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Just go when food runs out? Am I missing something? Sorry.
3 items of varied selection of food is still quite substantial. It's been a mild inconvenience for me but is doable, but I don't mind as we all need to accept we can't carry on as normal and small sacrifices need to made.
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You'll be fine under those circumstances I'd imagine.
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Feeling bad for New reverts who have nobody to break fast with or living in a home where family not accepting there choice of religion. Mosques and Islamic groups do good things for new Muslims during Ramadan. It's gonna be tough situation for them.
Feeling bad for New reverts who have nobody to break fast with or living in a home where family not accepting there choice of religion. Mosques and Islamic groups do good things for new Muslims during Ramadan. It's gonna be tough situation for them.
3 weeks plus.... gonna kill me not seeing the missus but on the plus side ive got 600 episodes of doctor who to watch
It can't be helped. I'm sure if you explain it'll be fine - you're literally moving to your new house because you're about to lose your old one.
Yeah I see that, but this is the new normal until things change, which they will. I'm sure the community will be quite inventive to include all somehow.
This still isn't going to make much difference. Supermarkets will still be rammed with people and shelves will be bare. Leave 2 lanes open on the motorways, set up checkpoints on each junction, wave food lorries through, stop and divert anyone else.
Visible high profile action will deter people.
Visible high profile action will deter people.
Coronavirus: First analysis reveals trends in UK's critical cases
The first analysis of people receiving critical hospital treatment after testing positive for COVID-19 covers almost 200 patients.
news.sky.com
Two or three of the same item. I think it's actually fairly rare for bulk buying certain items even in normal circumstances?
Ridiculous to suggest you can't survive without buying 10 packs of spaghetti, or 8 cauliflowers.
Finally made a step in the right direction to slow the rate of growth of infections. It shouldn't have taken the ridiculous scenes at the weekend to push this decision to lock-down through- it was clear with the mixed ambiguous messaging, and just being meekly asked to stay in last week wouldn't get through and/or be taken seriously. The government should have anticipated that the first spot of nice weather would have people disregarding the safety of themselves and others, and started this before the weekend. If anything closure of pubs, restaurants etc on Friday without a lock-down then probably swayed a lot of people into going to the countryside/seaside/parks.
A lot of the measures sound reasonable too- exercise once per day, you can get the essentials, go to work if you must, they haven't gone straight to a curfew, and held that back for later. Sensible restrictions on gatherings and people congregating too, following the lead from Germany. I still believe the public will push the government very quickly to the next step though by not following these rules, with large numbers thinking they are exempted from this, and won't hurt others through their actions (or they simply don't care).
There's also grumblings from police forces that they don't feel they have the powers to enforce this. Perhaps they need the emergency powers bill passing to do so?
A lot of the measures sound reasonable too- exercise once per day, you can get the essentials, go to work if you must, they haven't gone straight to a curfew, and held that back for later. Sensible restrictions on gatherings and people congregating too, following the lead from Germany. I still believe the public will push the government very quickly to the next step though by not following these rules, with large numbers thinking they are exempted from this, and won't hurt others through their actions (or they simply don't care).
There's also grumblings from police forces that they don't feel they have the powers to enforce this. Perhaps they need the emergency powers bill passing to do so?
NHS IDs, delivery manifest for pharmacy, cleaning supply for a hospital, supermarket clock in card. There's a clear paper trail for supply side, most other essential workers have some form of ID on hand.
I've used them in the past. They're not bad.Here's that link again folks, sure glad I put my order in when I did. If you know vulnerable people this could be handy.
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My car is booked in at a local garage tomorrow. No idea what the situation is. Numerous people on twitter saying either garages are an essential service or that MOTs have been extended by three months. I don't believe any of that though, we could do we clarification from official sources on this for sure.
But that's the thing though - it's simply not possible to shut down society like this plan is suggesting. Or the previous one. Tons of people have essential work that can't be done by WFH. People need to eat. People have relatives and friends to care for. There are endless, reasonable objections to the restrictions - like the poster above who has shared custody of his kid and has to let him see his mum. Should take out be allowed? Why? Why not? And at the end of the day, what's even the point if people need to work and need to go the supermarket, to which there genuinely is no realistic alternative at this time. Or if there was, would that actually work?
Shutdowns sound logical right up to the point where you realise just how complex society is and how putting it on hold is way harder than you think.
It's not possible to eliminate all risk and potential for infection. It just isn't. You quickly reach the point of diminishing returns and I suspect that this is way beyond it.
Also watching Dr Who for the first time here, and I found this handy guide to episodes essential.
Shows which serials are missing episodes and which are worth watching vs not.
Honestly I would recommend only watching the blue recommended episodes and maybe the green good ones.
That doesn't seem to suggest it's being enforced. The guidance for commuting is if you can't WFH rather than being a key service.
And with that, bang goes my income. Apparently there's some dispute as to whether company directors can claim the furlough pay support, there's some dispute as to whether my shop will qualify for the £10k grant - and in the absence of both of those, there's nothing.
I'm doing that tomorrow anyway - evacuating my son from Liverpool to isolate him in relatively-safe-Somerset. Anyone tries to stop me will get an earful!
Yes, I think it will be pretty effective. Up until yesterday my shop, though very small, was quite busy - so a continual stream of people in close proximity handling things that others had handled - and they travelled from about 100 miles around in all directions, probably a prime place for the sort of transmission they are trying to stop. I'd announced restrictions on entry this morning with a view to closing in a week's time anyway until Boris beat me to it.
I suspect there are two angles to it: (1) restricting the sort of long-range transmission I mentioned and (2) restricting transmission within the local area.
