UK Coronavirus Discussion

[Deleted member 34788]

I wonder what the reaction might be when that doesn't turn out to be the case...

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Nothing much at all, polling reported by politico London playbook showed massive support for the lockdown, and over half of respondents, 54% wanting tougher measures. Like 14% thought the lockdown and its length was too much. The polling also hinted heavily at people being fine with it being extended.

Frankly, talking heads on Twitter might complain about the lockdown and anecdotal Twitter posts might say people are out and about, but by large the big majority of people are staying the fuck home near home.

Despite the online chatter, the nation is shitting itself, as it should, about the disease and looks very likely to accept longer and tougher measures just to get back to normal sooner rather then later. In a pretty remarkable twist, it's the tories being too 'lefty and liberal' in not going for tougher lockdown measures.

Why is it so hard to find peanut butter!?

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It's one of the essential items that's listed on what to get when you need emergency/long lasting food and supplies. Haven't yet seen a list or website that doesn't list it as an item to get.

 

[Syder]

706 confirmed cases, 96 deaths in the county here and the two nearest hospitals to me have had 20+ deaths each now.

I've been fearing for the last couple of weeks that the virus had spread this far out from London - People who commute to London bringing it back and infecting elderly relatives. This place could be decimated of dozens of elderly people if it's in our old peoples' homes.

 

[Biggzy]

706 confirmed cases, 96 deaths in the county here and the two nearest hospitals to me have had 20+ deaths each now.

I've been fearing for the last couple of weeks that the virus had spread this far out from London - People who commute to London bringing it back and infecting elderly relatives. This place could be decimated of dozens of elderly people if it's in our old peoples' homes.

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Not sure where you are but Watford General Hospital has declared a critical instant and closed their A&E department to new patients, so it seems like your theory could hold some weight unfortunately.

 

[Chanser]

Coronavirus: Thirteen Glasgow care home residents die in one week

Staff at the Glasgow home said they were "closely monitoring" the health of other people in their care.

www.bbc.co.uk

:(

 

[dean_rcg]

We've lived in a very small village for 6 years and we have never seen as many cyclists as today. Groups of 4, 5, 6, families and groups of lads. Not one moved to go past me when I was cutting the grass. Also, lots of motorcyclists out for a jaunt. Tomottow will be far worse I reckon.

 

[Miss Piggy]

Damn, that number of deaths is horrifying. I might be very unpopular, but perhaps no exercise allowed at all is the only way to clamp down as everyone is still out? How do the other countries tackle it, do they allow people out for exercise? What's the sacrifice of daily excercise compared to hundreds dying every day? Then the police can be far more strict if anyone is out because people can't use that excuse anymore.

 

[RedShift]

Damn, that number of deaths is horrifying. I might be very unpopular, but perhaps no exercise allowed at all is the only way to clamp down as everyone is still out? How do the other countries tackle it, do they allow people out for exercise? What's the sacrifice of daily excercise compared to hundreds dying every day?

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I doubt it's exercise or tbh any other outdoors activity that's causing people to still catch this. It's being in shops.

 

[Little Old Man]

We've lived in a very small village for 6 years and we have never seen as many cyclists as today. Groups of 4, 5, 6, families and groups of lads. Not one moved to go past me when I was cutting the grass. Also, lots of motorcyclists out for a jaunt. Tomottow will be far worse I reckon.

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Next week will have people not doing their bit. The forecast is high teens all of next week, and then we go into the Easter weekend. Spike of deaths incoming in about three weeks time.

 

[Obsonet]

We've lived in a very small village for 6 years and we have never seen as many cyclists as today. Groups of 4, 5, 6, families and groups of lads. Not one moved to go past me when I was cutting the grass. Also, lots of motorcyclists out for a jaunt. Tomottow will be far worse I reckon.

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I think I'm going to try and walk my dog in the evening, people don't seem to be paying much attention to social distancing.
I would go in the mornings but I think the last time I got up before 10 am was like 5 years ago

 

[Punished Dan]

Trust the process 👏

Also this sounds worrying

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Wow.

 

[Deleted member 18857]

Last week I took my exercise walks around midnight, far less humans. I walked past 3 foxes. I crossed the street each time.

 

[Azurik]

Damn, that number of deaths is horrifying. I might be very unpopular, but perhaps no exercise allowed at all is the only way to clamp down as everyone is still out? How do the other countries tackle it, do they allow people out for exercise? What's the sacrifice of daily excercise compared to hundreds dying every day? Then the police can be far more strict if anyone is out because people can't use that excuse anymore.

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the death number today is for people getting infected 2-3 weeks ago and therefore before the lockdown and will be high for another week. If numbers are still high in 2-3 weeks from then, then we know the "soft" lockdown is not working and needs to reviewed.

