Awesome. I kinda expected as much, it'd be pretty weird if they published it that early and went "It's probably accurate, nothing will change in two weeks."
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UK General Election 12th December 2019 |OT1| Hindsight is 20/19 (Tory majority confirmed)
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Well, if we're 'just talking bare facts', then it's kind of important to, um, use actual facts.
This year, eight MPs defected to the Lib Dems:
- Three who began the year as Labour MPs
- Five who began the year as Tory MPs
- Four of the eight came via ChangeUK
- And one Lib Dem MP resigned the whip in 2018 but asked for it back in October
That meant the Lib Dems went from 12 MPs to 20 MPs by the time Parliament was dissolved the most recent time.
EDIT: It's important that I point out I have a lot of reservations about the Lib Dems and Jo Swinson and will not be voting for them. There are plenty of reasons to criticise them, but to claim that Conservatives make up the majority of their MPs is plain untrue.
Indeed, they said themselves they'd be surprised if it didn't change before election day.
The sheer amount of people clearly voting Tory just to stick it to "the left" is terrifying. People who Boris and his ilk have outright expressed utter disdain for, people who have had hardships forced upon them via austerity.
I mean, this is nothing new. Ignorant hate has been the right's catalyst and foundation for as long as I can remember, but seeing it happen in real time across social media... seeing the righteous fury of their ignorance... it makes me feel utterly hopeless.
Still, going to help canvass and do what I can, but so many people are too far gone, and they have the numbers.
I mean, this is nothing new. Ignorant hate has been the right's catalyst and foundation for as long as I can remember, but seeing it happen in real time across social media... seeing the righteous fury of their ignorance... it makes me feel utterly hopeless.
Still, going to help canvass and do what I can, but so many people are too far gone, and they have the numbers.
Well yes, that is a consequence of the electoral system we have. Unfortunately we can't just ignore it and use one that is fairer
The fact they can do this and never face consequences... I can't begin to express what I'm feeling here.
Yikes
Bleh, my bad, I think I conflated the amount of tories that left the conservatives with those that joined the lib dems. I knew it was more Tory than Labour, but yeah, definitely got that one wrong.
Ok, so the Greens are basically Labours?
One thing is to work with what you have, another is try to make everything work with that rule
I've read people say the other Miilaband would have won because Ed came across as weak and try hard but then you could say Brown didn't get it any different although there is an awful similarity in them trying to be tough, likeable instead of normal. Media plays a huge part but their PR teams were complete shit. See Millaband now as down to earth, easy going and funny along with Brown being a voice of reason to most people.
It's just staggering how the Tories are almost untouchable when it's 50 times the gaffes, lies and mistakes. Media helps there, hate helps too.
It's just staggering how the Tories are almost untouchable when it's 50 times the gaffes, lies and mistakes. Media helps there, hate helps too.
That is silly, they are green conservatives as they are propping up Tories by stealing Labour votes.
Another great momentum video I especially love the Mogg laying down visual comparison which is pretty smart.
Trending very positively, just need a few more points from the lib dem ones and 2-3 points off of the Tories.
For all intents and purposes, yes. Green MPs are overwhelmingly likely to side with Labour in any coalition or specific issues than they are with the Tories. It wouldn't be stupid for a Tory supporter to not support the Green's precisely for this reason.
FPTP systems hand basically all power to the victor. If the Lib Dems are more likely to put the Tories in government then they calling them "Yellow Tories" is accurate
You will notice that none of the left wing posters here call the SNP "Yellow Tories". This isn't just about being against Labour and you are being deliberately obtuse by pretending it is
Well, we did have the option to, but in a shitty referendum where the result was swung by misinformation in the press we chose not to. Reminds me of something else, somehow...
Not going to lie, if I lived in a safe Labour/Lib Dems seat (e.g. if our local MP stood on a platform that I broadly supported) then I'd vote Green more often to express support for some of their ideas.
Unfortunately my voting is all about trying to reduce an increasing majority.
Unfortunately my voting is all about trying to reduce an increasing majority.
Seeing that Catherine Tate performance was wild. It really felt like she was about to say something horribly racist every time she opened her mouth.
The ah shit here we go again works too well here
Yikes
It's disconcerting how ingrained it is. I've said for the longest time that you can see the patterns of society at large in your average high school, and certainly, growing up in the Nineties, there was plenty of those attitudes around the proverbial playground :S
Well at least she's up front about her parties racism unlike some other parties....
Labour were a disgrace in that referendum. It was the reason why I originally left the party.
I can understand why some people feel that LibDems are just yellow tories, especially after the Coalition years. But I am genuinely scared that people in key marginals will think that and gift the Tory bastards free seats.
If you compare the manifestos, they are very very different. The Actual Conservatives want Brexit, the harder the better, which will no doubt fuck with the entire economy. The LibDems want to remain. The Actual Conservatives want lower tax for their buddies. The LibDems want to put 1p on all income tax bands, tax frequent flyers, etc, to pay for better NHS and according to the IFS have the best funded manifesto. The Actual Conservatives love Donald Trump. Jo Swinson hates him. The Actual Conservatives loathe the LGBTQIA community and BoJo is happy using slurs against them. The LibDems have a manifesto commitment to completely reform the Gender Recognition Act to recognise non-binary gender identities. It might not be as progressive as it should be, but it's NOT a Tory manifesto.
If you're in a seat where labour can win, vote labour! Corbyn all the way! But if you're in a seat like Guildford like me where the LibDems are just 5 points behind the Tories based on the MRP poll, then please please think about voting LibDem. The manifestos are completely different and you'll be doing your bit to deprive BoJo of another seat. Just hold your nose and think of the greater good!
Just gotta keep pushing, we still have time.
These big swings are very positive.
This Guardian podcast about the first women journalists and MPs is entirely uncritical of Nancy Astor, as was their article, and completely steps over the Sinn Fein MP elected before her
Boris and May also getting no blowback for unveiling a statue of an anti semite 🤔🤔🤔
Boris and May also getting no blowback for unveiling a statue of an anti semite 🤔🤔🤔
Whitewashing history? I have never heard of such a thing occurring...
The media will just both sides it. It will be Yvette Cooper's fault and Boris Johnson's fault equally. Somehow.
The Guardian is full of terfs so this doesn't surprise me. What's an acronym for nazi feminist. Like an actual one, not y'know the right wing chud phrase for feminists generally.
Manifestos mean nothing. Tories promise the earth then shit on the poor.
Being a Jamaican, Windrush effected people close to me. As it was the coalition that start it all and the Libs sat by and did nothing. I can not vote for the Libs until the people that are still in the party from then are gone.
To her credit, this slip is more honest about the nature of the Brexit party and Tories than they themselves are.
I can understand why you feel that way. I'd feel the same if our positions were reversed. Hope you can understand why I'm going to cast my vote for the LibDems locally (Guildford); it's my only chance to help deprive the Tory bastards of at least one seat.
Lib Dems will you save some fucking tree's and stop dumping your shite through my door. I've had about 8 leaflets now, not a single 1 from any other party.
Yooo i'm glad this isn't just in my area (unless you're also from Edinburgh lol.) I've been getting two leaflets through my door almost every weekday from the lib dems. Nothing from anyone else.
I've only had the one leaflet so far - and it's from the Lib Dem's.
Tories round here I can understand, as they're going to win regardless.
Disappointed to see nothing from the Labour candidate yet.
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