UK coronavirus discussion. “Stay at home. Protect the NHS. Save lives.”

TheZjman

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My wife and I were having a discussion this morning, and we're both of the opinion that there's zero chance of schools going back this academic year. I do wonder if we might see schools re-opening in what would normally have been the summer holidays, though - i.e. July and August. Exams are obviously canned, but kids who aren't in exam years will still need the curriculum to be covered as far as possible.

I seem to remember you being a teacher or working in a school, so no doubt you know way more about this than my amateur guesswork.
I work for a trust, we are planning for the original 12 week estimate - and then returning after that but i would say the lack of social distancing probably has set us back another month or so, and obviously this all depends on how the NHS copes. But we are mainly primary schools so not as relevant to GCSEs etc.
 

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According to MSN reason for the change in death count is -

The Times' Chris Smyth reports

Death figures update: last night only 28 new fatalities recorded.
Alas this is not good news, it is because there are now so many deaths NHS using a 7.30am cut off instead of 1pm.
So govt looking at changing how they are reported
We may not get any death figures today, as they are looking at moving to publishing first thing in the morning.
Aim is to give more time to collate NHS data and inform families before ages and locations made public


So it may not be a way to hide the figures, just a case that the NHS is struggling with an increase in deaths.
 

TheZjman

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I'm venturing to "big Tesco" this evening, but by evening I mean 9pm. And only to get alcohol for cocktails. I know my priorities man.

EGGS WOULD BE NICE. I HAVEN'T SEEN AN EGG IN TWO WEEKS.

You're the devil's taint.



No you didn't at all! it's a natural assumption that as professionals we'd know more, but we got given no info or forewarning. We found out about the school closure's exactly the same time as everybody else and had to scramble to accomodate.
If you can - definitely try and scope out a local fruit and veg dealer via facebook or similar. I managed to find a wholesaler in my area who delivered to me within two days, all the fruit and veg i wanted and also milk, eggs, and bread. It was a little pricey, naturally, but worth it and saved a whole lot of effort.
 

Aprikurt

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If you can - definitely try and scope out a local fruit and veg dealer via facebook or similar. I managed to find a wholesaler in my area who delivered to me within two days, all the fruit and veg i wanted and also milk, eggs, and bread. It was a little pricey, naturally, but worth it and saved a whole lot of effort.
Good idea. Peppers, eggs, and chicken are basically non-existent near me right now.
 

Unclebenny

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So I'm not sure on this. Derbyshire police using a drone to shame people for walking alone in the Peak District.


I think the phrase they use "The Advice Is Clear" is the most telling, as the advice is not bloody clear. I thought the National Parks remained open.

Also these people are all obviously out walking in, you would assume, family groups far away from anyone else. I went for a short walk near my house earlier and passed plenty of people, kept having to dodge from one side of the road to the other.
 

Psychotext

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Also these people are all obviously out walking in, you would assume, family groups far away from anyone else. I went for a short walk near my house earlier and passed plenty of people, kept having to dodge from one side of the road to the other.
Yeah, I disagree with what they're doing there. Walking is valid exercise, and good for both body and mind.

Wind your neck in coppers.
 

Temascos

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So I'm not sure on this. Derbyshire police using a drone to shame people for walking alone in the Peak District.


I think the phrase they use "The Advice Is Clear" is the most telling, as the advice is not bloody clear. I thought the National Parks remained open.

Also these people are all obviously out walking in, you would assume, family groups far away from anyone else. I went for a short walk near my house earlier and passed plenty of people, kept having to dodge from one side of the road to the other.
I'm hearing so many mixed messages about walking, myself and likely loads of people are keeping well more than 2 metres apart from each other, not going out if you have symptoms and all that. I get keeping away from busy areas but that footage shown is not an example of a 'busy' environment.
 
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If you can - definitely try and scope out a local fruit and veg dealer via facebook or similar. I managed to find a wholesaler in my area who delivered to me within two days, all the fruit and veg i wanted and also milk, eggs, and bread. It was a little pricey, naturally, but worth it and saved a whole lot of effort.
This is fantastic advice. Try to find those who previously supplied local hotels, restaurants and the like, they will appreciate the business and if they have had any sense have likely shifted to food box business model.
 

Doby

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So I'm not sure on this. Derbyshire police using a drone to shame people for walking alone in the Peak District.


I think the phrase they use "The Advice Is Clear" is the most telling, as the advice is not bloody clear. I thought the National Parks remained open.

Also these people are all obviously out walking in, you would assume, family groups far away from anyone else. I went for a short walk near my house earlier and passed plenty of people, kept having to dodge from one side of the road to the other.
The advice should be, you cannot travel to exercise. They can't close national parks because people live within them and it's perfectly reasonable to use them for exercise (without using a car to get there).
 
