Navy strike group deployed to send 'message' to Iran
So... Uhhh... He might be trying to start a war by baiting the Iranians.
So... Uhhh... He might be trying to start a war by baiting the Iranians.
Same.
Normally yes. But the trifecta of Trump in the White House with Bolton's hard on for war with Iran whispering in his ear, Netanyahu and MBS makes this uncharted territory.I would not fret about this. Carriers are routinely sent out to patrol in the middle east. I wouldn't call this a significant escalation.
I would not fret about this. Carriers are routinely sent out to patrol in the middle east. I wouldn't call this a significant escalation.
Can the US have the presidential elections if we are in a war?
Can the US have the presidential elections if we are in a war?
Meh. Nothing but a lot of bluff. You couldn't start and manage a war with just a single carrier. We would have been seeing massive mobilization of troops, aircrafts, ships, and resources needed in forward deployments.
Can the US have the presidential elections if we are in a war?
Yeah. Lincoln and FDR were both re-elected during wartime (actual, declared wars).
Yes and no? We've seen acts that would definitely gotten us into shit (Dropping a MOAB in 2017) but this seems like one step very small step towards many.Normally yes. But the trifecta of Trump in the White House with Bolton's hard on for war with Iran whispering in his ear, Netanyahu and MBS makes this uncharted territory.
We've had presidential elections in the middle of many (most?) of our wars.
War doesn't affect anything like that, and if this war does happen, it likely wouldn't even be declared as a war. The U.S. hasn't declared a war since 1942.
thumbsup.gifYeah. Lincoln and FDR were both re-elected during wartime (actual, declared wars).
A conventional standing army is what the American military was designed to fight, and in all likelihood a war with Iran would play out in a roughly equivalent manner to the first Gulf War. Fighting irregulars and insurgencies is what the American military machine has proven completely incapable of handling, and since Bolton will stop at nothing short of regime change if he gets his way, that's precisely the war America will ultimately wind up fighting.Cool dude. Couldnt win a war in two countries that were barely held together and another against angry rice farmers but against a country with an actual army and large presence in the region? Gonna go well. Awesome.
By the way you'll see the real fascism once we are ashamed from losing this war on top of millions protesting it in the first place on top of terrorist style attacks on American mainland.
I dont think they'll actually do it atm but the mythical conservative masturbation fantasy about war with Iran would be the end of American hegemony, or at least speed it up even faster
Doing a cursory search shows that the Stennis Strike Group has been deployed for over 6 months now, and that letter says they are just now sending the Lincoln out so I assume the Lincoln will act as the relief to the Stennis. It'll take upwards of a month for the Lincoln to reach the patrol area where the Stennis is(depending on what port visits the Lincoln makes on it's way out there), so this seems pretty typical of Navy deployments. I know the language in that letter is scary but this is what the Navy does all the timeRight now we only have 2 Carriers in the area so that is at least a good sign that while we are smacking the drum there is no momentum behind it.
John C Stennis and Lincoln are the 2 carriers in the area. 4 Carriers are currently in Drydock for maintenance while 1 is in the middle of its 4 year refill and refit. So there's only 5 others in full operation and then the Ford that is still in post shakedown status.
Or is it guaranteed second term if he starts a war? We always re-elect when there is a war.Guaranteed war if he gets a second term. He won't take that risk now.
China does this same shit way more than the US. And we send "messages" back just as often.So the US is clearly warning Iran and Venezuela about taking this type of measures... Then people here wonder why many people are willing to accept China as the new world power instead of the USA. ( Even if they have to hide their heads underground once we start taking about human rights).
You have to consider those situations were different than US starting the war. One was against traitors and the other was surprise attack.Yeah. Lincoln and FDR were both re-elected during wartime (actual, declared wars).
I would think anyone sane at this point (i.e. Iran, china, Canada,. Mexico, et.) is just going to try and wait 2020 out, maybe spend a few hundred million trying to sway the election away from Trump.They keep failing at baiting Iran because Iran sees right through them. Iran has kept a low profile despite sanctions being reestablished, the Iran nuclear deal shredded and oil importers threatened with sanctions. They know better and are just waiting these nuts out.
I would think anyone sane at this point (i.e. Iran, china, Canada,. Mexico, et.) is just going to try and wait 2020 out, maybe spend a few hundred million trying to sway the election away from Trump.