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Number45

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Oct 25, 2017
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Look across the pond for an idea.
Had a chat with the colleague who said something along the lines of "chin up, we're not as fucked as America". I told him to check that again in 5 years or so...

it's Brexit, people really want Brexit, or more likely want Brexit to go away from their news feed 24h24.

until Brexit is finally "done" in some way that will satisfy the general public, tories will win by default by being the Brexit party.

what a shit show, hope something like this doesn't happen here in Italy in the future.
Yeah, one of many shocks these cunts can look forward to over the coming months and years is that brexit news is going fucking nowhere.
 

Steel

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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"THE PROBLEM IS THAT LABOUR MOVED TOO FAR FROM THE CENTRE" people cry, as they step over the corpses of the Liberal Democrats and The Independent Group.
This is like saying that the Green's performance means being as left as possible is always going to be shit. Lib dems are shit, but they weren't one of the two established parties in a FPTP system. Which both means they shouldn't have run and that they never had a chance no matter what direction they were.

And I have doubts it has anything to do with left or center isms either.
 

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Had a chat with the colleague who said something along the lines of "chin up, we're not as fucked as America". I told him to check that again in 5 years or so...

America will be fine. They'll actually back Sanders if Biden isn't the dem nom.

American media/journalists >>>>> UK

Even MSNBC learnt their lesson and refuse to give air time to Trumps extra fucked up antics
 

n00bs7ay3r

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Not as big a defeat as expected, but this is fucking awful. We've had years of a Tory Government that has lied, cheated and done some of the most disgusting shit in recent political history. Windrush, Austerity, Attempting to dismantle parts of our democracy. Yet people still wants this fucks running the government.

I've given up. This one. This is the one that breaks me. What is even the point in trying to save this country when most of it has decided to jump off s cliff. I'm not even angry anymore, I'm just so disappointed. What more do the Tories need to do, to fuck the country and its people before they realise how fucking idiotic we're being done. I need to leave, I need to find a job in Canada and get out.

Corbyn is the best candidate this party has ever had. None of this centrism bullocks under Blair. An actual Lefty with actual policies that could help so many. Is the only way to win to really compromise on our ideals? Ugh.

Just don't come to Alberta. A not insignificant number of people in the province literally want to separate from Canada just because conservatives did not win the last election.

FUN BONUS FACT: If the conservatives had won the last election, our current Prime Minister would be Andrew Scheer, a person who just had to announce that he is resigning as leader of the party because he used party funds to pay for his children's private education.
 

Puroresu_kid

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Oct 28, 2017
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My Scottish friends please educate me on this. How is this result any good for you when you know this Tory government won't give you indyref2?

Pressure. The arguments against another indy ref are running pretty thin when the SNP are winning heavily in Scotland.

The longer Westminster deny it the more popular independence becomes popular in Scotland.
 

Eoin

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Oct 27, 2017
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If maybe argue that the SNP victory isn't quite as good as hoped also as their vote share is 45%

Which is great, don't get me wrong. But it's not Indyref winning.
If it were only SNP supporters who favoured independence that would be totally correct. However, there's non-trivial minorities of supporters of other parties that would vote for independence (just like there's a non-trivial minority of SNP voters who would vote against, and are voting SNP because they like the SNP's policies or as an anti-Conservative vote).

The Scottish Greens are also in favour of independence as well.

Polls now tend to show a near-50/50 split. With this election confirming a Johnson ministry that will almost certainly last for five years and may run for a decade, and with any doubt that the UK would leave the EU now having been effectively removed, I'd guess an independence referendum in Scotland would produce a vote in favour. Probably with a 1% or 2% margin, but still in favour.
 

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Yup this is how I feel.

Labour overall won more votes than they did when they won in 2005 though, so is there still hope for the next election when even more gammons die and more young people join the fray?
I'm gutted. I have an autistic child, and the Tories are slowly moving towards a complete freeze of funding for children's mental health services. My mother has also lost out to the WASPI shitshow. Half of my family is Danish, and my mother in law was considering retiring with us in the UK, and now probably can't. We will see a very tangible and immediate fallout from this in my family. Fucking hell.
 

