Especially as it seems most of them don't have good enough eyesight to read the small print.Tory MPs that keep telling people that they should have read the small print are a new source of evil.
The next election is less than four years away.5 years till another election so I don't think public opinion and polls really bother the Government much, they can do whatever they like and there will be no repercussions.
There's some postponed elections next year, and they shouldn't be burning through good will before the new year and some possibly tough times of a different variety. The government is safe for years but Boris still has to keep his side happy and feel like he's in control.5 years till another election so I don't think public opinion and polls really bother the Government much, they can do whatever they like and there will be no repercussions.
They'll worry about voter intention nothing else really. If Labour starts catching up or surpassing it means Boris will be ditched long before next election unless something radical happens.5 years till another election so I don't think public opinion and polls really bother the Government much, they can do whatever they like and there will be no repercussions.
I will see you next year as we scrabble for turnips post no deal and super-mutated corona virus Mk3.Once this is all over, I'll miss how familiar you guys have become :P
I'm sure the UK Politics thread will be revived after this goes away. This thread is mostly the same people and it has replaced it to some degree (kinda like the Brexit thread did last year) because it's the biggest political issue around atm.Once this is all over, I'll miss how familiar you guys have become :P
Daisy Mae will do well at leastI will see you next year as we scrabble for turnips post no deal and super-mutated corona virus Mk3.
The Turnip soup kitchens at the workhouse will hopefully have free wi-fi
| Gove bashing the Bishop, BJ and Cummings all over
Perfection
Yep, the Brexit threads were huge, understandably so. UK PoliEra is still around, and BritERA could probably do with a reboot.I'm sure the UK Politics thread will be revived after this goes away. This thread is mostly the same people and it has replaced it to some degree (kinda like the Brexit thread did last year) because it's the biggest political issue around atm.
And yes, before a certain Tory/Brexiteer complains about it again, Coronavirus is also a political issue as well as a health one.
Well if the porn actresses turnips on the side I guess that works as wellI'm going to assume that's Animal crossing related and not the porn actress, google brought up a few options.
Yeah I live in a tourist town in Cornwall (Porthleven) and its starting to get a bit unimaginable at certain points. Its defeintley picked up since lockdown was eased (Actualy a few days before when it was clear measures were going to be announced). I think a majority of the time people can distance, but it always reaches a point in the afternoon where it becomes silly and impossible. We opened up another till in the supermarket where I work to try and ease congestion (as well as one in one out) and even then it was difficult. Its feels like rush hour all the time at the moment.
Doesn't help really most people have given up on social distancing. Groups of kids everywhere. People casually chatting together in groups outside. I'm kind of inclined just to say bollocks to it all and get on with it. Its kind of reached that point. Feel sorry for the doctors and nurses who are no doubt dreading a second wave.
Yeah I didn't mean it was dead entirely it's just uh, less active with this thread going.Yep, the Brexit threads were huge, understandably so. UK PoliEra is still around, and BritERA could probably do with a reboot.
All the poeple not indoctrinated and smart enough to see other countries handling of this, already keep asking why aren't we as good as New Zealand, South Korea etc. Everyone else is deluding themselves in cold comfort that we aren't as bad as America.Meanwhile...
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Coronavirus: No new deaths in Republic of Ireland
Ireland's chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan said the Republic has "suppressed Covid-19 as a country".www.bbc.co.uk
I wonder if there'll be a point when certain people look at how other countries have handled this, and think...that could have been us.
British exceptionalism trumps all. Britannia Rules The Waves.I knew Ireland had handled the whole thing better than us but they've just had a day with no registered deaths.. And they're still being more cautious than us about reopening everything
Britannia waves the rules
Touché (but no touching)
I have to say that as someone who has posted on era and gaf I've never felt more part of a community on either forum than when it comes to UK politics.Once this is all over, I'll miss how familiar you guys have become :P
The lyrics to our national anthem are so bad. Who uses the word “never” three times in a sentence?
The DUP?The lyrics to our national anthem are so bad. Who uses the word “never” three times in a sentence?
The government is run by the same donor class as those who fund the GOP. Cummings was their chosen man, Johnson the vessel. We are literally being run by a bunch of white supremacist libertarians. People have not grasped this yet. The UK is a shambles, we have fallen far. Yet this is not the end. It will get much much much worse before it get's better. The systemic collapse and breakdown of the US political system is a guide to where we are headed in this country. First past the post makes such a thing possible in both countries.I knew Ireland had handled the whole thing better than us but they've just had a day with no registered deaths.. And they're still being more cautious than us about reopening everything
Britannia rules the second, perhaps third wave
I don't think you can compare the UK and US electoral systems so directly (however broken FPTP may be), on account of the electoral college in America. While in 2019 the Conservatives did not win a majority of votes, they did win more votes than each other party; in 2016 in America, by contrast, the Republicans actually lost the popular vote.The government is run by the same donor class as those who fund the GOP. Cummings was their chosen man, Johnson the vessel. We are literally being run by a bunch of white supremacist libertarians. People have not grasped this yet. The UK is a shambles, we have fallen far. Yet this is not the end. It will get much much much worse before it get's better. The systemic collapse and breakdown of the US political system is a guide to where we are headed in this country. First past the post makes such a thing possible in both countries.
