Awesome. I kinda expected as much, it'd be pretty weird if they published it that early and went "It's probably accurate, nothing will change in two weeks."
Awesome. I kinda expected as much, it'd be pretty weird if they published it that early and went "It's probably accurate, nothing will change in two weeks."
Well, if we're 'just talking bare facts', then it's kind of important to, um, use actual facts.I mean, if we're just talking bare facts, they did just accept about 30 Conservative MPs into their party, which means that literally the majority of their MPs are conservative.
Lol, what?
Some of you brits really take this two-party system very seriously
Indeed, they said themselves they'd be surprised if it didn't change before election day.Awesome. I kinda expected as much, it'd be pretty weird if they published it that early and went "It's probably accurate, nothing will change in two weeks."
Lol, what?
Some of you brits really take this two-party system very seriously
The fact they can do this and never face consequences... I can't begin to express what I'm feeling here.
Bleh, my bad, I think I conflated the amount of tories that left the conservatives with those that joined the lib dems. I knew it was more Tory than Labour, but yeah, definitely got that one wrong.Well, if we're 'just talking bare facts', then it's kind of important to, um, use actual facts.
This year, eight MPs defected to the Lib Dems:
- Three who began the year as Labour MPs
- Five who began the year as Tory MPs
- Four of the eight came via ChangeUK
- And one Lib Dem MP resigned the whip in 2018 but asked for it back in October
That meant the Lib Dems went from 12 MPs to 20 MPs by the time Parliament was dissolved the most recent time.
EDIT: It's important that I point out I have a lot of reservations about the Lib Dems and Jo Swinson and will not be voting for them. There are plenty of reasons to criticise them, but to claim that Conservatives make up the majority of their MPs is plain untrue.
Ok, so the Greens are basically Labours?Well yes, that is a consequence of the electoral system we have. Unfortunately we can't just ignore it and use one that is fairer
That is silly, they are green conservatives as they are propping up Tories by stealing Labour votes.Ok, so the Greens are basically Labours?
One thing is to work with what you have, another is try to make everything work with that rule
Tories are just labours that steal labours votesThat is silly, they are green conservatives as they are propping up Tories by stealing Labour votes.
Ok, so the Greens are basically Labours?
One thing is to work with what you have, another is try to make everything work with that rule
Well yes, that is a consequence of the electoral system we have. Unfortunately we can't just ignore it and use one that is fairer
The ah shit here we go again works too well here
It's disconcerting how ingrained it is. I've said for the longest time that you can see the patterns of society at large in your average high school, and certainly, growing up in the Nineties, there was plenty of those attitudes around the proverbial playground :SThe sheer amount of people clearly voting Tory just to stick it to "the left" is terrifying. People who Boris and his ilk have outright expressed utter disdain for, people who have had hardships forced upon them via austerity.
I mean, this is nothing new. Ignorant hate has been the right's catalyst and foundation for as long as I can remember, but seeing it happen in real time across social media... seeing the righteous fury of their ignorance... it makes me feel utterly hopeless.
Still, going to help canvass and do what I can, but so many people are too far gone, and they have the numbers.
I mean we've got the 2 manifestos to compare?Until Swinson proves otherwise, she resembles one a hell of a lot.
Well at least she's up front about her parties racism unlike some other parties....Holy shit that interview. She's constantly one word away from being even more racist than she already is.
Well, we did have the option to, but in a shitty referendum where the result was swung by misinformation in the press we chose not to. Reminds me of something else, somehow...
Until Swinson proves otherwise, she resembles [a tory] one a hell of a lot.
This Guardian podcast about the first women journalists and MPs is entirely uncritical of Nancy Astor, as was their article, and completely steps over the Sinn Fein MP elected before her
Boris and May also getting no blowback for unveiling a statue of an anti semite 🤔🤔🤔
Really admire the bravery of the dad coming forward to talk about how the tragedy is being exploited by politicians. He's probably gonna be bombarded with shit from some of the worst scum on the planet.
This Guardian podcast about the first women journalists and MPs is entirely uncritical of Nancy Astor, as was their article, and completely steps over the Sinn Fein MP elected before her
Boris and May also getting no blowback for unveiling a statue of an anti semite 🤔🤔🤔
Manifestos mean nothing. Tories promise the earth then shit on the poor.
Being a Jamaican, Windrush effected people close to me. As it was the coalition that start it all and the Libs sat by and did nothing. I can not vote for the Libs until the people that are still in the party from then are gone.I can understand why some people feel that LibDems are just yellow tories, especially after the Coalition years. But I am genuinely scared that people in key marginals will think that and gift the Tory bastards free seats.
If you compare the manifestos, they are very very different. The Actual Conservatives want Brexit, the harder the better, which will no doubt fuck with the entire economy. The LibDems want to remain. The Actual Conservatives want lower tax for their buddies. The LibDems want to put 1p on all income tax bands, tax frequent flyers, etc, to pay for better NHS and according to the IFS have the best funded manifesto. The Actual Conservatives love Donald Trump. Jo Swinson hates him. The Actual Conservatives loathe the LGBTQIA community and BoJo is happy using slurs against them. The LibDems have a manifesto commitment to completely reform the Gender Recognition Act to recognise non-binary gender identities. It might not be as progressive as it should be, but it's NOT a Tory manifesto.
If you're in a seat where labour can win, vote labour! Corbyn all the way! But if you're in a seat like Guildford like me where the LibDems are just 5 points behind the Tories based on the MRP poll, then please please think about voting LibDem. The manifestos are completely different and you'll be doing your bit to deprive BoJo of another seat. Just hold your nose and think of the greater good!
Holy shit that interview. She's constantly one word away from being even more racist than she already is.
Being a Jamaican, Windrush effected people close to me. As it was the coalition that start it all and the Libs sat by and did nothing. I can not vote for the Libs until the people that are still in the party from then are gone.
Yooo i'm glad this isn't just in my area (unless you're also from Edinburgh lol.) I've been getting two leaflets through my door almost every weekday from the lib dems. Nothing from anyone else.Lib Dems will you save some fucking tree's and stop dumping your shite through my door. I've had about 8 leaflets now, not a single 1 from any other party.
Yooo i'm glad this isn't just in my area (unless you're also from Edinburgh lol.) I've been getting two leaflets through my door almost every weekday from the lib dems. Nothing from anyone else.