Marxist manifesto, nah it still had capitalism you fucking idiots.
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UK General Election 12th December 2019 |OT1| Hindsight is 20/19 (Tory majority confirmed)
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That's the thing though, they aren't settling for them. In a lot of cases they're settling for welfare which delivers just as much money or thereabouts.
It’s going to take a long time to recover unless the economy implodes.
They'd only be able to name whatever gets air time or spouted by the papers.
idk, they can certainly remember and spout off soundbites pretty well.
Yeah I never understood the Tuition fee argument, I don’t think allot of people pay attention into how it’s paid back.
The last 9 years have been catastrophic for the country. I can't imagine how bad the next 5 will be when we aren't part of the EU and are striking horrific deals with the US.
I just want to say a few words about this whole thing:
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Thanks.
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Thanks.
Not sure I could name five policies in the Tory manifesto but that may be because there aren’t five policies in the Tory manifesto.
In general people are extremely ignorant of the facts. Most couldn’t name five for sure.
Not as big a defeat as expected, but this is fucking awful. We've had years of a Tory Government that has lied, cheated and done some of the most disgusting shit in recent political history. Windrush, Austerity, Attempting to dismantle parts of our democracy. Yet people still wants this fucks running the government.
I've given up. This one. This is the one that breaks me. What is even the point in trying to save this country when most of it has decided to jump off s cliff. I'm not even angry anymore, I'm just so disappointed. What more do the Tories need to do, to fuck the country and its people before they realise how fucking idiotic we're being done. I need to leave, I need to find a job in Canada and get out.
Corbyn is the best candidate this party has ever had. None of this centrism bullocks under Blair. An actual Lefty with actual policies that could help so many. Is the only way to win to really compromise on our ideals? Ugh.
I've given up. This one. This is the one that breaks me. What is even the point in trying to save this country when most of it has decided to jump off s cliff. I'm not even angry anymore, I'm just so disappointed. What more do the Tories need to do, to fuck the country and its people before they realise how fucking idiotic we're being done. I need to leave, I need to find a job in Canada and get out.
Corbyn is the best candidate this party has ever had. None of this centrism bullocks under Blair. An actual Lefty with actual policies that could help so many. Is the only way to win to really compromise on our ideals? Ugh.
When I went to bed it looked my constituency had flipped from Tory to SNP, but apparently the Tories just barely held onto it.
This whole situation is so fucked, Boris talks about keeping the NHS, but let’s be honest that‘s just a pretenwe, it won’t be long until the mask drops.
This whole situation is so fucked, Boris talks about keeping the NHS, but let’s be honest that‘s just a pretenwe, it won’t be long until the mask drops.
It’s irrelevant. It shows that some people’s vote is worth more than others. I do think the commons needs to be kept as-is because it’s right that we can elect people to represent our constituencies. FPTP vs PR has nothing to do with it (but is worth a seperate conversation). We need a second body that represents the nation as a whole. It isn’t right that the Greens have 1 MP with that kind of vote share.
Soundbites are different. It's like gossip, they get to bitch about public figures like they do celebrities. Policies beyond the headlines? Nah.
I mean, people that would post in a thread like this are unusually politically active. I think I could name the 50k nurses thing and Brexit for the Tories, free broadband, green new deal, referendum for Brexit, beefing up NHS funding for labour?
I mean, maybe? Again, I don't know the answer, it's maybe it's not the manifesto -- and the two options are certainly not only just Blair or Corbyn but... this is a fucking disaster for everyone.
I agree but you shouldn’t compare with the SNP. Compare with another national party, like the Conservatives. It’s still massively disproportionate.
The Sun is obviously a rag but it is striking how little responsibility Corbyistas are willing to take. It’s everyone else’s fault. It’s the media’s fault. These people aren’t blameless but Corbyn and his policies are simply incapable of willing an election in this country. We can’t expect the country to change (not because it isn’t right but because it isn’t going to) so that leaves us with Labour.
Get brexit done*
*Brexit will not be done for a minimum of 5-10 years, even then it will impact the lives of UK citizens for decades.
Also once you old fucks go away we'll rejoin.
Yeah I mean all the other parties are a fine example of this in action, it’s a fair point.
So, what I'm coming down on is: If you voted Tory, you are dead to me. You are an un-person. In the abstract, I still want and will still fight for an improvement to your material conditions, but in the concrete fuck you and I will not acknowledge you as human.
I cried myself to sleep last night and now I regret waking up again. How after 9 years of Tory rule with homelessness, poverty and all our services slashed do they manage to get the biggest majority they've had since thatcher.
I'm in utter disbeleief at the state of this country and the people that lives here.
I'm in utter disbeleief at the state of this country and the people that lives here.
I just can't even. Oliver Dowden is a terrible MP and a terrible person.
