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UK General Election 12th December 2019 |OT1| Hindsight is 20/19 (Tory majority confirmed)
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Didn't the SNP do that in the 70s?
EDIT - Actually not, they voted down the Labour goverment that was apparently going to lose an election anyway apparently so Thatcher got in a few months earlier likely would have happened if my breif look up is accurate.
labour crashing in leave areas after foisting on the leadership a 2nd referendum policy absolutely despised by leave voters that everyone in the remain establishment bizarrely insisted would actually have labour 20 points ahead. surely not. who could have predicted such a turn.
meanwhile a large crowd of remainers ignore basic facts and pretend like their policy is still to leave anyway.
The demand itself can only help the Tories, and I doubt they're unaware of that. They will not drop it.
I have no doubt that they would try, but they may concede if it was ruled out. All things considered I do believe that they have Scotland's best interests at heart.
Can I just say it is mental how FEW polls we've had in this campaign so far.
Normally during an election period you can't move for polls, and we're getting table scraps and stuff from literally weeks ago.
Normally during an election period you can't move for polls, and we're getting table scraps and stuff from literally weeks ago.
The thing is that a successful indyref would surely hinge on Brexit being delivered, so trying to pin that demand on Labour seems fruitless.
It's also a wildly different party from the 70s I would expect
And they tried to seem impartial
Sorry if I wasn't clear when I said I think they have the best interests at heart. I meant that whilst yes, what you say is true, they would have to risk fucking the country (Brexit) in order to get an IndieRef that is not guaranteed to succeed (which could then leave us in an even worse situation), and I don't think they would take that risk.
I still think it's not worth worrying about polls for anything other than a baseline right now.
Look at it from the other side. Do Labour want power or not, everyone wants power.
It feels like the SNP are having a conversation with themselves most of the time.
It makes no sense to have a list of demands for Labour because your alternative is the Tories and they'll give you less than nothing.
It makes no sense to have a list of demands for Labour because your alternative is the Tories and they'll give you less than nothing.
This was the middle of October (peak "Get Brexit Done") and the Tories are down a little.
If this held the only winner would be the Brexit Party who can pull votes off both (but it'll do more damage to Labour)
Political parties have to have a list on paper though? I know they won't back down on an Indy Ref, but it's possible that there rest are just for bargaining.
It's just a stance at this point to gain the most votes like they are all doing but lets be honest, who do you think will blink, Labour will not turn their nose up at gaining power over another scottish referendum if a coalition, supply and demand deal is their only route to power, they'll take it. I still don't think Scotland will vote yes next time, I don't think the risk of breaking up the union is that high for Labour to worry about agreeing to it and even if it does happen, I think if Wales follow, maybe Ireland unites but we still work together, it's a nice thought. Also, there is no guarantee SNP are going to turn all of Scotland yellow that allows them to sell the idea of another one so confidently.
Seems pretty damn unlikely. Think about it, if Labour goes for the referendum and Scotland goes independent all those anti-tory seats go poof. Would they really risk a temporary control of government for near guaranteed irrelevance long term. I mean even if the scottish don't vote for independence it would be an unpopular policy in the rest of uk.
There's not a single upside for going for a second referendum. In the chance they end reasonably strong in this election if the SNP won't play ball they might well go for another election eventually, regardless the SNP don't have a choice in regards to brexit and neither do the lib dems so in the odd chance this does happen Brexit itself would end up sorted one way or anotheer.
Some interesting Russia report related news from CNN
Scotland has given all the mandate it needs for the SNP to hold another referendum. The Tories, and anyone else denying the democratic rights of the citizens of Scotland will only tip it over the edge. This election will be another case of Scotland turning yellow, yet if Tories win in rUK we are apparently going to simply be denied.
I'm trying to picture Jean Claude Juncker or some one from Europe telling the UK government they were not allowed to have the Brexit referendum and the right wing press outrage about that.
