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Seems like creating an atmosphere of fear and hatred for foreign hospital staff wasn't wise. The amount of EU nurses and doctors lost because of brexit is criminal.
Oh, completely agree - we need more doctors, we need more nurses, and we need more staff in the sector altogether.
A global pandemic occurring, coupled with an enforced lockdown that results in people being shielded for 12 weeks is always going to throw up challenges in any social care system though.
I'm looking for positives during all this (hah!), so I'm just thankful that so many people are clearly caring, and eager to help their vulnerable neighbours.
28 deaths in England (population 56million) and 13 in the rest of the UK (population 12million)? Reckon that's an outlier rather than anything else.
Day-to-day comparison of numbers isn't really particularly helpful imho, we need to look at trends over a longer timeframe.
Edit: total population of NI, Wales & Scotland is actually closer to 10m than 12m.
If accurate and for the whole of UK, then that would be a very small increase on the number confirmed yesterday.
Seems to be the case. Sky News are saying that NHS England have confirmed 28 deaths, plus deaths confirmed in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and it tallies up with the overall amount for the UK.
Are UK actually doing alright at this? If those numbers are correct thats a big drop on yesterday when you would expect a rise.
This and the testing news earlier is a bit of good news in a shite time.
This and the testing news earlier is a bit of good news in a shite time.
It's 465 today, so 43 deaths for the UK seems to be confirmed for today,
Isle of Man here
Closes all movement of people in and our of our island.
Essential shops only
Social distancing measures put in place most shops
A LOT of small shops and butchers have set up home delivery service for food. (so even less people have to go out)
Once a day exercise only
Fingers crossed it's enough for our small island!
Closes all movement of people in and our of our island.
Essential shops only
Social distancing measures put in place most shops
A LOT of small shops and butchers have set up home delivery service for food. (so even less people have to go out)
Once a day exercise only
Fingers crossed it's enough for our small island!
It's difficult to say on a day by day basis, because it could easily jump up significantly again tomorrow.
I guess there's a slight hope if the rest of the week's numbers remain somewhat level.
Edit: Also important to see how many people are being tested. If it's a similar number/more than yesterday, then that's also positive - but if the daily case numbers have gone up marginally but less have been tested...
But yeah, it'll be clearer in a couple of days hopefully.
Don't take those tests for granted. They may not even be rolled out:
Have the figures been published by NHS England? I follow the Department of Health on Twitter and they've released the figures so far for every day prior to today.
I'm going off the Sky News breaking banner, so they could be wrong. It's Sky News after all.
Fair enough, I doubt that even Sky News would pull a random figure out of thin air.
Having spent a fair bit of my child hood in Spain one massive difference between both the UK and Spain was always how socially active the elderly population was of an evening. Dressing up in their best clothes to meet friends, gather at bars and restaurants or even for strolls around the town and this went on most night of the week. We don't really have that in the UK as much so I'm wondering is Italy the same as Spain when it comes to night time socialising?
Similar, yes, though I'd say a fair number of oldies in the UK end up in pubs or playing bridge of an evening.
Why do nurses have to go delivering food. There's a lot more to NHS staff than frontline, you know. But speaking as one of many ex-NHS frontline staff whose entire ward was sold off by the tories, yes asking people to volunteer is taking the piss.
So you know a person who knew a person who knew a person who knew a person that was tracked and fined for going outside too much?
Exactly, nurses don't deliver food, that's why they're asking for volunteers.
Skeptical that this is indicative of a wider drop off but keeping me fingers crossed.
Also feel a bit weird about "28 in England" trending while ignoring the other deaths in the rest of the UK.
Also feel a bit weird about "28 in England" trending while ignoring the other deaths in the rest of the UK.
They aren't volunteering to be nurses, and yes they should be paid. At the end of the day it's the Tories being the scum that they are.
Wife got out on 80% salary today from work. No top up of the 20%. Won't hurt us too much unless this goes on for months but hard to take. Felt like a redundancy but I am glad these scheme is in place.
we are not going out because I am high risk but getting food and pet supplies is a real problem. I just don't see how they will ease the online delivery problem? We don't have any slots in any of our supermarkets and they go right up until the middle of April.
we are not going out because I am high risk but getting food and pet supplies is a real problem. I just don't see how they will ease the online delivery problem? We don't have any slots in any of our supermarkets and they go right up until the middle of April.
Again you're ignoring that the NHS staff hemorrhaging has been more than just nurses.
have you watched Parasite yet jem
From looking at the FT graph (https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest), that might indeed have been the case. The only way to tell is to see where things go tomorrow, and in the days after.
So my thick as pig shit father in law decided today was a great day to go on an outing with another bunch of oldies. You know, aside from it making my missus sad, I wouldn't shed a single fucking tear if he got it and it ended up killing him.
It's important to not get too caught up with daily figures and whether the increase was small or large but to look at the general trend. As you said, we need to see what the figures are over the next couple of days to see what the trend is.
The fact that they aren't volunteering to be nurses is the point I'm making.
And why exactly do they need to be paid? People volunteer to help the vulnerable all the time through charity work etc.
