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Tea and Toast

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Oct 26, 2017
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Girlfriend got this in the post which I thought was a bit naughty.
I actually thought it was one of those crappy local newsletters/mags you get posted every so often.
It's just a massive advert for the libdems.

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Ando

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Apr 21, 2018
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Is there something magic about the number 50,000? 30,000 sounds like a good number so why not just say that and you've got a slam dunk? I don't get it.

they like the idea that by correcting it constantly opponents are ultimately helping spread the core message that the tories are adding 30,000 nurses and investing in the NHS.

the bus with 350 million on it strategy. works less well if you already have a trust problem though.
 

Arkestry

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Oct 26, 2017
3,920
London
Huh, this is interesting:



So given this, I'm assuming that maybe most of the Lib Dem's gain comes from both Labour and Conservatives, although I don't really see where the extra percentage point might be from? Or did they take 3 from Conservative, and BXP gave Cons one back?

Either way, I imagine there's some votes for Labour to take from Lib Dems before this is over. Not sure that the conservatives can do similar.
 

DavidDesu

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Oct 29, 2017
5,718
Glasgow, Scotland

Yep just like in Scotland during indyref. If crowds like this were eagerly awaiting Boris anywhere it would be getting shown on the news. They don't dare show the positive attitude towards Corbyn from the general public because that would break the spell of him being a dangerous man. Same with indyref, there were countless events with big turnouts and they just never showed it, hence why many people still think independence is some niche belief only held by some small hardcore band of lunatics when it isn't.

The news is just as much about what isn't shown as what is. Boris hiding from people, not shown, huge crowds for Corbyn, not shown. Everything done in their power to minimise damage to Tories and maximise damage to Labour. If Labour get in with some sort of SNP coalition I hope they go to fucking town on the BBC.
 

Principate

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Oct 31, 2017
11,186
I'm genuinely flabberghasted by the Lib Dem's over the past month or so. It's like they're trying to implode.
I think the problem is at in regards to misleading voters the Lib Dems were always like this and have done so for decades. It's just that finally some scrutiny is being placed on it. Then there's their general hubris and poor positioning from the top that's their main source of problems leading to the current mess.
 

Koukalaka

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Oct 28, 2017
9,290
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Huh, this is interesting:



So given this, I'm assuming that maybe most of the Lib Dem's gain comes from both Labour and Conservatives, although I don't really see where the extra percentage point might be from? Or did they take 3 from Conservative, and BXP gave Cons one back?

Either way, I imagine there's some votes for Labour to take from Lib Dems before this is over. Not sure that the conservatives can do similar.


A couple of commentators seem to think where the Conservatives are now is something of a ceiling - and this aggregate of polls seems to agree with that.
 

Ando

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Apr 21, 2018
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wonder if our media is equipped to inform people of the government failures that led to this attack in an election period or will they just signal boost boris johnson's lies

note: i don't actually wonder i know they aren't and they will all act like most people thinking it's ultimately corbyn's fault isn't entirely a consequence of their own failings to inform the electorate
 

Arkestry

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Oct 26, 2017
3,920
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wonder if our media is equipped to inform people of the government failures that led to this attack in an election period or will they just signal boost boris johnson's lies

note: i don't actually wonder i know they aren't and they will all act like most people thinking it's ultimately corbyn's fault isn't entirely a consequence of their own failings to inform the electorate
Honestly, before the Marr interview this morning I'd have said I'd agree, but he went weirdly hard on the idea that prisons contributed to the man's state of mind as well as the conservatives being in power for so long puts the responsability squarely on their doorstep. If even Marr is going after then like that, I could see it getting some traction. Especially if there's a smoking gun that they ignored warnings as it seems to be.
 

empyrean2k

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Oct 27, 2017
790
Also how dense do you have to be to think Bojos 'lock them up for longer' solves the problem. Ok...so you've locked them up for longer...now they are out and still do the same thing. The key isn't the amount of time, the key is what happens in prison with regards to rehabilitation etc which tories completely ignore and instead go for this 'tough on crime' nonsense.
 

JonnyDBrit

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Oct 25, 2017
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Also I really hate how a lot of places are just saying 'automatically released' as if they were completely free to go, rather than they were supposed to be monitored long term by the police. It just makes people think there's no gradient between being locked up behind bars and being 'out on the street', encouraging them to sit firmly on people being behind bars for longer.
 

Puroresu_kid

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Oct 28, 2017
9,465
Also how dense do you have to be to think Bojos 'lock them up for longer' solves the problem. Ok...so you've locked them up for longer...now they are out and still do the same thing. The key isn't the amount of time, the key is what happens in prison with regards to rehabilitation etc which tories completely ignore and instead go for this 'tough on crime' nonsense.

Exactly. The idea that early release is the problem is ridiculous.
 

Acorn

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Oct 25, 2017
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Scotland
The funny part is that the twitter bots/fanatics were previously basing their Tory defense on this just being some random person who isn't credible, but apparently they're credible enough for the prime minister to twist their words to defend himself?
He's also been a newspaper columnist and written books on the justice system lol
 

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I'm surprised "faked communications" isn't more common. I can't tell you how many internet-drama type posts start with screenshots of texts, literally the easiest thing in the world to photoshop, and people just run wild with it.
 

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I'm surprised "faked communications" isn't more common. I can't tell you how many internet-drama type posts start with screenshots of texts, literally the easiest thing in the world to photoshop, and people just run wild with it.
gammons spent most of the weekend fighting off a heart attack over a fake Corbyn tweet. It's probably more common than you think it just doesn't escape those bubbles very often.
 

Temascos

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Oct 27, 2017
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There are Prison Imans not knowing about Prevent!? What the heck?!

I know it's not always possible to deradicalise everyone but what's the point of having a program like Prevent if the people who need it most aren't made aware of it's existence? It's been nearly 10 years since the Tories were in charge of the country, did this not raise any alarm bells?
 

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ITV debate on. It's either that or top gear...

Anyway, Jo Swinson only going after Johnson/Farage in her opening speech. Seems like a deliberate choice to focus on them now.
 

PJV3

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Oct 25, 2017
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ITV debate on. It's either that or top gear...

Anyway, Jo Swinson only going after Johnson/Farage in her opening speech. Seems like a deliberate choice to focus on them now.

She's going to end up making the same mistake as Clegg, distance away from Labour to gather up tory votes and then lose those as well when they suddenly think they will be voting for a Labour coalition.
 

Kalor

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Oct 25, 2017
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50624086

Facebook has deleted a Conservative election ad that used BBC News footage because it infringed the corporation's intellectual property (IP) rights.

The BBC said the material had been used out of context in a way that "could damage perceptions of our impartiality".

On Thursday, the Tories rejected a request from the BBC's lawyers to remove the 15-second video.

The BBC also complained to Facebook, which has now deleted the ad.
 
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