It's been clear since the referendum that Brexit was politically popular. There's been a slight decline in support for it since then but it's still near-majority levels.
This election could end up turning out the lowest percentage of support for Brexit-supporting parties, but with nearly all that support being concentrated in the Conservative vote, that's enough for a huge majority under FPTP.
There's dozens of superior voting systems in use throughout the world. Virtually every democracy has a better voting system than the UK. Some of those are voting systems that were designed by the UK, and in some cases even are in use within the UK. PR-STV in Northern Ireland and D'Hondt in Scotland both produce much more proportional results than FPTP.
I really hope that Labour are able to maintain their general trajectory here, even if it is under another leader. Their policies *are* popular, but they've been beaten in no small part by a pathetic campaign against Corbyn and brexit.
I don't expect the next Labour leader to get it any different (and I wouldn't expect him to be perfect, just as Corbyn isn't) but I really hope that they continue to push forward a manifesto of hope. I'm reall gonna miss Corbyn, fuck the haters.
I don't expect the next Labour leader to get it any different (and I wouldn't expect him to be perfect, just as Corbyn isn't) but I really hope that they continue to push forward a manifesto of hope. I'm reall gonna miss Corbyn, fuck the haters.
It's a little similar to what we Americans went through in 2016, funny enough. A comparison I'm loathe to make, but is sort of applicable here unfortunately (person the party loves but is hated on the national level, only difference here being that Trump was more hated than Hillary while BoJo has better favorables than Corbyn).
When the majority of the country are cunts, no policy will help to not elect a cuntish government.
It would have reduced the majority, at the very least.
When there's an easily-accessible spreadsheet version of the full results someone will work through the figures (at the very least, I'll do that). It'll be a purely academic exercise though, as the kind of cooperation that would have been necessary isn't available within UK politics.
The reason sum totals to FPTP is cancer and third parties can't be viable in a FPTP system SNP is sorta the exception that proves the rule. But yeah, right leaners know the score and know better than to get in each other's way.
Indeed. I despair when people talk about it like a debt hanging over their head - way too much misinformation.
The system has been effective at getting more people to go to university too.
People often reference free tuition fees in Scotland as something we should seek to emulate, but..
Not saying the system is perfect, mind. It could be improved. But it's not anywhere as bad as some people make it out to be.
I just watched the news. Congratulations to the SNP and I hope this is an important step towards an independent Scotland.
The only small hope I still cling to is that the Tories didn't actually gain much vote share it was more that Labour supporters didn't turn up, so next time with a better leader that people can actually get a behind they might stand a chance.
It's a small hope but right now it's all I fucking have.
It's a small hope but right now it's all I fucking have.
I mean who else do we compare home too. Under Blair the Labour party took control with what most would consider fairly center left policies.
He was a war criminal, but still the last successful labour PM. Who else can we compare Corbyn with, but the last success.
From what I've seen, across the water here, Corbyn ran a decent campaign with solid policies. A lot of the shit was out of their control: bias in the media, Lib Dems spliting their vote, etc.
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It would be a shame to ditch the policies. Its not the polices. Its the smear campaign and the dirty politics. Getting out the youth vote happens but is not consistent. They also need to connect with the working class again. All this Brexit nonsense has divided them.
Not sure what but they need to pursue evey avanue against the papers and other media. Because that's where things enter the public consciousness. The impact is much greater than even circulation. All the Headlines are front an centre in the supermarket, people read them even if they dont buy the paper. Labour and others need to come up with something to deal with the papers becuase that's eating into their vote.
Had to go to the doctors today. It was empty, the olds must have been out partying all night.
Trying to pull out the positives from this mess at least no deal Brexit is pretty much off the table. SNP make a strong case for indyref2 however unlikely our blonde buffoon leader is to grant it. There are some casualties in Swinson and Goldsmith. I......can't think of any more.
"We need to have shittier policies" is a fucking damning indictment of both the electorate and the arguments for how Labour should go forward.
The British people have proven themselves vulnerable to propaganda, unable to vote in their best interests, and now truly fucked. The NHS will get sold off to the US, we will crash out of the EU with disastrous consequences, the Tories plan to change the law to make them less answerable to it, and the gap between rich and poor will widen.
You dumb fucks.
You dumb fucks.
You know, the SNP has one card left it can play before leaving. Couldn't they technically make the next indie ref a conditional, where if the UK leaves the EU Scottland leaves the UK but not a day sooner?
Probably won't happen. Can't even blame the scotts.
Probably won't happen. Can't even blame the scotts.
Yeah I think so. A lot of the seats seem very swingy. Without brexit as a driving force I think this would have been a much closer election.
Is there a mechanism that would allow a second independence referendum by bypassing Johnson/Westminster altogether?
I agree but this result was historic for both main parties soooo
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