I'm trying to picture Jean Claude Juncker or some one from Europe telling the UK government they were not allowed to have the Brexit referendum and the right wing press outrage about that.
On Indy Ref? I don't see it. It's like their whole reason for existing (well imo anyway).
Well like said above. If Labour said "not against it, but not committing to anything now" (pretty much their stance until this point), would the SNP give up the opportunity for power AND risk a CON government AND make Brexit a certainty? Sounds like they stand to lose a lot more by making indyref2 a red line with Labour.
And ironically forcing indyref2 on Labour is actually making it far less likely to happen.
I honestly respect JC, so I think that he's being honest about not ruling out an Indy Ref. If I were the leader of the SNP, I'd trust him. That's not saying I'd back down, but I'd back him on the basis that it's something that there would be frank and open discussions about, once he was in power.
I wouldn't say "if you don't agree now, we're not going to support you, or form a coalition" etc.
London loooooves Russian money, that's why. No doubt they've bought their way in and got people on their side with money, blackmail too. Just like the US too, money, great, it helps them get elected, great. Doesn't matter if they win.
The only way the SNP could possibly back down would be if Brexit looked like it was going to be cancelled and article 50 revoked. That's the only thing that would make an Indyref Yes win very unlikely. As it stands I think by the time we get an Indyref (if we are actually democratically respected) the chances of a Yes vote keep growing. Edit* YOUNG voters are massively pro Yes and even my old Tory voting mum and my once Eurosceptic Tory eldest brother are both voting SNP and Yes from now on.
The sooner the better, the UK is broken and needs to fix itself. Scotland can do so much better.
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Corbyn has already ruled it out, though this is during an election so that might change,
Look at 2017's polls. It took a good few weeks of campaigning until Labour kept their heads above 30%, while the Tories were frequently in the mid-high 40s. There may be no significant movement, but if there is to be any, it might well take a few weeks to materialise.
I'd vote Yes too if I lived in Scotland TBH. I'll probably join the campaign for a united Ireland if this Tory Brexit happens.
This made me wonder if we knew what was going on with my constituency yet, and turns out we do:
Wonder why she's not on that list. Maybe this splits the Tory vote here 🤞🤞
Fucking lol.
Another Tory """rebel""" who licked the boot and got the shaft anyway.
Guess he can go be Gaukeward on the after-dinner speaking circuit.
Speaking of the circuit, Theresa May, our very own MLK, is now on it. She has described herself as "inspiring".
I guess it is kind of inspiring that a person with no discernable talents whatsoever was able to become prime minister.
That must be what Torys mean when they talk about 'aspiration'
The British Dream
Guardian's Freedland just out there getting brown people mixed up when accusing them of antisemitism
I mean, they've literally got the same name. That's an easy mistake to make regardless of race.
I mean yeah, but only if the accusation was banal and the person saying it wasn't a famous journalist. With the way news/stories disseminate these days, and the sheer number of fake news stories, you'd hope a national journalist for a supposedly left wing newspaper would do at least do some research before labelling a muslim Labour candidate an antisemite.
could also try checking instead of just just being the end of the human centipede for people with an axe to grind
Please Tories, more honesty gaffes
I need to not be that thing centrists always complain about of yelling at lib dems more than tories
I need to not be that thing centrists always complain about of yelling at lib dems more than tories
I'm laughing at the libs
Surely that is a poorly thought out attempt at humour? I find it hard to believe that even one of that lot is that tone dea
Having looked at her feed it is full of "well I'm sorry the left don't get HUMOUR"
Is there something against a candidate just wiping out all their social media. Just seems like there's never any good that comes from having a visible social media presence. Though that requires self awareness which many candidates seem to lack. Not that the lib dem will amount to anything other than a bit of ridicule for a day
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Yeah, "easy mistake" wasn't really my intent - he should have fact checked better. More like it's just as easy for them to make his mistake with a white person. Calling them out for mixing up brown people is unfair imo.
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