 

[Principate]

the death number today is for people getting infected 2-3 weeks ago and therefore before the lockdown and will be high for another week. If numbers are still high in 2-3 weeks from then, then we know the "soft" lockdown is not working and needs to reviewed.

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Numbers aren't going to drastically reduce in 2-3 weeks time they haven't for Italy or Spain, our best case scenario is they'll reach around 1000 a day and the slowly plateau but we'll be in the high hundreds for a while. If we end up going much past 1,000 then that would imply the lock-down isn't being quite as effective as it should.

 

[Protome]

Coronavirus: Thirteen Glasgow care home residents die in one week

Staff at the Glasgow home said they were "closely monitoring" the health of other people in their care.

www.bbc.co.uk

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That's grim. My friend in Spain was saying that a carehome near him was reduced to a single living resident after it was hit by the virus. I hope we can avoid more situations like these

 

[Deleted member 5028]

Trust the process 👏

Also this sounds worrying

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Running out of oxygen there. People would die if they were admitted just as sure as Boris is a massive gammony cunt

 

[darkwing]

wait, UK already has 700 deaths per day and still no lockdown? why

 

[Linkified]

That and we're testing less people...........I mean What The Fuck!?!?!

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But the goal by the end of April is to do not 100k tests per day they have never said thy were going to testing 100k people per day

 

[Rodelero]

wait, UK already has 700 deaths per day and still no lockdown? why

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We have a (fairly soft) lockdown in place and have for almost two weeks?

 

[CovFan]

wait, UK already has 700 deaths per day and still no lockdown? why

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We are under a soft lockdown but a combination of the statistics lagging and some people ignoring it anyway make it worse.

 

[Deleted member 31104]

wait, UK already has 700 deaths per day and still no lockdown? why

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Good chance we're well above the 700 a day mark. The daily figures are just what has been reported since the last report not necessarily what happened that day. But our death reporting system even for hospitals can take days to come through, so the official figures are being updated over the course of the week.

Coronavirus UK death toll: why what we think we know is wrong

The figure we are all watching is likely to be an under-report, which is skewing the curve

www.theguardian.com

 

[Punished Dan]

Gove time.
Talking about ventilators.

 

[Noodle]

A few days old but a GP surgery decided to send out a letter to high-risk patients asking for permission to leave them to die:

We would therefore like to complete a DNACPR form for you which we can share … which will mean that in the event of a sudden deterioration in your condition because [of] Covid infection or disease progression the emergency services will not be called and resuscitation attempts to restart your heart or breathing will not be attempted.

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Completing a DNACPR will have several benefits

1/ your GP and more importantly your friends and family will know not to call 999.
2/ scarce ambulance resources can be targeted to the young and fit who have a greater chance

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Look how much effort they put in trying to persuade them:

The risk of transmitting the virus to friends, family and emergency responders from CPR … is very high. By having a DNACPR form in place you protect your family … [and] emergency responders from this additional risk.

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Coronavirus: GP surgery apology over 'do not resuscitate' form

Patients with life-limiting conditions were asked to sign a "do not resuscitate" form via a letter.

www.bbc.co.uk

You wouldn't want to risk your family would you? Now sign this form condemning yourself to death.

 

[nekkid]

They do?

Coronavirus (COVID-19) in Scotland

There are no covid rules or restrictions in Scotland. Find out what to do if you have symptoms, about testing, and how to stay well.

www.gov.scot

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So what was with the lag the last few weekends with numbers given on the Monday?

 

[MRORANGE]

WhatsApp has a lot of explaining to do;

Mast fire probe amid 5G coronavirus claims

There have been fires at masts in Birmingham, Liverpool and Melling in Merseyside.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Wallace Wells]

So what was with the lag the last few weekends with numbers given on the Monday?

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They reported the numbers last weekend as well however they weren't complete because a lab in Dundee wasn't able to send data

 

[Koukalaka]

WhatsApp has a lot of explaining to do;

Mast fire probe amid 5G coronavirus claims

There have been fires at masts in Birmingham, Liverpool and Melling in Merseyside.

www.bbc.co.uk

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Fucking idiots.

 

[nekkid]

They reported the numbers last weekend as well however they weren't complete because a lab in Dundee wasn't able to send data

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That's right, yeah.

 

[Deleted member 31104]

So what was with the lag the last few weekends with numbers given on the Monday?

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Two things: They had a breakdown with one of the testing labs which put out the numbers, and over the course of this week Scotland has moved to a more accurate daily count (all hospital deaths in Scotland should now be recorded by the next day)

 

[IDreamOfHime]

Insane that this 5g shite is now being talked about at this press briefing. The worst thing is the idiots will see this as the 'deep state' trying to 'cover it up'.

