing more needs to be said, and nothing less is worth saying.
I'm not saying Wakanda was treated correctly and grew into a metropolis through the munificence of like, Belgium or Great Britain, I'm not comparing anything about Wakanda except its prosperity and peace and lack of innate corruption. I'm saying that real countries were treated in ways that had negative outcomes in real life.
They're helping to lobby the government in support of this, yes.
The Family.
Not really Evangelicals, Jesus + plus nothing.
More of a creepy cult that worships power.