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UK General Election 12th December 2019 |OT1| Hindsight is 20/19 (Tory majority confirmed)
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"Disturbed" isn't the word I'd use. I think it should be tackled and Labour should have higher standards so even the numbers are undoubtedly relatively low considering the huge membership, it should still be treated as a priority issue and stamped out. But I refuse to be blind to the craven way that it being pounced on by opportunists who don't give a shit about racism, to the point of fabricating stories or willingly circulating said stories.
There's some really good journalists but I question a lot of the reporting on politics. It's reported like it's a fucking football game with no real stakes for millions of people.
Don't worry about him. He's just gone to the Simon21 school of "blindly accuse other people of antisemitism when you feel frustrated or embarrassed".
If it's not true, how can it be an incident of antisemitism?
If it's not true, how can it be an incident of antisemitism?
If it's not true, how can it be an incident of antisemitism?
Honestly, the state of our political discourse is so fucking depressing. The truth doesn't matter. Argument doesn't matter. It's just smear, smear and smear again.
Who cares whether Labour is actually a hotbed of antisemitism or not, let's say they are anyway. Who cares whether Jeremy Corbyn is actually a danger to Jews, let's say he is anyway. If they defend themselves? Well that just proves our point!
The irony is Boris isn't even pro business. Brexit any kind of brexit including his Withdrawal Deal, will screw business's all of them better than anything Corbyn could ever do.
Is this guy a BXP fan or something? There's a tweet where he's asking for evidence that Farage is racist (or is he being sarcastic).
I wonder how concerned you are about Boris's overt racism, and also the Conservatives Islamaphobia.
This sums up my feelings going through that series of posts. If it's fake news (and I will say that's not confirmed yet) then it's not a sign of anything except of the one who made it up being a piece of shit.
If he did it, turf him out on his arse, but if Dan fucking Hodges is coming to Labour's defence on anti semitism, that should tell you something
Kevin Schofield is the editor of Politics Home and generally a centrist, hypocrite melt.
Does a lot of "a senior Labour source tells me..." parroting wrecking from people within the Labour Right. Was pretty funny when Tom Watson stood down because it's been long rumoured Watson was his sole source. Guess Wes Streeting is going to have to step his game up.
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In other news, People's Vote continues to implode:
The right wing media has also of course demonised the EU. They share a lot of responsibility for the UK continuing to go down the plughole due to certain rich people (and right wing media owners) wishing to line their pockets as much as possible.
Many voters are too brainwashed, ignorant and stupid to see what the Tories are doing, meaning that the Tories are going to win this election and the UK is going to sink even further. Perhaps it's time to emigrate from the UK if at all possible.
We live in a completely fucked and horrible place when Corbyn is perceived as the racist and Boris isn't.
If there is a silent pact between the Tories and BXP then we're staring down the barrel. A Tory majority under Boris Johnson after the last decade would utterly crush me. But, at least it's still early doors and there's still plenty of campaigning in earnest to come.
On a somewhat political point, I got my first ambulance ride to the hospital a few nights ago. Urgent Care was rammed on a Wednesday night and everyone who treated me was from an overseas background.
We have so much worth protecting. I hope we don't throw it away for Brexit.
On a somewhat political point, I got my first ambulance ride to the hospital a few nights ago. Urgent Care was rammed on a Wednesday night and everyone who treated me was from an overseas background.
We have so much worth protecting. I hope we don't throw it away for Brexit.
😂 I love when Lib Dems own themselves. They are always so oblivious to the reason why what they said is blowing up in their faces.
Nothing will beat this classic for self owning though.
For the 1000th time, this is not an isolated incident. Are you disputing there's anti-Semitism inside labour?
Political tribalism can't excuse abhorrent behaviour.
I think given the environment inside labour that it probably happened, we'll see if I wrong but I don't think I am.
Appalling, but I expect that from the Tories. They've always been racists, don't expect me to defend them.
How does that make anti-Semitism inside labour more or less tolerable? Just because the Tories (and lib Dems) are shit doesn't make labour somehow beyond any criticism
You do realize it's possible to find both wrong and perhaps I'm more concerned with labour because it's (much) closer to my political views?
Corbyn has been leader for over 4 years and the problem I would suggest has only gotten worse
no. it's their central policy, like in 2017. increase every income tax band by 1p to finance an 11bn increase in mental health funding.
increasing tax on everyone to pay for their spending helps with their primary economic message about how labour and the tories are both risking the economy with dangerous over-spending and only the lib dems are responsible. it's interesting positioning outflanking the tories from the right on investment tbh.
I highly doubt it matters to the folks who brush stuff like that off.
But yes I agree, the reason people in predominantly left-leaning circles criticize Labour more than Tories on racism and whatnot is because the people in those circles aren't Tory voters and won't be. So why should they even waste breath on criticism?