People want to help, why not let them and put the money into use elsewhere?
I'm not ignoring anything - I'm saying it is an irrelevant point which has nothing to do with the fantastic story that almost half a million people have come out to help our most vulnerable.
I should add, I didn't call you out because you were shitting on the Tories - I don't give a shit about that, I have no love for them at all.
I called you out because you took one of the few positive stories we've had come out of this crisis and you twisted it into another negative. Constant, toxic negativity is not what the world needs right now.
It will be harder to calculate but yes there will be a correlation as depending on what the source of information a person/group trusts that will reflect their action and will in turn affect the rate of spread. This of course will depend on the government measures at the time as well as the nature of the government.
Amen.
Plenty of time for us to discuss this once this is all over with. As it is, we're in this crisis and it's fantastic that so many people are willing to help at short notice.
Was a brief piece on BBC news tonight which showed one volunteer who was self-isolating himself, but wanted to help people who might be feeling lonely.
Also, if this brings more people together on a community level then that's fantastic and may well be another positive of this whole situation.
Daily data is noisy. It will swing up and down around a true long-term average trend.
Death data is noisy because it requires family sign off to be released.
Confirmed case data is noisy because it depends on effective testing.
Hospitalisation figures can be noisy because shit totally unrelated to Covid-19 can still cause hospitalisations.
Paying attention to day-by-day figures is a fool's errand.
Death data is noisy because it requires family sign off to be released.
Confirmed case data is noisy because it depends on effective testing.
Hospitalisation figures can be noisy because shit totally unrelated to Covid-19 can still cause hospitalisations.
Paying attention to day-by-day figures is a fool's errand.
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Just because I think we do need a bit of positivity - thought I'd share this, although it's likely been posted as it's almost a week old:
metro.co.uk
There are decent employers out there.
Tesco sends staff over 70 home on full pay amid Coronavirus pandemic
It includes the elderly as well as pregnant and vulnerable staff.
metro.co.uk
There are decent employers out there.
Many of them are already technically being paid by the government. 80% of their wage whilst they cannot do their day job. So for those without childcare responsibilities, rather than sit on their arses waiting for the hospitality and leisure shutdown to end, surely it's a good thing that so many are coming forward to volunteer to help during this crisis.
And by the way, we're talking about all our money here. When the government spends money, it's tax payers money they're spending. The country is going to be in enough debt as it is after this crisis ends, I don't want those debts to pile up even higher by paying 250,000+ people to do something that they are willing to volunteer to do, never mind the admin costs involved in paying that many people too. This is a once in a lifetime crisis, something many of us never thought we'd see in our lifetime, and something the entire world is struggling to come to terms with. We all need to be realistic here.
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Today's numbers are good, but it needs to be repeated for a few more days before it becomes a trend.
What's better news is that over the last week or so, the exponential growth rate of new cases has dropped more-or-less everywhere (except America, but that's probably because New York only just started mass testing). We aren't out of the woods yet, but things are improving. The question is whether they improve fast enough for active critical case numbers to plateau before the health services get overrun.
Also, I think the volunteering is good. These people aren't a cheap scam to replace NHS staff. I just hope they can be well-coordinated with the real healthcare workers.
The government deserves a lot of hate for underfunding the NHS and for allowing Brexit to fuck our recruitment and make good staff leave - but that's a separate issue from volunteers in a national emergency.
What's better news is that over the last week or so, the exponential growth rate of new cases has dropped more-or-less everywhere (except America, but that's probably because New York only just started mass testing). We aren't out of the woods yet, but things are improving. The question is whether they improve fast enough for active critical case numbers to plateau before the health services get overrun.
Also, I think the volunteering is good. These people aren't a cheap scam to replace NHS staff. I just hope they can be well-coordinated with the real healthcare workers.
The government deserves a lot of hate for underfunding the NHS and for allowing Brexit to fuck our recruitment and make good staff leave - but that's a separate issue from volunteers in a national emergency.
I will probably volunteer in my spare time when I have recovered and am not contagious, I am working 9-5 from home, but I would really like it if the government paid NHS staff extra for the time I donate. They should add up all the volunteer hours, work out that at minimum wage rate, and split it among NHS workers as a bonus.
The problem is it's an antibody test. Antibodies are not instantly created upon infection, it can take a couple of weeks in certain circumstances so it's possible clear people are still infected. The reinfection rate isn't known but like certain Corona strains of the common cold it's possible, however improbable that the antibody effectiveness is short lived and reinfection can occur quickly. Until we know these things for sure this test only serves to gain data on numbers, it's dangerous if used to get people back to work.
They should be paid due to the fact there is the possibility they could be infected. Yes, people do volunteer all the time to help the vulnerable, but this time it involves a killer virus doing the rounds. The least they can get is danger money.
they are going to have to figure that bit out because it isn't going away for a while imo
They do not all go up at midnight tho. Check back periodically from 7am
Some more good news:
Coronavirus: Government orders 10,000 ventilators from Dyson
The engineering firm developed a new type of ventilator in response to calls on behalf of the NHS.
www.bbc.co.uk