Which is nonsense, because most workplaces can't open and even the ones who do open will probably be shut again in a month or so when the death numbers reach the high hundreds again.
Interesting. Can't see other secondaries following that as of yet, but you never know. Worth keeping in mind that the NEU has recommended not to engage with requests to work after June 1 as of yet, as the government has not addressed concerns about PPE/Social distancing effectively enough.
Thanks very much, having people who have been through similar situation and lay it out lifts a wee bit of the weight. The Coronavirus situation just automaticly defaults my brain to imagining worse case scenario. I guess from this side of the timeline it feels like we wont have the hang of things within 3-4 weeks but in reality it's something we'll be forced to learn super quick. All kind of overwhelming, i thought i had mentally prepared for it haha. Thanks so much!
Thanks very much :)
If they're going to reduce the furlough scheme to 60%, then it certainly shouldn't apply to those employed in the hospitality industry - or other sectors which legally can't open at present.
But people might get addicted to being able to afford things like rent and food during a crisis.
Matt Hancock has admitted it is "likely" people won't be able to go on foreign holidays this summer despite the tentative steps out of lockdown.
Asked whether "summer was cancelled", he told ITV's This Morning: "I think that's likely to be the case.
"We haven't made a final decision on that yet but it is clear that we will seek to reopen hospitality, some hospitality, from early July if we keep successfully reducing the spread of this virus. But social distancing of some kind is going to continue.
"The conclusion from that is it is unlikely that big, lavish international holidays are going to possible for this summer. I just think that's a reality of life."
Asked whether "summer was cancelled", he told ITV's This Morning: "I think that's likely to be the case.
"We haven't made a final decision on that yet but it is clear that we will seek to reopen hospitality, some hospitality, from early July if we keep successfully reducing the spread of this virus. But social distancing of some kind is going to continue.
"The conclusion from that is it is unlikely that big, lavish international holidays are going to possible for this summer. I just think that's a reality of life."
As a bit of light relief, you might not actually mind having these first few weeks / months without "help" from grandparents, since that help isn't always terribly helpful!
We raised both of ours with very little help - my mum lives a fair distance away, and my wife's parents aren't very hands-on with kids - and on the rare occasions we left the kids with a grandparent, or one of them came round, we quickly realised that a lot of their advice was either way out of date, or took the form of pure nitpicking - which isn't what you want when you've been running on an hour's sleep a night for six months.
Wild that literally anyone thought they'd be going on holiday this year during a global pandemic :|
Physical distancing may be impossible on bus or train, DfT admits
UK government issues advice to returning workers who cannot avoid using public transport
www.theguardian.com
Don't worry people, as long as you don't face others, you'll be fine!
It's a one-two punch that really sends the message "Your government wants you to die" and I have no idea how they thought it'd fly.
Anyone who thought they were going to be travelling internationally in 2020 has been deluding themselves for months now. I do think there's a (cautious) opportunity for a new era of domestic tourism, which is probably what Hancock means when he talks about hospitality reopening, in late summer / autumn. Assuming we haven't had to revert to quarantining cities / regions again by then.
That's going to be the biggest problem, what business wants to go through all the paperwork of bringing staff back, having to pay a lot of money to make sure their workplace is "Covid secure" only to then be forced to close again in a months time?
I imagine the only way the 60% thing works is for business who do want to start opening up again and are allowed to, everyone in sectors that make that an unrealistic prospect for a while remain on the 80% scheme. It probably won't make a dent in lowering costs to the government though because most companies will just carry on with the furlough scheme knowing business is still going to be quiet for a while (there are plenty of functioning profitable businesses out there who could have easily kept staff on but decided they'd just save money short term, why would this make them change their mind?).
I don't think it's a coincidence that the only place we're really hearing about this at the moment is via This Morning.
The fact that people even have to be told they won't be going to Marbella this July just shows the stunning ignorance that's widespread. And Hancock shouldn't give such a wishy washy answer either.