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MmmSkyscraper

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Regarding the drone video, it's not busy up there but can't say how far they travelled (might be locals) or how remote it is. They advised going for a walk is fine but also not to bugger off to the countryside so that if accidents happen, emergency services don't have to trawl their way out there cos Timmy fell down a well and Lassie's on lockdown.
 

Garfield

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So I'm not sure on this. Derbyshire police using a drone to shame people for walking alone in the Peak District.


I think the phrase they use "The Advice Is Clear" is the most telling, as the advice is not bloody clear. I thought the National Parks remained open.

Also these people are all obviously out walking in, you would assume, family groups far away from anyone else. I went for a short walk near my house earlier and passed plenty of people, kept having to dodge from one side of the road to the other.
They should be concentrating on real issues, not wasting resources to find 10 people in the middle of nowhere.
 

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Yeah, I disagree with what they're doing there. Walking is valid exercise, and good for both body and mind.

Wind your neck in coppers.
I think the main issue here is that some of the vehicles are coming from far away, which isnt essential travel. But I totally agree that if parks are open, and people live nearby and its quiet, then its a perfect place to exercise.

I go running (and walking) and its an absolute hazard right now, on my own but groups of people who are all across the path in the park and wont be responsible... who still havent got the message, they are acting like its a holiday.
 

Puroresu_kid

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So I'm not sure on this. Derbyshire police using a drone to shame people for walking alone in the Peak District.


I think the phrase they use "The Advice Is Clear" is the most telling, as the advice is not bloody clear. I thought the National Parks remained open.

Also these people are all obviously out walking in, you would assume, family groups far away from anyone else. I went for a short walk near my house earlier and passed plenty of people, kept having to dodge from one side of the road to the other.
Honestly don't the police have better things to do. A couple of people in an empty park walking the dog isn't an issue.
 

Honolulu Blue

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I live in a small village with tourist footfall that's a magnet for walkers and cyclists, not a million miles from where some of these stories are coming from in Derbyshire. There has been a police presence around here for the last 2 days.

My perception is that walking outside isn't an issue (subject to the other distancing measures etc). Going out of your way to drive to nicer spots because you'd rather be walking there than local is. Ultimately the idea is stop unnecessary movement and spread. Walking outside is allowed, travelling to somewhere you think is nicer to do it isn't necessary.
 

Unclebenny

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I live in a small village with tourist footfall that's a magnet for walkers and cyclists, not a million miles from where some of these stories are coming from in Derbyshire. There has been a police presence around here for the last 2 days.

My perception is that walking outside isn't an issue (subject to the other distancing measures etc). Going out of your way to drive to nicer spots because you'd rather be walking there than local is. Ultimately the idea is stop unnecessary movement and spread. Walking outside is allowed, travelling to somewhere you think is nicer to do it isn't necessary.
I suppose the problem is, how close is allowed?

Some of the other tweets in that thread suggest that travel from Sheffield to Derbyshire isn't allowed. Fair enough. Am I allowed to travel from sheffield into the Peaks if I stay in Yorkshire?

That's been the problem with the government response to this crisis. A complete lack of detail. That works in election campaigns because people don't care enough for the detail, they just want headlines and a leader they can imagine being friendly with. This requires a totally different approach.
 

Redcrayon

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Honestly don't the police have better things to do. A couple of people in an empty park walking the dog isn't an issue.
That’s not so much a ‘park’, that’s a huge national park where people have to be rescued on a semi-regular basis by mountain rescue organisations that are likely understaffed right now too. Going for a wander around the block? Fair enough. Going hiking in the peaks? Travelling a long way is exactly what they don’t want families doing right now.
 

Honolulu Blue

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I suppose the problem is, how close is allowed?

Some of the other tweets in that thread suggest that travel from Sheffield to Derbyshire isn't allowed. Fair enough. Am I allowed to travel from sheffield into the Peaks if I stay in Yorkshire?

That's been the problem with the government response to this crisis. A complete lack of detail. That works in election campaigns because people don't care enough for the detail, they just want headlines and a leader they can imagine being friendly with. This requires a totally different approach.
I cant disagree with that. It's definitely not clear. I can only really speculate based on what I've seen around my area over the last 2 days, and living in an area that people would and normally do come to for an escape.

I'm only just outside Sheffield myself, so if you were to receive a specific answer to then I'd love to hear it..!
 

Unclebenny

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I cant disagree with that. It's definitely not clear. I can only really speculate based on what I've seen around my area over the last 2 days, and living in an area that people would and normally do come to for an escape.

I'm only just outside Sheffield myself, so if you were to receive a specific answer to then I'd love to hear it..!
Myself as well, I was hoping a quick trip into the peaks would be a much needed escape but don't want to end up with a fine. Probably just stay at home to keep safe.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Reports coming out over the last hour that we've rejected participating in a joint venture with the European Commission with help obtaining PPE.

