We'd likely need volunteers regardless of what's gone on before - having 1.5 million people suddenly reliant on other people for 3 months isn't something you can easily plan for...
In an ideal world they should be paid. But having half a million people volunteer to do it is also a fantastic gesture and something that is rightly being applauded/celebrated - that's pretty ideal too.
And don't forget that it's not just the logistical side of it, but also the phonecalls/ensuring people don't feel too isolated.
Seems like creating an atmosphere of fear and hatred for foreign hospital staff wasn't wise. The amount of EU nurses and doctors lost because of brexit is criminal.
28 deaths in England (population 56million) and 13 in the rest of the UK (population 12million)? Reckon that's an outlier rather than anything else.The drop off in deaths is really encouraging and hugely surprising when you look at what has been going on in Spain and Italy. Hopefully it isn't a blip.
+1,452 positive cases today according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ in the UK.
Seems to be the case. Sky News are saying that NHS England have confirmed 28 deaths, plus deaths confirmed in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and it tallies up with the overall amount for the UK.
I'm pretty sure the tracker was at 422 yesterday tho, same as today?Seems to be the case. Sky News are saying that NHS England have confirmed 28 deaths, plus deaths confirmed in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and it tallies up with the overall amount for the UK.
It's 465 today, so 43 deaths for the UK seems to be confirmed for today,I'm pretty sure the tracker was at 422 yesterday tho, same as today?
Are UK actually doing alright at this? If those numbers are correct thats a big drop on yesterday when you would expect a rise.
This and the testing news earlier is a bit of good news in a shite time.
Are UK actually doing alright at this? If those numbers are correct thats a big drop on yesterday when you would expect a rise.
This and the testing news earlier is a bit of good news in a shite time.
Whitty says these tests need to be evaluated. Whether they get rolled out will depend on that, he says.
Vallance says these tests could help stop the transmission of the virus.
Whitty says in the long run the antibody test will be very important. But in the short term the antigen test is more important, he says.
Seems to be the case. Sky News are saying that NHS England have confirmed 28 deaths, plus deaths confirmed in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and it tallies up with the overall amount for the UK.
I'm going off the Sky News breaking banner, so they could be wrong. It's Sky News after all.Have the figures been published by NHS England? I follow the Department of Health on Twitter and they've released the figures so far for every day prior to today.
I'm going off the Sky News breaking banner, so they could be wrong. It's Sky News after all.
The drop off in deaths is really encouraging and hugely surprising when you look at what has been going on in Spain and Italy. Hopefully it isn't a blip.
My mum was told of a story of a friend of a friend who claims to have been fined £30 for being outside 3 times and the police knew by tracking her movements via her phone. That has to be BS surely?
Having spent a fair bit of my child hood in Spain one massive difference between both the UK and Spain was always how socially active the elderly population was of an evening. Dressing up in their best clothes to meet friends, gather at bars and restaurants or even for strolls around the town and this went on most night of the week. We don't really have that in the UK as much so I'm wondering is Italy the same as Spain when it comes to night time socialising?
Similar, yes, though I'd say a fair number of oldies in the UK end up in pubs or playing bridge of an evening.
You really think that if they hadn't made any cuts there would be 250'000 nurses available to go about delivering food for vulnerable people in the community?
My mum was told of a story of a friend of a friend who claims to have been fined £30 for being outside 3 times and the police knew by tracking her movements via her phone. That has to be BS surely?
Exactly, nurses don't deliver food, that's why they're asking for volunteers.Why do nurses have to go delivering food. There's a lot more to NHS staff than frontline, you know. But speaking as one of many ex-NHS frontline staff whose entire ward was sold off by the tories, yes asking people to volunteer is taking the piss.
You really think that if they hadn't made any cuts there would be 250'000 nurses available to go about delivering food for vulnerable people in the community?
Exactly, nurses don't deliver food, that's why they're asking for volunteers.
Didn't Italy have the same where a few days before it really got bad there was one or two days where relatively few people died?