Is this the biggest "no shit Sherlock" moment of the week? Most public transport in busy areas is packed at peak times anyway, with social distancing in place nobody would get anywhere on time ever (because they don't usually, public transport is atrocious in this country.Physical distancing may be impossible on bus or train, DfT admits
UK government issues advice to returning workers who cannot avoid using public transport
Don't worry people, as long as you don't face others, you'll be fine!
Congratulations. My wife and I had our first just four weeks ago. I recognise how you’re feeling right now but even a month in we are in a good rhythm and feel like old hands at this. You will be grand.
This is a week full of "no shit Sherlock" moments. Might be the biggest one in the UK, but the leaked news that Obama considers Trump's handling of Coronavirus to be a chaotic disaster may well win worldwide.
First of all congratulations.
Secondly you'll be fine mate, my wife and I welcomed our baby into the world two weeks ago and it gets easier once you settle into a routine. I'm back at work (at home) after the next Bank Holiday and my wife will have to do most of it herself but it'd be like that lockdown or no lockdown.
I cannot get my head around it. Reducing it puts the country in a far worse position.
what the fuck are they doing
That's why a (possibly very naive/hopeful) side of me thinks that they'll deviate from what's been reported.
I could deal with the journey if I felt safe.
Thinking further down the line, I'm hesitant to get back into it because of the cost of trains etc.
I'm wondering about UK holidays. We have two booked at the moment - one in England and one in Wales - and would be interested in knowing what the outlook for those is. I'm suspecting the Wales one may be off and the England one potentially on.
Just got back from Tesco's click and collect, and it was absolute mayhem. Not enough staff for a start. The way it has been working is you stay in your car, the staff bring your groceries and stick them in your boot. Done. Today, they were overwhelmed, so I sat for 40 minutes watching everyone get out of their car and use a touchscreen. Then when the groceries got brought out, every single fucking customer would go and stand talking to the guys loading the shopping into the boot. People were waiting for so long that they would then get out of their car to complain, meaning that those staying in the car were getting left sat there. None of the staff had masks or gloves. They were loading shopping into cars parked in the normal spaces, while those in the loading bay were just sat there like numpties.
Chaos.
Chaos.
Thank you. It has been hard not having visitors (grandparents live too far to drive and look through window) but on the plus side we’ve had more time together with our daughter.
Not quite as bad as people expecting to go abroad on holiday, but my in-laws side of the family are still expecting that we're all going for a break at Butlins at the end of the summer. I can't think of a better covid breeding ground.... I hope to god the place isn't allowed to open, so it doesn't cause a family war of words.
Their logic is "our rich pals are losing money, we need the plebs to get back to making money for them. If we just tell them to go back they might not because you know, they might die, so lets force them."
Ryanair won’t do SD on planes as needs to sell all seats, will do Temp checks and fCe masks (he is our Elon Musk)
Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary has described quarantine rules as "idiotic" as he announced plans to restart flights from July.
The budget airline boss told BBC Breakfast the firm would look to sell all of the seats on its flights, but would put in place temperature checks and face masks for passengers and crews.
He said: "The business only functions if we can sell most of the seats on most of the flights.
"We accept in July and August the load factors will be lower than that, but we don't need social distancing. In fact the government has already recommended where social distancing isn't possible, wear face masks - that is the effective measure against the spread of Covid-19, not ineffective measures like a 14-day quarantine which no one will observe anyway."
The government is introducing the 14-day quarantine as Covid-19 has a one to 14-day incubation period, during which it can be transmitted even without symptoms.
Mr O'Leary disputed that the quarantine was science-based, due to French and Irish travellers being exempt.
Ryanair has announced today that it plans to restart 40% of its flights, almost 1,000 a day, from 1 July, subject to restrictions being lifted in the EU.
Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary has described quarantine rules as "idiotic" as he announced plans to restart flights from July.
The budget airline boss told BBC Breakfast the firm would look to sell all of the seats on its flights, but would put in place temperature checks and face masks for passengers and crews.
He said: "The business only functions if we can sell most of the seats on most of the flights.
"We accept in July and August the load factors will be lower than that, but we don't need social distancing. In fact the government has already recommended where social distancing isn't possible, wear face masks - that is the effective measure against the spread of Covid-19, not ineffective measures like a 14-day quarantine which no one will observe anyway."
