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UK General Election 12th December 2019 |OT1| Hindsight is 20/19 (Tory majority confirmed)
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As expected, it wasn't a car-crash by Boris standards and Corbyn looks fucking drained.
But that's still close, so there's hope.
Corbyn is so clearly better at answering questions and being sincere but Boris' stammering and repeating of "Get Brexit Done" works and I bet more people thought he did better.
I genuinely have to question my sanity when I see these two side by side and Corbyn isn't overwhelmingly more popular.
I genuinely have to question my sanity when I see these two side by side and Corbyn isn't overwhelmingly more popular.
"BBC debate - Snap verdict
The conventional wisdom among the punditocracy has been that this was Jeremy Corbyn's last change to change the dynamics of this contest, and if that was the case he probably didn't manage it, even though he may well have had the best of the debate. The Johnson message about Labour not offering certainty on Brexit is a powerful one, and if anything the PM made it tonight even more effectively tonight than he did in the ITV debate two and a half weeks ago. That said, Corbyn had the best moment, when he came back at Johnson over "failure of leadership" and said what was a failure of leadership was using racist language. It was a powerful blow, and perhaps the best moment of the debate. Corbyn also seemed stronger than Johnson on domestic policy. But probably not strong enough to shake up a campaign that (in terms of voting intention) the Tories seem to be winning."
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to no one's suprise...
The conventional wisdom among the punditocracy has been that this was Jeremy Corbyn's last change to change the dynamics of this contest, and if that was the case he probably didn't manage it, even though he may well have had the best of the debate. The Johnson message about Labour not offering certainty on Brexit is a powerful one, and if anything the PM made it tonight even more effectively tonight than he did in the ITV debate two and a half weeks ago. That said, Corbyn had the best moment, when he came back at Johnson over "failure of leadership" and said what was a failure of leadership was using racist language. It was a powerful blow, and perhaps the best moment of the debate. Corbyn also seemed stronger than Johnson on domestic policy. But probably not strong enough to shake up a campaign that (in terms of voting intention) the Tories seem to be winning."
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to no one's suprise...
Don't worry, Momentum will surely clip this. It's fucking gold.
It's kinda like if you insult your dog but use the same tone as your rewarding tone. "Who's a stupid boy? You are! Yes you are!"
It was a decades long plan by vested interests, I'm not surprised. Whenever you would casually watch the news and read how the EU does evil things. " Ali The Super Terrorist gets let off scot free and is allowed to run his Jihadi dungeon because the EU said his human rights were being infringed upon by having him arrested for evil things" is something that has persisted over years and years.
Same thing came out on the last QT snap poll and the deeper polling showed a very different story.
50-50 is a decent result for Corbyn given the personal rating disparity.
Raab looks like he needs to go to the bathroom to calm down/snort something. Holy christ that was horrid.
Holy shit that's the best way I've seen it framed. That is Boris.
And the public wag their tails like a dog would wag its tail if you call it a cunt in a chirpy and fun sounding Scottish accent.
"Whooo is increasing poverty? Who is it? We are! We are! There's a good British public".
They probably don't see anything wrong because they're Tories as well.
Zero questions on climate change, says so much about the BBC. Holy FUCK to the BBC journalist suggesting that the lack of questions on climate change proves people don't care about it as if the BBC don't pick the questions.
How do you think Thatcher lasted so long? And Major after her?
what if we... didn't hold government to any standards at all... ha ha... just kidding
unless
I genuinely think he's tired and fed up. It's like 3rd season Jose Mourinho when the whole world is out to get you and everyone gangs up on you.
On top of that - though I don't think it was deliberate - by focusing on improving major cities, whilst leaving rural towns to rot, successive governments have insured that the educated, progressive youth gathers in a handful of constituencies, whilst the rest are left sinking into small-minded conservatism.
It's right there in the Brexit result: 52/48 om paper, 65/35 at a constituency level.
Surely that "joke" only works from the Tories or the Brexit Party?
Fucking Lib Dems.
Chris Morris (the reality check one, not the amusing one) saying there were no massive whoppers.
Boris Johnson repeated his lies about the NI situation on the day that the evidence it was all lies was laid before us.
The BBC is chok-a-blok with right wing people pushing their agenda and fucking cowards unable to raise a finger against the government.
Boris Johnson repeated his lies about the NI situation on the day that the evidence it was all lies was laid before us.
The BBC is chok-a-blok with right wing people pushing their agenda and fucking cowards unable to raise a finger against the government.
Just finished watching - by far the most enjoyable debate of the campaign. It was nice that they could speak at longer length tbh.
Think Robinson was pretty fair overall, and better moderation than some of the other debates.
Fuck me Boris was awful though. I shouted at my TV when he managed to twist the racism question into a Get Brexit Done moment. After an hour, his whole platform just came across as incredibly narrow and boring - unable to answer questions in a straight manner - evasive, untrustworthy.
Corbyn came across as sensible, reasoned and calm in comparison. Giving him the victory there.
Think Robinson was pretty fair overall, and better moderation than some of the other debates.
Fuck me Boris was awful though. I shouted at my TV when he managed to twist the racism question into a Get Brexit Done moment. After an hour, his whole platform just came across as incredibly narrow and boring - unable to answer questions in a straight manner - evasive, untrustworthy.
Corbyn came across as sensible, reasoned and calm in comparison. Giving him the victory there.
Wow, what a fucking confusing stance on Brexit. How could anybody outside of MENSA understands Corbyn's messaging?
Makes me laugh considering how many arguments there have been on here about the Libs going for the tory seats when all they are doing is still trying to split the vote with Labour.
Aren't these two images a bit... contradictory?
When 62% think that Boris did well when he was constantly lying about figures he's been directly told he's lied about what's the fucking point of anything?
I'm being sarcastic.
It is kind of astonishing that Boris poses "Get Brexit Done" as the answer to literally anything because if he gets a majority he will 'Get Brexit Done' within about fifty days at which point nothing will change. People won't feel more united. Brexit won't actually be done. Uncertainty of one type will end and another type will begin. Services will still be horribly underfunded. The homeless will still be on the street. Austerity will still largely be in place.
Same as the ITV debate. Apparently, the British public likes to be lied too by out of touch people.
Aren't these two images a bit... contradictory?
They are a bit contradictory but you have to remember that there are people that will feel both did well and people that will feel both did badly. Those people apparently prefer Johnson. However there are more people that think Corbyn did well and Johnson did badly than vice versa.
It's good news for Corbyn. The majority of the country dislikes him and the majority of the country thing he did well tonight.
Asking "Leaving aside how you feel..." is ridiculously stupid for a respected polling outfit.
This is like the last fucking one. People don't seem to equate trustworthiness with prime ministerial lol
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