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UK General Election 12th December 2019 |OT1| Hindsight is 20/19 (Tory majority confirmed)
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Surprising, everyone loves muslims. /s
Watch their polls increase.
As long you're one of the good ones, conservative values, placid and don't rub it in our face you too can screw the masses and get rich.
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As long as there's money to be made, and others (especially from your minority) to oppress, never.
Fair play to her. I expect her being interviewed on all the main political TV and radio shows tomorrow and headlines being made....
Just to say that, especially the second tweet. Yeah she's crazy for being a Tory but I'd rather the occasional person speaking up than never at all.
Regrdless of her other politics, it is hard to object to her desire to end islamophobia in the Tory party. Yes, yes, we all know the fruitlessness of that, but I'm not sure the appropriate response is to mock or criticise her
My own take, yeah.
I think the issue at hand exceeds political allegiances.
Plot twist: they're all doing the podcast version of shitposting and we all fell for it
No, the appropriate response is to criticise her. She was in the party when Theresa May was Home Secretary and she knows exactly what her party has done for Muslims in Britain. She's scum and I have zero sympathy for her and her crap attempts at rehabilitating herself.
She's been fairly consistent on this for some time now.
I'm never going to criticise someone for trying to resolve/call out racism, either.
Benefits everyone if shit like that gets called out, especially when there's a good chance that the party in question will be in government for the next few years.
It's not that, I don't trust her motives. What her end goal is, I don't know. She knows she will never get the outcome she wants, so why is she now looking for attention from the public.
Trying to root out islamphobia from the Tory party is like trying to stop water from being wet.
What nefarious end goal is there for calling out racism?
warsi has been an excellent campaigner on tory islamophobia. one part of the huge problem* for our media with exposing it properly is that all tory mp's refuse to go on record talking about it as a problem (unlike labour mp's who are very willing to speak out on anti-semitism). if your position is that all tories are inherently bad and can't be good campaigners on single issues because of that then changing this becomes impossible.
*the main problem is most of them consider islamophobia to be correct and common sense because of the makeup of the lobby
*the main problem is most of them consider islamophobia to be correct and common sense because of the makeup of the lobby
Not just Islamophobia the Tories are still deporting Windrush people secretly. Shit makes me sick. Anyone saying vote for them cus Corbyn is a racist, is a cunt
Basically this. Warsi and other Tory minorities are just there to lend an air of credibility, that somehow the Tories can be rehabilitated. They can't, racism is part of their DNA and what it means to be a Tory supporter.
by this logic if the iraq war was so bad corbyn/abbott/mcdonnell should have quit labour entirely over it
as their current positions show there's merits to fighting and winning the argument inside the party
ok but the tory party is going to continue to exist and win some elections as much as i dislike that fact so it'd be great if we could find ways to make them less racist
I'm pretty pissed off with people like Blunkett suddenly popping up to make a shit non-contribution to the election campaign, and I hope nobody allows people like Margaret Hodge to try and argue they care about winning and results after the general election.
I thought he tended to be less eager to stick his nose in than other new Labour types, but I probably just don't remember him doing it.
BBC - General election 2019: 'Misleading' Abbott tweet used in Labour campaign
Is it just me or is it incredibly odd for the BBC to have this as a front page story based on a comment which is pretty bang average in terms of political spin? Sure it's somewhat misleading but giving it this attention feels like pretty blatant revenge for Diane criticising the media. It's absolutely negligible compared to the shit Tories come out with every time their mouths open about Brexit.
Is it just me or is it incredibly odd for the BBC to have this as a front page story based on a comment which is pretty bang average in terms of political spin? Sure it's somewhat misleading but giving it this attention feels like pretty blatant revenge for Diane criticising the media. It's absolutely negligible compared to the shit Tories come out with every time their mouths open about Brexit.
I wouldn't call them legitimate or I don't know, I don't trust these ratings agency's I'm guessing fiscal prudence means, they aren't wedded to austerity(austerity hasnt improved any country that has done it and its not like a government that is in charge of its own currency could ever go bankrupt, at least as long as they don't get involved with the IMF sharks). These agency's all have their ulterior motives and well economics is fucked at the moment and more akin to a religion than a legitimate science.