Aldi

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Oct 27, 2017
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Lol, salty Tories putting up shitty posters outside schools in Sheffield to scaremonger into not voting Corbyn and we still voted Labour. Fuck you Tories.
 

Kaitos

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Oct 25, 2017
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the real tea is that is has much more to do with personal favorables than ideology and these two things aren't always related okay bye.
 

Goskarrr

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Oct 27, 2017
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Wow, dire times ahead. As a mainland European it's just sad to see without too many doubts that most of the Brits want nothing to do with us and don't see themselves as Europeans which is what I thought and hoped for since the inception of the EU. Best of luck to everyone involved, we're all gonna need it.
 

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That money could be better spent in many ways to aid the poorest in society and make their lives better.
I hate these kind of policies because it's what breeds resentment and always ends up with the tories back in power. We have enough wealth to have things like free lifetime education and free broadband.

Can't wait till we have some form of universal income as well instead of the awful pension and benefit system.
 

MrBadger

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I just have zero energy for people blaming Labour for being too left or Corbyn for being dislikable. The billionaires that own the BBC don't want to pay their taxes, so this would have been the result no matter who leads Labour.
 

SMD

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Oct 28, 2017
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We'll never agree on this but I think the Lib Dem's would have done much better if we didn't have FPTP.

If we didn't have FPTP then the entire election becomes a completely different ball game. FPTP is what enabled Johnson to get a majority both in terms of the swing needed to get the seats and to keep the Brexit Party away.

If we didn't have FPTP we'd probably have had a much better coalition government and wouldn't be in this mess. The Labour Right would've gone long ago and the infighting wouldn't have been so severe, ditto with the moderate Tory wing. So many things would be different under a new system that there's no way you could have the election playing out the way it did.

And that's why the establishment will do anything to maintain it.
 

Zampano

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Dec 3, 2017
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We're about to get the Tories bareback.

Only hope (and I'm not convinced by this) is that with a huge majority Johnson won't have to bend to the ERG as much on Brexit.
 

Vault

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The BBC has to be torn down and the license fee scrapped

The organisation should have no future in this country they are a disgrace
 

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I just have zero energy for people blaming Labour for being too left or Corbyn for being dislikable. The billionaires that own the BBC don't want to pay their taxes, so this would have been the result no matter who leads Labour.
Has a UK party ever won an election with the same leader after losing the previous one? I honestly don't know.
 

SMD

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We're about to get the Tories bareback.

Only hope (and I'm not convinced by this) is that with a huge majority Johnson won't have to bend to the ERG as much on Brexit.

I keep seeing this take, like Johnson is some kind of moderate.

Johnson is going to absolutely fist the UK with a hard Brexit, there's nothing stopping him from taking us out completely on January 31st and tearing up all agreements. He doesn't care, him and his lot are going to profit massively.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I'm gutted. I have an autistic child, and the Tories are slowly moving towards a complete freeze of funding for children's mental health services. My mother has also lost out to the WASPI shitshow. Half of my family is Danish, and my mother in law was considering retiring with us in the UK, and now probably can't. We will see a very tangible and immediate fallout from this in my family. Fucking hell.

On the Waspi aspect, its going to court regardless, and there's a chance they will be ordered to pay out anyway. This would have happened to whoever won the election - i personally think a court ordered compensation is on the cards. My mums going through the same thing and campaigning on the issue herself. So fingers crossed.
 

MouldyK

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Someone came into the office (up London, so lol) today and probably the Sole Tory in the office (well the one who doesn't shut up about Brexit) was like to them "Ha! I told you! Where were all the young people?" like some 5-year old in school.

She shook her head and uttered under her breath: "Oh, it's gonna be a long day".

More details from someone at work: "also the sole half chinese, white guy, single, with two kids (they don't live with him thank goodness) has been going on about this all morning.