They've pretty much ordered the full global capacity of gloves, masks and ventilators, asked us if we would like to participate and we said no. Like the twats we are.

 

Psychotext

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That’s not so much a ‘park’, that’s a huge national park where people have to be rescued on a semi-regular basis by mountain rescue organisations that are likely understaffed right now too. Going for a wander around the block? Fair enough. Going hiking in the peaks? Travelling a long way is exactly what they don’t want families doing right now.
Yeah, having watched more of the drone footage... there are people putting themselves in irresponsible positions.

Just like I'm not doing DH mountain biking right now, they shouldn't be fucking around on cliff edges.
 

Gypsie

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So err I live in the City centre of Norwich - I have been driving to the UEA/Earlham Park or Whitlingham to walk the dogs and exercise once per day for a couple of hours. After seeing that drone video should i not be doing this?

Should I just walk around the city or what?
 

P-MAC

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So err I live in the City centre of Norwich - I have been driving to the UEA/Earlham Park or Whitlingham to walk the dogs and exercise once per day for a couple of hours. After seeing that drone video should i not be doing this?

Should I just walk around the city or what?
Parks are fine although obviously avoid driving whenever possible. If it's your nearest decent walk place then you don't really have a choice. National parks are bit different though because people don't live in them and have clearly travelled a fair distance which is completely unnecessary
 

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So err I live in the City centre of Norwich - I have been driving to the UEA/Earlham Park or Whitlingham to walk the dogs and exercise once per day for a couple of hours. After seeing that drone video should i not be doing this?

Should I just walk around the city or what?
Yeah its certainly more complex if you live in the city centre and that's part of the confusion I think. Based on guidelines, I would say that you'd probably be best trying to walk around the city centre... but I guess that has its own issues. I'm fortunate that I live in a small town, but the park isnt that big and still two many people in groups of 3 or 4 walking around. Good luck.
 

Doby

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So err I live in the City centre of Norwich - I have been driving to the UEA/Earlham Park or Whitlingham to walk the dogs and exercise once per day for a couple of hours. After seeing that drone video should i not be doing this?
You shouldn't be doing that.

Travel is allowed for shopping, medical needs and work (if essential). That's it, that's the advice.
 

Ravensmash

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No issue with the drone video.

The advice is pretty clear - you can go out close to your home once a day to exercise if you so wish - not travel via car to remote locations to faff about on mountains.

I'd also assume that as the emergency services are going to be incredibly stretched at present, the last thing they want is people travelling via car unnecessarily (which is in line with the government advice of staying at home).
 

Guppeth

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The way I think about it, it's not "what's the limit to the outdoor stuff I'm allowed to do?", it's "what's the least I can do without going stir-crazy?" For me, a walk round the block in the early hours is enough.

They haven't limited us enough, so everyone pushing those limits is not good.

In fairness, I live right next to a mountain... so we don't all have to drive to get to them. :)
Yeah I think this is fine. I think some people get annoyed because it's not fair you have a mountain and they don't, but it's not a good way to think about it.
 
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Parks are fine although obviously avoid driving whenever possible. If it's your nearest decent walk place then you don't really have a choice. National parks are bit different though because people don't live in them and have clearly travelled a fair distance which is completely unnecessary
I'd agree with this. Much more likely to bump into people walking along the pavement than in a park. Your dogs need exercise too, cant sling a ball down the high street.
 

jem

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I live on the outskirts of a city where the streets around my house can be reasonably busy.

5 minutes drive away is the countryside where it's easy to avoid people completely.

I feel like driving for 5 minutes and walking around in some fields is safer for myself (and others) than walking around the block.
 

PJV3

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Some of the behaviour is dumb but it was the large groups of people socialising that was the threat. I think the police would just be better off dealing with the people quietly for now.
 

Gypsie

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No issue with the drone video.

The advice is pretty clear - you can go out close to your home once a day to exercise if you so wish - not travel via car to remote locations to faff about on mountains.

I'd also assume that as the emergency services are going to be incredibly stretched at present, the last thing they want is people travelling via car unnecessarily (which is in line with the government advice of staying at home).
That's what I thought but the guy above you seems to disagree. I've been driving once per day for 10 mins to be able to exercise and walk the dogs.

???

Walking around the city centre seems like a worse idea but what the hell do I know
 

Psychotext

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I think part of the difficulty there is that driving is inherently dangerous. Obviously if you keep people off the roads, you reduce the chances you'll take up NHS / police resources dealing with them in the event of an accident.

It's not just about the social distancing aspect.
 

Doby

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Some of the behaviour is dumb but it was the large groups of people socialising that was the threat. I think the police would just be better off dealing with the people quietly for now.
It's traveling that is the threat but obviously groups make this threat exponential because everyone travels in different directions.

