Funny, isn't it?
Austin hasn't been relevant in Labour for over a decade, and even then he was only one of Gordon Brown's lesser leg breakers. Tom Watson and Ed Balls did a lot more with their careers post 2010.
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UK General Election 12th December 2019 |OT1| Hindsight is 20/19 (Tory majority confirmed)
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Austin hasn't been relevant in Labour for over a decade, and even then he was only one of Gordon Brown's lesser leg breakers. Tom Watson and Ed Balls did a lot more with their careers post 2010.
Baffling when you hear the public talk about Corbyn and Labour. Life sucks, don't like him, life long Labour supporter, voting Tory/Boris. What!? Why does nobody reply with, Tories have been in power the last 10 years, what don't you like about Labour polices and Corbyn. They never ask this and if they do get some reason, oh he useless, they are mess. It's such a load of vapid shit.
There were always going to be multiple debates in different formats with different line ups. Swinsons crying that she should be in every single debate was nonsensical.
Little bit of drama in my constituency re: "Unite to remain"
Basically, the Greens are saying that Somerton and Frome was should have been included on the list of seats where the LD candidate would stand down for the Greens and that the LD candidate (seat is currently Tory held) refused to stand down and even rebuffed a visit from the chief whip.
LDs are denying this ever happened or that the seat should have been on the list
The idea that the LDs would stand aside in this seat seems insane to me. In 2015 and 2017 the Tories won with a large majority but it was Lib-dem from 1997 to 2015, the lib-dems smashed the local elections in the spring and I expected them to challenge hard for this seat. The Greens came fourth in 2015 and 2017.
If the lid-dems give up this seat, I would not expect all their votes to go to the Greens. Some would, some would go to Labour as the (slightly) more realistic challenger and some would go back to the Tories.
Very strange rumour in that case but there must be something in it
Basically, the Greens are saying that Somerton and Frome was should have been included on the list of seats where the LD candidate would stand down for the Greens and that the LD candidate (seat is currently Tory held) refused to stand down and even rebuffed a visit from the chief whip.
LDs are denying this ever happened or that the seat should have been on the list
The idea that the LDs would stand aside in this seat seems insane to me. In 2015 and 2017 the Tories won with a large majority but it was Lib-dem from 1997 to 2015, the lib-dems smashed the local elections in the spring and I expected them to challenge hard for this seat. The Greens came fourth in 2015 and 2017.
If the lid-dems give up this seat, I would not expect all their votes to go to the Greens. Some would, some would go to Labour as the (slightly) more realistic challenger and some would go back to the Tories.
Very strange rumour in that case but there must be something in it
Can't wait for the QT one. I hope there's a bunch of sweaty hams shouting at Corbyn to nuke someone again.
That was such a fucking shameful display by the BBC. Half the fucking 'questions' asked by gammon all making the same fucking point.
My main issue with the Greens is their opposition to nuclear energy, which I think is misguided and shortsited. THat said, Carolyn Lucas comes across as an actual human being, alwasy a rare thing in politics.
I think some minor drama here and there was always to be expected with something like this. Welsh Lib Dems throwing a miniature strop as well. I doubt the odd local party deciding to have a moan is going to have much of an impact on the national project though, tbh.
Certainly not the most egregious thing she's ever done, but Laura Kuenssberg confidently and energetically explaining shitposting to room full of political journalists, whilst having no idea what it actually means has to emblematic of something.
The fact that no one in the room corrected her is one thing, but actually clipping it and tweeting it out? Hilarious.
The fact that no one in the room corrected her is one thing, but actually clipping it and tweeting it out? Hilarious.
Yup. It's incredibly disappointing from them, although Lucas has at least made statement about Swinson being wrong to rule out working with Corbyn.
Yes they are? They've said previously (unless memory has failed me) that they'd campaign to remain after getting a deal that protects workers rights.
Messaged the candidate re: the above and he slightly cryptically agreed with me that it was 'madness'. But didn't say whether or not the drama happened. Not that I expected him to really. I'll be fucking pissed off he does stand down because picking a winner from Labour and the Greens will be hard. Labour did well in 2017(ish - came third) but Greens beat them in 2015 and I would guess that Labour will get fewer votes and the Greens will get more (if endorsed by the LDs) which puts them level pegging. Either way the Tories will stroll it.
They're not a pro remain party in an explicit sense. They're looking to negotiate a new Brexit deal.