I'm doing that tomorrow anyway - evacuating my son from Liverpool to isolate him in relatively-safe-Somerset. Anyone tries to stop me will get an earful!
Yes, I think it will be pretty effective. Up until yesterday my shop, though very small, was quite busy - so a continual stream of people in close proximity handling things that others had handled - and they travelled from about 100 miles around in all directions, probably a prime place for the sort of transmission they are trying to stop. I'd announced restrictions on entry this morning with a view to closing in a week's time anyway until Boris beat me to it.
I suspect there are two angles to it: (1) restricting the sort of long-range transmission I mentioned and (2) restricting transmission within the local area.
Dunno if this was posted this morning, but to all those who think that herd immunity is still part of the strategy: look how far the government is running from that idea now.
Not enough clarity with this at all.
How the heck can people not know whether they should be going to work tomorrow.
How the heck can people not know whether they should be going to work tomorrow.
I went to a city centre M&S at 5pm today and it was way quieter than normal and options were only a bit more limited than usual. I think these cries of panic buying are overstated, as people were saying a few pages ago the system is honed to a point and when people start doing bigger shops to cover 5-7 days instead of 2-4 it's going to take an adjustment. Stocks will probably take another dip again now for a couple of days but they'll work it out.
I think the employer needs to take responsibility at some point, the government can't speak to every single case. Large corporate offices have mostly been shutting down since last week.
As someone not from UK reading the reactions to the lock-down here had me a bit flabbergasted. So many people nitpicking this and that like they are already planning on doing anything to avoid the lock-down. Others are wondering if there is enough police to enforce it. It works in pretty much every other European country that enforced a lock-down and the police's job is only to fine several people who are too obvious in breaking the rules.
Like reading this thread you would think that UK is some Mad Max shit where you can't impose any rule.
Like reading this thread you would think that UK is some Mad Max shit where you can't impose any rule.
This bit doesn't bode well...Coronavirus: First analysis reveals trends in UK's critical cases
The first analysis of people receiving critical hospital treatment after testing positive for COVID-19 covers almost 200 patients.
I agree but if someone hasn't been told to stay at home by their employer they will go to work.
Telling people to stay home unless work is "essential" doesn't really say anything as people answer to their employer.
thisis a key ambiguity in the announcement. What is 'absolutely necessary' - your boss can just tell you you have to go to work? They need to define categories or something
likewise with supermarkets - need more controls. Lots of people won't feel comfortable going once a week if we expect empty shelves or heaving crowds
Police on radio 5 and a lawyer, they would class this as essential, until you hear differently from the DFT
Decided I ain't risking it with my asthma. Self isolation starts now. Well, I have been doing it as much as possible. Have still been going to work (can't work from home) and shopping once a week. Not going to work and I have enough food/supplies to last at least 2 weeks.
I was hospitalised last year for the flu and it scared the hell out of me. Not going through that shit again.
I was hospitalised last year for the flu and it scared the hell out of me. Not going through that shit again.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised garages haven't been mentioned at all as key workers yet/ or if there being forced to close. I know less driving due to lockdown but people will still drive to the shops.
Thanks, I will give the garage a call in the morning to check they are open before I head out.
One thought that did cross my mind, it will have an effect on traffic congestion. I wonder if, aside from the general contagion strategy, whether the period we are entering is also one where it's vital that emergency services be able to move around more easily and share resources. Especially given some of the worst-case-scenario numbers thrown around predicted to need hospitalisation. Diminishing returns on the infection rate is one thing, but just getting people out of the way at a critical period is perhaps a related point.
Managed to speak to my boss, he's coming in tomorrow morning to tell us the office is closed and just work from home as much as possible, although we're limited in how much we can do that
My main worry is my mum, she's a registrar for the council so I think counted as a key worker
My main worry is my mum, she's a registrar for the council so I think counted as a key worker
The rights of free-born Englishmen are part of our national history. There are still communities in England who have ancient rights to free roam certain lands. It's kind of a big deal.
And it should be the employer's responsibility. Actually any decent employer should have already prepared a plan for this scenario. If the employer says the working from home is not realistic there is nothing the government can do. This is the situation in all the European countries under lock-down. Even Italy.
Unfortunately the British public is not as well behaved like others and it will need stricter enforcing than in other countries
Hoping my barbers manages to avoid shutdown for least couple of days. Will go tomorrow and pray it's still open.
Man needs trim and can't be letting hair grow for another three weeks
I'm hoping the government will clarify shortly one way or another. If I don't hear anything I'll just go by whatever my garage decide in the morning. Hopefully I don't end up in a situation where my car gets stuck at the garage!
Someone should work out how many hospitalisations are going to happen and if we have enough ambulances.
I saw in the news that they are finding people dead in their homes in Spain under lockdown, having gone in their sleep.
It's the same everywhere else. Everyone across Europe is coming up with rationalisations for why the rules don't apply to them.
Italy’s Draconian Lockdown Shows Why Mass Quarantines Won’t Work in the West
The WHO called Italy “courageous” for locking down a quarter of the country to try to contain COVID-19, but foolhardy is probably a better description.
www.thedailybeast.com
Fears 'lockdown parties' will increase global spread of coronavirus
Young people around the world have been defying official advice and bans to carry on socialising
www.theguardian.com
Spaniards begin renting out their dogs so others under coronavirus lockdown can take walks 'without getting fined' - Olive Press News Spain
OFFERS of a dog have begun popping up on Spanish online marketplaces as the coronavirus quarantine measures enter their third day of effect. Adverts seen
www.theolivepress.es
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