You contain the spread by not spreading (i.e. travelling). It's really very simple.
 

Gypsie

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I think part of the difficulty there is that driving is inherently dangerous. Obviously if you keep people off the roads, you reduce the chances you'll take up NHS / police resources dealing with them in the event of an accident.

It's not just about the social distancing aspect.
Fair enough. I shall walk around the city - should have stayed in the bloody countryside :/
 

VE3TRO

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I live on the outskirts of a city where the streets around my house can be reasonably busy.

5 minutes drive away is the countryside where it's easy to avoid people completely.

I feel like driving for 5 minutes and walking around in some fields is safer for myself (and others) than walking around the block.
Thats what I've been doing, too many people around here out so it's harder to keep distance and even more so with the dog. Theres a spot I've been going to for years for walks which is 5-10 mins drive away and its still pretty much dead.
 

Irrotational

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The advice should be, you cannot travel to exercise. They can't close national parks because people live within them and it's perfectly reasonable to use them for exercise (without using a car to get there).
I disagree with even that to be honest - if you get in your car, drive there,. get out where no-one is around, walk, get back in, drive home, it's no different to just setting off from home.

I get that people should avoid "hotspots" where lots of other people are also likely to drive and park...but that's not happening in the video.
 

Redcrayon

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I disagree with even that to be honest - if you get in your car, drive there,. get out where no-one is around, walk, get back in, drive home, it's no different to just setting off from home.

I get that people should avoid "hotspots" where lots of other people are also likely to drive and park...but that's not happening in the video.
There’s lots of cars in that car park, and the odds are they all don’t exactly live down the road. That’s the kind of contagion vector they are trying to stop, let alone letting people walk around a tourist hotspot known for walkers ending up with knackered ankles etc while emergency services are understaffed and stretched.
 

Bunga

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You shouldn't be doing that.

Travel is allowed for shopping, medical needs and work (if essential). That's it, that's the advice.
Not sure this is correct - the advice was it's fine to go out a walk if you're maintaining distance but just not in groups of larger than 2 people.

What I've been doing is going around the block to a nearby field and letting my boys have a run and kick about in there. Only the occasional dog walker comes through but because it's a field distancing is obviously very simple.

We've got police cars patrolling our estate now seemingly, I assume to disperse anyone but I haven't seen any groups out at all where I am (near Skipton).
 
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Zaph

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I disagree with even that to be honest - if you get in your car, drive there,. get out where no-one is around, walk, get back in, drive home, it's no different to just setting off from home.

I get that people should avoid "hotspots" where lots of other people are also likely to drive and park...but that's not happening in the video.
The advice is hazy at best, but I think the point is to minimise the potential for contact, as well as contact itself. If you're driving unnecessarily, there's the possibility of a breakdown, an accident, or even just having to get fuel more often than otherwise.
 

Redcrayon

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Not sure this is correct - the advice was it's fine to go out a walk if you're maintaining distance but just not in groups of larger than 2 people.


You should only leave the house for one of four reasons:

  • Shopping for basic necessities, for example food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as possible.
  • One form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.
  • Any medical need, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person.
  • Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home.
These four reasons are exceptions - even when doing these activities, you should be minimising time spent outside of the home and ensuring you are 2 metres apart from anyone outside of your household.
‘Minimising time outside the home’ is not driving to the Peak District and wandering around for half the day, or spending a couple of hours in the park. I think they mean ‘go for a run or walk the dog’ etc, not ‘only leave the house once but it’s fine if I’m out all afternoon’.

They could have been both clearer and firmer though.
 
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ibrahima

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I think that video is just going to get people’s backs up and make the situation worse.

The message from the government is unsparing and wide ranging because large numbers of idiots didn’t listen, went to busy places and they kept on like life was normal. Two people walking their dog in a national park with no one else around doesn’t seem like something that is going to create a significantly higher risk compared to going to their local shops.
 

Doby

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Not sure this is correct - the advice was it's fine to go out a walk if you're maintaining distance but just not in groups of larger than 2 people.

What I've been doing is going around the block to a nearby field and letting my boys have a run and kick about in there. Only the occasional dog walker comes through but because it's a field distancing is obviously very simple.

We've got police cars patrolling our estate now seemingly, I assume to disperse anyone but I haven't seen any groups out at all where I am (near Skipton).
Exercise is not travelling. Traveling is defined as using a vehicle.

The advice is hazy at best, but I think the point is to minimise the potential for contact, as well as contact itself. If you're driving unnecessarily, there's the possibility of a breakdown, an accident, or even just having to get fuel more often than otherwise.
It's only hazy if you're looking for loopholes to suit whatever it is you want to do, or would usually do.

But I agree, using a car opens up a whole load of avoidable possibilities. Slim possibilities sure, but when you have millions doing it slim possibilities become realities which could result in viral transmission over a much wider area.
 
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