In the event of a Labour-leaning hung parliament, could anyone see the SNP sticking to their indyref demand when the alternative is another election and a potential Con victory?
In the event of a Labour-leaning hung parliament, could anyone see the SNP sticking to their indyref demand when the alternative is another election and a potential Con victory?
In the event of a Labour-leaning hung parliament, could anyone see the SNP sticking to their indyref demand when the alternative is another election and a potential Con victory?
I have no doubt that they would try, but they may concede if it was ruled out. All things considered I do believe that they have Scotland's best interests at heart.
It's also a wildly different party from the 70s I would expectDidn't the SNP do that in the 70s?
EDIT - Actually not, they voted down the Labour goverment that was apparently going to lose an election anyway apparently so Thatcher got in a few months earlier likely would have happened if my breif look up is accurate.
Can I just say it is mental how FEW polls we've had in this campaign so far.
Normally during an election period you can't move for polls, and we're getting table scraps and stuff from literally weeks ago.
The thing is that a successful indyref would surely hinge on Brexit being delivered, so trying to pin that demand on Labour seems fruitless.
Can I just say it is mental how FEW polls we've had in this campaign so far.
Normally during an election period you can't move for polls, and we're getting table scraps and stuff from literally weeks ago.
Sorry if I wasn't clear when I said I think they have the best interests at heart. I meant that whilst yes, what you say is true, they would have to risk fucking the country (Brexit) in order to get an IndieRef that is not guaranteed to succeed (which could then leave us in an even worse situation), and I don't think they would take that risk.
It feels like the SNP are having a conversation with themselves most of the time.
It makes no sense to have a list of demands for Labour because your alternative is the Tories and they'll give you less than nothing.
Seems pretty damn unlikely. Think about it, if Labour goes for the referendum and Scotland goes independent all those anti-tory seats go poof. Would they really risk a temporary control of government for near guaranteed irrelevance long term. I mean even if the scottish don't vote for independence it would be an unpopular policy in the rest of uk.It's just a stance at this point to gain the most votes like they are all doing but lets be honest, who do you think will blink, Labour will not turn their nose up at gaining power over another scottish referendum if a coalition, supply and demand deal is their only route to power, they'll take it. I still don't think Scotland will vote yes next time, I don't think the risk of breaking up the union is that high for Labour to worry about agreeing to it and even if it does happen, I think if Wales follow, maybe Ireland unites but we still work together, it's a nice thought. Also, there is no guarantee SNP are going to turn all of Scotland yellow that allows them to sell the idea of another one so confidently.
Political parties have to have a list on paper though? I know they won't back down on an Indy Ref, but it's possible that there rest are just for bargaining.
Well like said above. If Labour said "not against it, but not committing to anything now" (pretty much their stance until this point), would the SNP give up the opportunity for power AND risk a CON government AND make Brexit a certainty? Sounds like they stand to lose a lot more by making indyref2 a red line with Labour.
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The only way the SNP could possibly back down would be if Brexit looked like it was going to be cancelled and article 50 revoked. That's the only thing that would make an Indyref Yes win very unlikely. As it stands I think by the time we get an Indyref (if we are actually democratically respected) the chances of a Yes vote keep growing. Edit* YOUNG voters are massively pro Yes and even my old Tory voting mum and my once Eurosceptic Tory eldest brother are both voting SNP and Yes from now on.
Corbyn has already ruled it out, though this is during an election so that might change,Well like said above. If Labour said "not against it, but not committing to anything now" (pretty much their stance until this point), would the SNP give up the opportunity for power AND risk a CON government AND make Brexit a certainty? Sounds like they stand to lose a lot more by making indyref2 a red line with Labour.
And ironically forcing indyref2 on Labour is actually making it far less likely to happen.
I'd vote Yes too if I lived in Scotland TBH. I'll probably join the campaign for a united Ireland if this Tory Brexit happens.The only way the SNP could possibly back down would be if Brexit looked like it was going to be cancelled and article 50 revoked. That's the only thing that would make an Indyref Yes win very unlikely. As it stands I think by the time we get an Indyref (if we are actually democratically respected) the chances of a Yes vote keep growing. You get voters are massively pro Yes and even my old Tory voting mum and my once Eurosceptic Tory eldest brother are both voting SNP and Yes from now on.
The sooner the better, the UK is broken and needs to fix itself. Scotland can do so much better.
Speaking of the circuit, Theresa May, our very own MLK, is now on it. She has described herself as "inspiring".
Anyone can make it!I guess it is kind of inspiring that a person with no discernable talents whatsoever was able to become prime minister.
I guess it is kind of inspiring that a person with no discernable talents whatsoever was able to become prime minister.
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Guardian's Freedland just out there getting brown people mixed up when accusing them of antisemitism
I mean, they've literally got the same name. That's an easy mistake to make regardless of race.
could also try checking instead of just just being the end of the human centipede for people with an axe to grindI mean, they've literally got the same name. That's an easy mistake to make regardless of race.
Having looked at her feed it is full of "well I'm sorry the left don't get HUMOUR"Surely that is a poorly thought out attempt at humour? I find it hard to believe that even one of that lot is that tone dea
I mean yeah, but only if the accusation was banal and the person saying it wasn't a famous journalist. With the way news/stories disseminate these days, and the sheer number of fake news stories, you'd hope a national journalist for a supposedly left wing newspaper would do at least do some research before labelling a muslim Labour candidate an antisemite.