 

[Deleted member 31104]

A few days old but a GP surgery decided to send out a letter to high-risk patients asking for permission to leave them to die:

Look how much effort they put in trying to persuade them:

Coronavirus: GP surgery apology over 'do not resuscitate' form

Patients with life-limiting conditions were asked to sign a "do not resuscitate" form via a letter.

www.bbc.co.uk

You wouldn't want to risk your family would you? Now sign this form condemning yourself to death.

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WE WON'T ABANDON YOU!, but could you sign this form so we can abandon you to slow drown in your own fluids with only the minimum of intervention our overstretched GP practice can do. Ta.

 

[Opposable]

As this is almost a war-time situation can the government not use their powers to censor or remove bullshit media stories like the above 5g conspiracies?

Also surely places like Facebook and YouTube have a duty of care to not allow shit like this to happen. Celebrities are getting on the "5g is causing us to be locked inside" band wagon now which is only gonna expose more people to this.

 

[Aprikurt]

As this is almost a war-time situation can the government not use their powers to censor or remove bullshit media stories like the above 5g conspiracies?

Also surely places like Facebook and YouTube have a duty of care to not allow shit like this to happen. Celebrities are getting on the "5g is causing us to be locked inside" band wagon now which is only gonna expose more people to this.

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The moderation on these sorts of social media platforms has been bullshit for a long time, and now we're finally seeing the real damage it can cause.

 

[Punished Dan]

Maybe it's trivial, but it seems like a lot of Liverpool fans and even ex-players like Carragher are fuming with their decision today.

Jamie Carragher on Twitter

“Jurgen Klopp showed compassion for all at the start of this pandemic, senior players heavily involved in @premierleague players taking wage cuts. Then all that respect & goodwill is lost, poor this @LFC https://t.co/9bE8Rw1veE”

twitter.com

 

[Deleted member 34788]

The bigger problem is they don't know exactly how long a persons antibodies will last. Some Corona last months, some like SARS last years. They are estimating 2-3 years but that's just a best guess based on the little they do know and the trend that antibodies usually last longer in diseases with increased severity. Meanwhile MERS has a much higher death rate (very poor reporting so probably overestimated) and the antibodies last barely a year. Now even though reinfection after antibody loss won't be as bad due to immune cell memory, for the time they are reinfected they will be infectious.

Until we have a concrete length of time before reinfection can occur we're playing a game of Russian Roulette with the population. I presume they are monitoring the first cases to see how long antibodies last, but there will be variances and until we see a solid amount of people hitting 3,6,12,24... months of immunity I don't know it's safe to let people rejoin society en masse.

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I agree with your post, it is Russian roulette, we just need to ensure the chambers is as large as possible and the bullets as little as possible in number. That's all we can do as a species. We in part do the same with the current tests to see if you do have the disease.Countries like China with the terrible to O.K. accuracy rate in testing for this disease pale in comparison to SK with the highly accurate test they put out. But even then that test isn't 100% rock solid accurate. Despite China being a superpower compared to SK.

Its a shit situation, but having a test like they are trying to get would help not only the right wing government fucks immensely but also everyone else.

Even having immunity for 3-6 months would massively help the battle against this. I suspect it will be longer but yes, you can bet China and SK are monitoring those who had this like hawks.

I would let those who have proven themselves up to the task to deliver an accurate, trustworthy antibody test not too far away but soon after all milestones are met. Germany and East Asia are leading the charge for the antibody test, and right now globally, they look to be the ones that rode out this terrible wave the best.

 

[Miss Piggy]

Even one of my friends, who is a frontline healthcare professional, said she thinks that some of the symptoms are due to 5G... *smh*

 

[Deleted member 44129]

Even one of my friends, who is a frontline healthcare professional, said she thinks that some of the symptoms are due to 5G... *smh*

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I'm not sure that person should be in ther job if that's her medical "knowledge". What other beliefs does she hold? Homeopathy? Incantations? Is she going to start giving heroine to patients to exorcise the ghosts in their blood?

 

[Audioboxer]

Maybe it's trivial, but it seems like a lot of Liverpool fans and even ex-players like Carragher are fuming with their decision today.

Jamie Carragher on Twitter

“Jurgen Klopp showed compassion for all at the start of this pandemic, senior players heavily involved in @premierleague players taking wage cuts. Then all that respect & goodwill is lost, poor this @LFC https://t.co/9bE8Rw1veE”

twitter.com

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Good guy.

Even one of my friends, who is a frontline healthcare professional, said she thinks that some of the symptoms are due to 5G... *smh*

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If you're serious, that is shocking.