He said to our manager that he felt sorry for one brexit politician as they could have got a seat had the tory turnout not been so high in a constituency (LOL)

He then came back some time later to tell my manager (who just entertains him) saying if they wanna leave, then good riddance to them (in reference to scotland)"
 
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Maximum jimmies rustled after that speech.

Fuck yeah! Scotland and Ireland unite!

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Complete the promise which was never fully recognised. It is destiny.
 

PJV3

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Oct 25, 2017
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I mean the best idea going forward would be to still have a similar manifest to Corbyn but not in a way that's absolutely loathed by the general electorate and media. It's would be repacking the idea that already exist. I think it's possible, though I get some think anyone who isn't Blair would be universally hated.

Yeah, I'm just sick of the party thinking it can't be a proper left wing party if it starts off with a smaller list, you don't need to slash and burn the left of the party like new Labour did.

But it's all or nothing it seems, I would be fucking delighted with half of what Corbyn was trying to do.
 

KingSnake

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't think Labour needs to shift too much towards center. They need to have somebody who is able to sell those policies outside the core of fanatical supporters. And who can take on Tories one on one like Nicola does (and SNP in general). Also all those resources spent on bullying lib dems turned out to be pretty in vain. Would have been better focusing on mobilizing the Labour voters more.
 
Oct 31, 2017
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I don't even want to begin to digest this horror right now. Thanks to everybody here, it's been a trip. I'm going to get wasted and do a Ghibli marathon for the next couple of days. Peace.
 

Hazzuh

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Oct 28, 2017
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I think it's pretty unlikely the Labour party lurches right any time soon, the membership is not up for that all. Unfortunately, Corbyn has put the party in such a big hole that the next leader will probably lead the party to defeat and be discredited too.
 

Arkanim94

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't think Labour needs to shift too much towards center. They need to have somebody who is able to sell those policies outside the core of fanatical supporters. And who can take on Tories one on one like Nicola does (and SNP in general). Also all those resources spent on bullying lib dems turned out to be pretty in vain. Would have been better focusing on mobilizing the Labour voters more.
the tories have to swallow the Bitter pill and start to figure out what they want to be in a post Brexit UK.

fucking hell, why is the west going so much to shit?
 
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I think if you guys are sure it's not the policies then fine but you absolutely cannot just blame 'the media' and Brexit, that's a sure fire route to another defeat in 5 years.

There will always be a 'Brexit' in an election, a topic the right can point to and say it's more important than social justice and inequality, always, until the end of time. And a fair proportion of the people will say that's why they voted Tory but the truth will be they don't think we need more social justice or equality, and these results prove that's not just people doing well, it's also people who are struggling.

If Labour wants to be on the left it has to do a lot more outside of the campaign window to convince people that they need what the left is offering, and it BADLY needs to happen outside towns and cities. That this Labour leadership hasn't even convinced people who would directly benefit from their polices to vote for them...it's shameful, no matter what the media is saying, what the other leaders are saying, they've done a bad job.
 

Umbrella Carp

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I think if you guys are sure it's not the policies then fine but you absolutely cannot just blame 'the media' and Brexit, that's a sure fire route to another defeat in 5 years.

There will always be a 'Brexit' in an election, a topic the right can point to and say it's more important than social justice and inequality, always, until the end of time. And a fair proportion of the people will say that's why they voted Tory but the truth will be they don't think we need more social justice or equality, and these results prove that's not just people doing well, it's also people who are struggling.

If Labour wants to be on the left it has to do a lot more outside of the campaign window to convince people that they need what the left is offering, and it BADLY needs to happen outside towns and cities. That this Labour leadership hasn't even convinced people who would directly benefit from their polices to vote for them...it's shameful, no matter what the media is saying, what the other leaders are saying, they've done a bad job.

Can you really imagine any other outcome for a Democratic Socialist going door to door in rural England other than getting the door slammed in their face?
 
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