The last 2 Tory absolute majorities were obtaines with less than 50% of the vote.I don't think you can compare the UK and US electoral systems so directly (however broken FPTP may be), on account of the electoral college in America. While in 2019 the Conservatives did not win a majority of votes, they did win more votes than each other party; in 2016 in America, by contrast, the Republicans actually lost the popular vote.
I'm not denying that the Tories didn't win a majority of votes overall, but they won more votes than each other party. They were the largest party. That this translates into a disproportionate count of seats is different from being voted in while not being the most popular party.The last 2 Tory majorities were obtaines with less than 50% of the vote. The tories have an 80 seat majority with 42% of the vote. Their 42% of the vote was 365 seats while the Labor 40% was only 202. A difference of 163 seats for 2%.
Yeah, the winning party getting fewer votes and more seats doesn't happen often, i think 51 was the worst example if i remember correctly.I'm not denying that the Tories didn't win a majority of votes overall, but they won more votes than each other party. They were the largest party. That this translates into a disproportionate count of seats is different from being voted in while not being the most popular party.
I agree that the system is broken, but I think the US and UK systems are broken in quite significantly different ways.
I mean, the problem is that FPTP can lead you to wins even when having less votes because of differentials in small areas. In the previous election against May, 2% accounted for 40 seats difference.I'm not denying that the Tories didn't win a majority of votes overall, but they won more votes than each other party. They were the largest party. That this translates into a disproportionate count of seats is different from being voted in while not being the most popular party.
I agree that the system is broken, but I think the US and UK systems are broken in quite significantly different ways.
The lockdown is based on whatever interpretation of the rules is the right one for you! Official government advice is to do whatever the fuck you wantSo the new normal is the exact same as the old normal? Seems so after my visit to the shops.
This is being picked up in a few places now.![]()
Dominic Cummings 'added' coronavirus warning to year-old blog post in April
DOMINIC Cummings has been caught adding references to coronavirus to a year-old blog post on pandemics – after boasting in yesterday’s press…www.thenational.scot
He's such a pathetic loser you wonder why they try so hard to keep him around.
Ah, I hadn't known that had ever happened!Yeah, the winning party getting fewer votes and more seats doesn't happen often, i think 51 was the worst example if i remember correctly.
I'm still not convinced by the use of comparing our system to America's, except for general issues surrounding rural/urban divides.I mean, the problem is that FPTP can lead you to wins even when having less votes because of differentials in small areas. In the previous election against May, 2% accounted for 40 seats difference.
The same "well, the party that won disproportionally at least won the vote!" could have been said about the US electoral system before Bush or Trump (as the winner of the electoral system tends to be the one who gets more votes).
But if you want to have a better example, the US house (which is a similar system as the UK parliament although more problematic due to politicians being able to control part of the seat distribution) often has the Dems needing to win 52%+ of the general vote to carry it due to gerrymandering / problems in the differentials. Which is a similar case in the UK.
First past the post is the primary reason why right-wing parties pushing ethnonationalist policies are able to coral a plurality from a minority position. The majority of people did not vote conservative yet we have a hard right government with absolute power. It is a manifestly absurd situation. It is the primary reason why the US is ultimately fucked because of the Senate (Wyoming = CA) and is the reason why this country has had so many years of Conservative rule. Generally speaking it is much harder for the far right to win in a PR system. Even if they win they will need coalitions.I don't think you can compare the UK and US electoral systems so directly (however broken FPTP may be), on account of the electoral college in America. While in 2019 the Conservatives did not win a majority of votes, they did win more votes than each other party; in 2016 in America, by contrast, the Republicans actually lost the popular vote.
I don't disagree that it is an absurd situation.First past the post is the primary reason why right-wing parties pushing ethnonationalist policies are able to coral a plurality from a minority position. The majority of people did not vote conservative yet we have a hard right government with absolute power. It is a manifestly absurd situation. It is the primary reason why the US is ultimately fucked because of the Senate (Wyoming = CA) and is the reason why this country has had so many years of Conservative rule. Generally speaking it is much harder for the far right to win in a PR system. Even if they win they will need coalitions.
No we are more fucked than the US. People really have not realised this yet.The US has demographics on it's side and can wrestle control of the executive branch and the House. The judicial system is fucked though. The UK doesn't have the right demographics, it is much more susceptible to falling under the thumb of ethnonationalist rule (Brexit says hi!). They are using the US playbook of culture wars.
I thought people found it just digging by accident, but Cummings actually told people to read his blog and then they found it.