True, it's usually in the form of a 50 minute lecture on the history of the Labour party, he wasn't a very good soundbite guy.
Yeeeeaaahhhh, notice how the idea the tweet is misleading is immediately put in the title, even if not strictly stating it as such (versus an implicit quote), as opposed to simply [Prime Minister Says X! and then maybe it might actually be bullshit in the article proper]
Man I just got round to watching the last leg and what an embarrassment that show has become in the last year or so. We're talking about a show with two people who are heavily disabled, Alex Brooker and Adam Hills, sitting there discussing how they may vote Tory all of a sudden despite the constant attacks on the poor and disabled. I'm a carer for disabled individuals and also my wife, this is some privilege that's just embarrassing and absolutely beyond the pale for a show that was made with the idea of representing the disabled in the first place.
I've been an avid watcher for years but fuck these guys. I thought these guys would be fighting for the disadvantaged, but they're no better than any part of the media. I stopped the show there and then and honestly have no desire to watch their bullshit again. Jesus fucking christ. I'm honestly really shocked and just dont even know what the fuck they were aiming for.
I've been an avid watcher for years but fuck these guys. I thought these guys would be fighting for the disadvantaged, but they're no better than any part of the media. I stopped the show there and then and honestly have no desire to watch their bullshit again. Jesus fucking christ. I'm honestly really shocked and just dont even know what the fuck they were aiming for.
What the hell? I haven't seen tonight's episode, but what did they say? Because they've been consistently shitting on the Tories for things like cutting benefits for years.
Well I figure a few decades at Her Majesty's pleasure is a good start.
About halfway into the episode Adam Hills says he doesnt know who to vote for, either Corbyn who's an anti semite or Johnson with his attacks on the poor, in a more or less his own words. That was jumping off point for me. These guys know the harm the Tories have done to the disabled and they seemingly dont give a shit anymore.
Gove, Johnson and Javid all pledged to do this on national prime time TV. They need to be absolutely nailed for dropping this.
On a more positive note I'm absolutely delighted with the Lib Dems new childcare policy:
35 month's free childcare for working parents from 9 months and crucially childcare providers will also receive a significant boost in funding for 2-4 year olds as well. Funded by reversing corporation tax cuts and an increase in capital gains tax. I know that the manta of "yellow Tories" is popular here but the policy just doesn't match upto the perception. It is true that there is a deliberate attempt to attract moderate conservative voters in this campaign but given the constituency makeup that is the obvious strategy to the most possible seats and crucial in preventing a Johnson majority.
Just watched it and at least Nish pretty much said that was stupid. lol
Unfortunately you're in the wrong place to talk about the merits of supporting people who choose to have kids.
Suppose it's representative of the mountain Labour have to climb.
I feel Labour need to do something more than just be responding to all the anti-Semitism stuff, which always looks to be on the back foot, but heaven knows how you accomplish that.
just kills me that people have effortlessly shifted from the actual evidence which shows corbyn to have shamefully missed a racist trope in a facebook post and failed to effectively reform a large and unwieldy internal party bureaucracy to address internal complaints....to baldly declaring "corbyn is an anti-semite" constantly on national tv as if it's a self-evident truth
imagine if he'd actually done what boris has on racism. written years of newspaper articles attacking jews for their appearance and culture to whip up hatred, been major part of a government that forcibly deported british jews etc,
whereas the evidence that the tories don't care for the poor is all around us and has been for almost a decade
That was Nish's point. Like if you are actually worried about voting for a racist, Boris wouldn't even be an option.
I don't know who these people are, doesn't sound like given the world anything culturally relevant, but as well as giving the impression that they're incapable of intelligent insight, I assume they're well off. Certainly doesn't sound like they give a shit about disabled / poor and they certainly are being either incredibly stupid or disingenuous in alleging concerns about racial discrimination or they wouldn't countenance voting for a party helmed by a man with a history of actual, on the record racism.
It's hard to escape the suspicion that they just don't want to pay a tiny bit more tax - there might also be a bit of the old right-wing "we're disabled and made something of ourselves so anyone who doesn't has only themselves to blame".
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