 

[Puroresu_kid]

Domestic abuse cases soar as lockdown takes its toll

Some charities can no longer ‘effectively support’ women because of lockdown and staff sickness

www.theguardian.com

 

[Deleted member 23381]

WhatsApp has a lot of explaining to do;

Mast fire probe amid 5G coronavirus claims

There have been fires at masts in Birmingham, Liverpool and Melling in Merseyside.

www.bbc.co.uk

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lmaooooooooooooo

 

[silentg]

There are going to be more deaths from cancer, suicide, alcohol, and other conditions than COVID. I DO NOT WANT TO UNDERPLAY the pandemic but there are going to be a lot of unforgotten and ignored deaths.

 

[trudderham]

Damn, that number of deaths is horrifying. I might be very unpopular, but perhaps no exercise allowed at all is the only way to clamp down as everyone is still out? How do the other countries tackle it, do they allow people out for exercise? What's the sacrifice of daily excercise compared to hundreds dying every day? Then the police can be far more strict if anyone is out because people can't use that excuse anymore.

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Keep in mind experts expect people to die roughly two to three weeks after first catching CoVID, so the figures we're seeing now reflect actions and attitudes from mid-March. With the lockdown now two weeks into action, hopefully we'll start to see death figures fall next week. Showing symptoms happens around two weeks after catching CoVID, and we're already seeing new cases fall, so there's light on the horizon.

 

[Punished Dan]

Keep in mind experts expect people to die roughly two to three weeks after first catching CoVID, so the figures we're seeing now reflect actions and attitudes from mid-March. With the lockdown now two weeks into action, hopefully we'll start to see death figures fall next week. Showing symptoms happens around two weeks after catching CoVID, and we're already seeing new cases fall, so there's light on the horizon.

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We saw new cases fall for a few days last week iirc
Then they spiked.

Still a long way to go with this I think.

 

[Guppeth]

There are going to be more deaths from cancer, suicide, alcohol, and other conditions than COVID. I DO NOT WANT TO UNDERPLAY the pandemic but there are going to be a lot of unforgotten and ignored deaths.

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Yeah we really have to do everything we can to support and care for each other.

One of my parents' friends went for a scan last week and said there was no one else in the waiting room. So much stuff is on the back burner and there will be consequences.

I've got something I'd like to get checked out, but I've decided to wait a bit. It's probably minor but... maybe it isn't. Some people will make that choice and die as a result.

 

[Miss Piggy]

Yeah we really have to do everything we can to support and care for each other.

One of my parents' friends went for a scan last week and said there was no one else in the waiting room. So much stuff is on the back burner and there will be consequences.

I've got something I'd like to get checked out, but I've decided to wait a bit. It's probably minor but... maybe it isn't. Some people will make that choice and die as a result.

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The impact is mind boggling.

 

[Look! The Pie!]

Fuck's sake. Woke up with a dry cough and slight chest tightness/shortness of breath. I'm asthmatic, so the latter isn't all that uncommon, but my anxiety is already spiking. I don't have any of the other major Covid symptoms so hoping this is just some kind of bug/minor cold.

If I have got the virus, I'll be fucking fuming, as nobody in my circle has taken this more seriously than me. I haven't left the house in almost 3 weeks other than for weekly food shopping and walks every few days, and I've kept my distance from people each time.

 

[Kittens McMittens]

I dunno if it's been posted here, but Google is providing mobility reports. From the UK report we're looking at an 85% reduction in retail and recreation, a 55% reduction in work activity, and a 75% reduction in transport. So, I think overall the lockdown is being observed.

Really, we need to get to mass testing and contact tracing ASAP. That's the next thing that has to happen to bring this under control.

 

[Puroresu_kid]

I dunno if it's been posted here, but Google is providing mobility reports. From the UK report we're looking at an 85% reduction in retail and recreation, a 55% reduction in work activity, and a 75% reduction in transport. So, I think overall the lockdown is being observed.

Really, we need to get to mass testing and contact tracing ASAP. That's the next thing that has to happen to bring this under control.

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This. There is no more lockdown policies needed. Unless one wants people locked in their homes 24hrs a day we should stick with what we have.

South Korea is the benchmark when it comes to testing and contact tracing. No lockdown required and they got the virus under control quickly.

 

[Deleted member 44129]

This was apparently Richmond, West London today. These motherfuckers need to be water hosed.. I am so mad right now. This is about 7 miles from me. This will fill up hospital beds for miles around in a couple of weeks time.

To anyone claiming it could be BS, please read the comments. The guy talks about being a freelance photographer, who specialises in London scenes, protests and stuff. He seems legit.

 

[Glenn]

This was apparently Richmond, West London today. These motherfuckers need to be water hosed.. I am so mad right now. This is about 7 miles from me. This will fill up hospital beds for miles around in a couple of weeks time.

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Surely this can't be real right? This is ridiculous

 

[Deleted member 44129]

Surely this can't be real right? This is ridiculous

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My brother in law is a police officer. He says that despite what the govt is saying, the police are absolutely powerless. At best they can tell people the "should" go home.