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See he's been chatting shit again.
Nice to see the highest rated comments laying it out clearly!
Your memory's failed you.
I'd wager that actual Green party members definitely don't feel that the "point" of their party is predicated entirely on whether Labour supporters feel they're being useful to the Labour cause or not.
So, umm
There are 13 Labour MPs in the seats being targeted by the "remain alliance".
Of those, 10 are strongly pro-Remain (including MPs who resigned frontbench positions to support remain).
This seems... backward.
There are 13 Labour MPs in the seats being targeted by the "remain alliance".
Of those, 10 are strongly pro-Remain (including MPs who resigned frontbench positions to support remain).
This seems... backward.
Are they being targeted? Or are they low-key being aided. Those votes that would have gone the party or parties standing down, won't automatically go then remaining 'unite' candidate. Many of them will go to Labour.
This tweet needs to be updated to replace "Labour Right" with "Lib Dems":
"Targeted" is a strange way to put it their, imo. In practice this means that in all those seats one of Labour's potential competitors is standing down. In Stroud, for example, it's the 3rd place Lib Dems who are standing down. I've been struck by some of the Labour activist hand-wringing about how this will "split the vote and help the Tories" when in reality this can only help Labour in those seats where they're in a clear battle with the Conservatives.
EDIT: It seems to me that some Labour supporters have been so desperate to push the "Lib Dems actually want Brexit!" line that they're now trying to paint the Lib Dems standing down in Labour-Tory marginals as somehow designed to hurt Labour.
I can tell you you'd lose that wager in an awful lot of cases. Lots of Green party members that I know moved over from Labour because at the time, the Greens were offering a bold, radical left-wing alternative. Now, they almost universally are rooting for Corbyn to be Prime Minister, and despite unite to remain backing the Greens in this constituency, there's some disquiet about working with a platform that's seen to be anti-Labour to some degree.
The UK will end up with the same rural/urban divide the US has to contend with.
Iffy for Labour, but what's interesting is how much of that swing hasn't gone to the Tories. Almost looks in places like it'll be a game of Tories coaxing BXP voters vs. Labour coaxing LD/Green voters.
Edit: below regions it'll be interesting to see where these vote share increases/decreases are going as well.
Fieldwork was done weeks ago. Before the extension date was even reached.
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Youth vote registration also exploded in the past few weeks.
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Old poll but Cons already dropping, they cannot afford much more too. yeah lab need to gain points, but that's expected to happen just like last time
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BJP (yes, that BJP) activists vow to campaign for the Tories in 48 marginals (against Labour).
What the actual fuck?
I grew up in the North West and in one of the classic delapdated shit hole towns that was screwed over by the neverending London investment funnel.
It surprises me but also, I suppose I should totally expect people in that region to turn Tory. The tories have done nothing for that region ever but then neither did the last Labour government.
There's a lot of angry people in those areas, with little education a big old chip on their shoulder. I cannot stand to see Tory MPs representing these areas, voted in by people hamfistedly trying to make a point.
Ugh, the only hope is the Brexit part hoovering up some votes, considering it was a BNP heartland for a few years, there's plenty of people who leap to that right wing sideshow.
Man, can you imagine if they'd somehow managed to get the 16/17 year old ammendment to go through.
This is from 2 days ago.
That Labour drop and Tory gain in Yorkshire isn't really surprising.
Where I live in Wakefield was 66% for Brexit and Doncaster/Barnsley next door were both almost 70%, and Labour are simply seen as a pro-Remain party at this point around these areas.
Labour desperately need younger voters to be out in force up here.
Where I live in Wakefield was 66% for Brexit and Doncaster/Barnsley next door were both almost 70%, and Labour are simply seen as a pro-Remain party at this point around these areas.
Labour desperately need younger voters to be out in force up here.
It's kind of fucking insane that a part of the country that is seriously disillusioned with how things are going in 2019 are taking it out on a party that hasn't governed since 2010 and are fleeing to a party that has governed for almost a decade. Like it's not surprising because this has been happing for a while but it should be surprising. At a certain point there really is nothing you can do to help those who vote against their own interests.
It's not that surprising if you remember that this is the brexit election.
As much as people may want to focus on other issues.
Basically banking on Brexit putting the UK into such a shitshow that it will be forced to be favourable towards India in any potential post-Brexit trade deal. Which of course has been noted would likely including easING restrictions on migration.
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