If people want a better Labour, they should stop closing ranks whenever issues like this come up. Reminds me of any Dems who went to bat for Al Franken. Was the timing of his ousting favorable to the GOP? Yes. Does that matter? No.
No. The sad truth is there are bound to be instances of antisemitism inside any organisation with half a million members. The same is true of homophobia, sexism, and any number of other bigotries. Indeed Labour just expelled an MP due to his homophobia.
The fight against antisemitism, like the fight against racism or bigotry in general, will never truly be over because it will never be truly eradicated.
What I do dispute is that the incidence of antisemitism within Labour is anything other than a fraction of that found in society at large, or in other similarly sized organisations. Labour are an anti-racist party and have some of the toughest stances opposing racism to be found in any organisation in the world.
Yeah the entire strategy by team Boris even during the conservative leadership election was to hide him away as much as possible. They know there is a high chance of him saying something fucked up or dumb in a real interaction, especially a hostile interaction with real people.
So if you think you're right then the story must be true? What are you even talking about anymore?
So flooding again, I wonder if it's gonna have any election ramifications. Maybe they'll be speedy helping for once. Tories aren't gonna admit that shit they actively endorse, e.g. climate change, farming and grouse shooting, are responsible for the constant floods.
Big fan of the new policy on childcare that the LDs are pushing. Scrap the corporation tax rises, funnel £14bn into free childcare for all from 2 years old and free for working households from when the current system's parental leave cuts off at 9 months.
Labour's pledge to re-open Sure Starts is a solid policy too - glad this election is not only about Brexit.
Labour's pledge to re-open Sure Starts is a solid policy too - glad this election is not only about Brexit.
I wouldn't hold my breath for the press to actually notice the link between conservative policies and shit flood defences.
I'd still like to believe there is enough common ground should there be a need to form an alliance government that it wouldn't immediately collapse and some positive changes could happen. I don't think these policies are that far apart.
I wouldn't hold my breath for the press to actually notice that the North exists.
I was hoping voters would, but I guess that's even less likely than the media. We had pretty devastating floods here 4 years ago. Quite a lot of businesses at the bottom of town still closed.
Labour are pledging 30 hours a week free childcare for all kids 2 years old and above as well (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-50353568)
They're also offering full maternity for a year (https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ull-year-of-maternity-pay-in-labour-manifesto)
Just thought it'd be more balanced to note that Labour are doing more than just reinvigorating Sure Start.
Yeah, very true sadly. Moving some of the BBC to Manchester hasn't seemed to do much of anything.
It's horrible, every year for atleast the last 6 or 7 years maybe longer there have been massive floods in various areas of England. People don't realise how much people, especially less well off people have their lives and livelihoods absolutely destroyed by flooding.
I know some flooding is inevitable especially with climate change etc but that is a reason to increase spending on defences not heavily cut it like has been happening.
Hell, I'd bet the cost to the govt of clean up operations is probably higher than what they saved by cutting spending on flood defences.
Massively, wouldn't be surprised if the clean up companies are significant donors to the Tories.
Do politicians own shares in insurance companies and such......
Likely they just don't want the investment cost on their books during their term, why spend money on things we need when you can funnel the money into your own pockets via other projects and avenues.
It was kinda crazy seeing the defences when there was some, like they just about held in some places.
Likely they just don't want the investment cost on their books during their term, why spend money on things we need when you can funnel the money into your own pockets via other projects and avenues.
It was kinda crazy seeing the defences when there was some, like they just about held in some places.
Seems like the Brexit Party are actually just having a hard time finding candidates and it's a coincidence.
Maybe they were hoping for a pact and didn't plan to fight 600 seats. That takes a lot of time, money and people and they've had to do it all at fairly short notice.
Crazy how when all you hear about is Swinson shitting on Corbyn for nothing, things like this don't get seen. I realised the only policy of the lib dems I actually know of is revoking article 50
You mean when Swinson going after Corbyn is the only thing people in your particular circle draw attention to and spread around?
There definitely is. I've said before that one of the great ironies of the current ill-feeling between the two parties is that their more recent policy positions are a lot closer than some would assume.
The closest thing we currently have as a hint to where the Lib Dem manifesto is going to go is what they're billing their "plan for the future".
If the Greens stand aside for Labour who are unwilling to reciprocate the Greens don't exist as a party.
As with a lot of regional initiatives in the media, it's basically a giant sham and the majority of anything and everything actually still happens in London.
I'm trying to remember exactly how this trick worked, but there was a way producers got around regional programming rules by setting up a "production office" in places like Birmingham which were basically just a post address and *maybe* a phone line. Same with adding industry people who lived in the regions as executive producers or consultants, despite having pretty much zero part in creating the programming.
So basically the trick behind Apple somehow being 'based' in Ireland?
Politicians have been asked this question before and the answer will always be "yes" because if they say no it renders our nuclear deterrent pointless. It makes for great "warmonger xx wants to start nuclear armageddon" headlines though.
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