Not to piss on peoples chips but i don't think it's really indicative of anything, hope i'm wrong obviously.
From looking at the FT graph (https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest), that might indeed have been the case. The only way to tell is to see where things go tomorrow, and in the days after.
The fact that they aren't volunteering to be nurses is the point I'm making.They aren't volunteering to be nurses, and yes they should be paid. At the end of the day it's the Tories being the scum that they are.
I'm not ignoring anything - I'm saying it is an irrelevant point which has nothing to do with the fantastic story that almost half a million people have come out to help our most vulnerable.Again you're ignoring that the NHS staff hemorrhaging has been more than just nurses.
This is so important. I'm convinced that there will be studies showing in a few months that death counts correlate not only with factors like hospital capacity and quality of the healthcare system but also with factors like different information degrees in the public.
The fact that they aren't volunteering to be nurses is the point I'm making.
And why exactly do they need to be paid? People volunteer to help the vulnerable all the time through charity work etc.
People want to help, why not let them and put the money into use elsewhere?
I'm not ignoring anything - I'm saying it is an irrelevant point which has nothing to do with the fantastic story that almost half a million people have come out to help our most vulnerable.
I should add, I didn't call you out because you were shitting on the Tories - I don't give a shit about that, I have no love for them at all.
I called you out because you took one of the few positive stories we've had come out of this crisis and you twisted it into another negative. Constant, toxic negativity is not what the world needs right now.
Many of them are already technically being paid by the government. 80% of their wage whilst they cannot do their day job. So for those without childcare responsibilities, rather than sit on their arses waiting for the hospitality and leisure shutdown to end, surely it's a good thing that so many are coming forward to volunteer to help during this crisis.They aren't volunteering to be nurses, and yes they should be paid. At the end of the day it's the Tories being the scum that they are.
I will probably volunteer in my spare time when I have recovered and am not contagious, I am working 9-5 from home, but I would really like it if the government paid NHS staff extra for the time I donate. They should add up all the volunteer hours, work out that at minimum wage rate, and split it among NHS workers as a bonus.yo, old scottish socialist here. i hate a Tory more than anyone, but I am not going to let that stop me trying to help vulnerable people right now just for political purity. fuck that nonsense, leave it for later.
Everyone is on it when it comes to getting grocery delivery slots. I was all ready at midnight to get a slot for Wednesday 15th April, on the slots page, all I had to do was refresh.... and NOTHING. All gone within seconds.
The problem is it's an antibody test. Antibodies are not instantly created upon infection, it can take a couple of weeks in certain circumstances so it's possible clear people are still infected. The reinfection rate isn't known but like certain Corona strains of the common cold it's possible, however improbable that the antibody effectiveness is short lived and reinfection can occur quickly. Until we know these things for sure this test only serves to gain data on numbers, it's dangerous if used to get people back to work.its not supposed to track anyone, that time is long gone
it will be very useful in these ways
1) finding out the proportion of the population who have had this and were symptom free
2) allowing these people to get to work
the second is essential for nhs staff and key workers, as they will probably get it but cannot permanently stay in lockdown
you have had a jump in logic to suggest the government want to lift the lockdown
And why exactly do they need to be paid? People volunteer to help the vulnerable all the time through charity work etc.
We are fucked as a country unless we get back out there soon, stories of people in the queue for benefits at 100,000 on the phone
They do not all go up at midnight tho. Check back periodically from 7amEveryone is on it when it comes to getting grocery delivery slots. I was all ready at midnight to get a slot for Wednesday 15th April, on the slots page, all I had to do was refresh.... and NOTHING. All gone within seconds.
The government has ordered 10,000 ventilators from Dyson to help deal with the coronavirus crisis.
The firm, headed by British inventor Sir James Dyson, said it had designed a new type of ventilator in response to a call on behalf of the NHS.
The order is still subject to the devices passing stringent medical tests but that is expected to happen quickly.
Dyson has had hundreds of engineers working round the clock to design the ventilators from scratch.