The government is introducing the 14-day quarantine as Covid-19 has a one to 14-day incubation period, during which it can be transmitted even without symptoms.
Mr O'Leary disputed that the quarantine was science-based, due to French and Irish travellers being exempt.
Ryanair has announced today that it plans to restart 40% of its flights, almost 1,000 a day, from 1 July, subject to restrictions being lifted in the EU.
Oh god don't even ,when I visited new York first thing they said when I said where I was from was monkey hanger
I expected mass redundancy announcements in the coming weeks from the aviation, hospitality & service sectors
I don't think I would have ever read a sentence comparing O'Leary to Elon Musk, but there you go.
And given the lack of space between Ryanair seats so they can cram as many people in for as cheap as possible? One person with corona is gonna infect a whole plane. They shouldn't be allowed to do this, but god forbid our government actually enforces anything.
Most won’t be able to survive.
What this reduction would be is one of the oldest plays out of the Conservative playbook: starve the poor, so they comply and go back to work.
Northern Ireland Executive roadmap, but no dates for any of it.
Naturally, the likelihood will be that this will take effect from July(the current furlough is already in place until the end of June) and be in line with the very optimistic idea that these places will be opening in July, in line with Step 3 of the current plan. If it doesn't you would imagine that the current 80% will stick because they simply cannot drop it to 60% otherwise it would not prevent mass unemployment, which is the whole point of the furlough scheme.
Hopefully they'll react like that. At our current pace with the current mixed messaging, end of June/start of July is probably when we'll be hitting another significant increase in infections.
Jesus christ. Find them and lock them up for years.
Station ticket office worker dies with Covid-19 after being spat at | ITV News
Belly Mujinga was at Victoria station in March when a member of the public who said he had Covid-19 spat and coughed at her and a colleague.www.itv.com
Fucking tragic. I hope they catch the fucker who spat at her.
True. The stark reality is that the culture sector as a whole is fucked: every week that passes the more decisions about their future plans will be impacted (and will invariably have to be made). I suppose the drop down to 60% might be enough to make galleries plan to open part-time (and so keep their front-of-house staff on), rather than plan not to open at all (and so fire all their permanent staff and fulfil none of their casual contracts).
In any case, it'll be interesting to see what happens later on today.
It won't happen, but honestly given we're most likely about to head into one of the most catastrophic recessions in history they should probably just keep the 80% furlough scheme indefinitely. And then use it as a basis for a Universal Income system, along with strict regulations on landlords to make that work.
We can but dream! It was nice to hear Nicola Sturgeon mentioning UBI recently, and this pandemic really does highlight the real need to have it. Especially since I envisage a strong push towards automation from this, as robots don't need to stop work because of a virus that only affects humans...
I agree with you fully - i think the plans laid out with dates are unrealistic, the government knows it and they have just been said to stop the whole 'why aren't you telling us future plans' line of questioning.
Definitely. I miss live music incredibly but i don't see any safe return until a vaccine and i hope that they will still be supported somehow.
We had one in Cornwall booked for the beginning of July to coincide with the start of the Scottish school holidays. Looking at the current plans for easing of restrictions, the current figures for infections and deaths, the possibility of a second spike off the back of the cock-up made this weekend and weighing up the likelihood of us being able to travel ~700 miles across the UK in 6 weeks (vanishingly small) and whether sites like the Eden Project etc. would be open by then (also vanishingly small), we decided to pull the plug on it and re-book for the same time in 2021.
I would expect domestic travel to be back on in some form by August/September, but I'd be surprised if travelling hundreds of miles was widely acceptable anytime in 2020, and I'd also expect the devolved nations to be more hesitant on accepting any kind of tourism this year.
Flew twice with them last year to Budapest and Lisbon. No issues.
Won't be flying with them going forward though.
My housemate works at a cocktail bar and while they're closed he's taken on some work dealing with email enquiries. Apparently most of the ones from customers are people asking when they'll be open again. Like they don't seem to grasp how much this is going to change things or for how long.