UK government compiled list of sexual harassment for blackmailing votes. It's leaked.

zomgbbqftw · Oct 31, 2017

Dan said:
BBC reporting Labour activist Bex Bailey was raped at a party event in 2011, and was "was told reporting the 2011 incident could "damage" her and that she was given no advice on what she should do next."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41821671

Now we know why Labour we're keeping so quiet about it, I'm certain this is not going to be last serious allegation for the major parties either.

I'm also going to venture a guess that the reason the press are keeping quiet is because they have a lot of skeletons in their collective closet.

BR2049 · Oct 31, 2017

So this is how conservatives do it.

Mindwipe · Oct 31, 2017

Dan said:
BBC reporting Labour activist Bex Bailey was raped at a party event in 2011, and was "was told reporting the 2011 incident could "damage" her and that she was given no advice on what she should do next."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41821671

Terrible. Sadly human nature that will be focused on less though, given we don't have the name of the perpetrator.

Hat22 · Oct 31, 2017

madstrike said:
Well, tories also stopped a Scotland Yard child-rape investigation when it was getting close to their members last year, iirc. I remember there was one Penguin-looking-fucker, that there were strong indications of him being a child molester.

Labour can't really take the moral high ground. The Rotherham cover-up happened under their watch.

War Peaceman · Oct 31, 2017

It is pretty clear that sexual harassment and assault is not a left-right issue. This is an issue of patriarchy. It is telling that the only two women on that list are for having sex with employees (inappropriate, but assuming consent, not as bad).

Axe · Oct 31, 2017

Crab said:
It's not an affair. Rudd is unmarried, and has been in a relationship with Kwarteng publicly since 2014. I think she's only on the list presumably because she didn't want to be humiliated by Kwarteng's other endeavours becoming public, which is... pretty unfair on her, actually.

I stand corrected. Having now seen the uncensored list, it seems she's on there because their relationship is a possible conflict of interest (he's Hammond's PPS).

CarbonCrush · Oct 31, 2017

Damn... Kwasi gets around, doesn't he?

Mindwipe · Oct 31, 2017

War Peaceman said:
It is pretty clear that sexual harassment and assault is not a left-right issue. This is an issue of patriarchy. It is telling that the only two women on that list are for having sex with employees (inappropriate, but assuming consent, not as bad).

There are three women in the list. The other is vague but seems more in the harrassment territory.

IPSF · Oct 31, 2017

BR2049 said:
So this is how conservatives do it.

This is how every party does it. Once upon a time it was "stories of misadventures with little boys", now it's shagging your Secretary. Progress I guess.

A whip's job is to influence those in the party, blackmail is an easy shortcut. I don't like the whipping system, but I can see how it's needed for strong government and how a similar system would arise informally without it.

Edit: feel I should point out Im not making light of some of the serious allegations and any crime should be reported if people know about it. Just that I think what's needed is strong legislation to prevent people essentially covering up crimes. I wonder if MPs are exempt from blackmail laws and such?

Crab · Oct 31, 2017

CarbonCrush said:
Damn... Kwasi gets around, doesn't he?

He's also been associated with Claire Perry and a fourth unnamed Conservative MP.

dpunk3 · Oct 31, 2017

Jesus christ that's a long list. Can only imagine how long the one is for the US Congress.

avaya · Oct 31, 2017

Excellent leak. Hopefully takes down the government. Truly pleased about Crabb the absolute fucknugget.

zomgbbqftw said:
Now we know why Labour we're keeping so quiet about it, I'm certain this is not going to be last serious allegation for the major parties either.

I'm also going to venture a guess that the reason the press are keeping quiet is because they have a lot of skeletons in their collective closet.

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MrMysterio · Oct 31, 2017

Can the UK drop the pretense of being a democracy, please?

afroguy10 · Oct 31, 2017

The list genuinely doesn't surprise me and also, Guido Fawkes is such a cretin.

Rob_ · Nov 1, 2017

afroguy10 said:
The list genuinely doesn't surprise me and also, Guido Fawkes is such a cretin.

His faux outrage at anything Labour related really irks me.

Dirtyshubb · Nov 1, 2017

Jamieson87 said:
His faux outrage at anything Labour related really irks me.

The funniest/worst thing was him having to start spouting liberal defences just to stay on the Conservatives side.

I especially liked him being absolutely disgusted with the whole bitch 'controversy' even though there are multiple tweets by him doing exactly the same thing or worse.

Rob_ · Nov 1, 2017

Dirtyshubb said:
The funniest/worst thing was him having to start spouting liberal defences just to stay on the Conservatives side.

I especially liked him being absolutely disgusted with the whole bitch 'controversy' even though there are multiple tweets by him doing exactly the same thing or worse.

https://order-order.com/2017/10/31/sickos-troll-laura-k-labour-rape-story/

This one last night really annoyed me.

The behavior shown cannot be excused, but someone like Guido is not offended by such stuff, and should not pretend to be.

Any Questions · Nov 1, 2017

Am stunned this list isn't really being reported. Ok ok I understand it's not 100% confirmed in many instances however that never stopped the press from reporting. Right now front page of the sun is a claim that Kevin Spacey flashed a barman and paid him off with a watch.

Am raising a cynical eyebrow at the press on this story. A huge old boys club with the politicians, police, press all involved. This type of secrecy dates back through the ages and we have many horrible abuse claims as evidence.

Grigorig · Nov 1, 2017

Amazed it's only 40, honestly.

HazySaiyan · Nov 1, 2017

I hope they also find the advisor at Labour HQ and kick them out of the party at the very least. This behaviour doesn't belong anywhere

AcademicSaucer · Nov 1, 2017

I bet this kinds of lists exist in many countries at every level but a leak like this is something that you don't see every day

Dirtyshubb · Nov 1, 2017

Jamieson87 said:
https://order-order.com/2017/10/31/sickos-troll-laura-k-labour-rape-story/

This one last night really annoyed me.

The behavior shown cannot be excused, but someone like Guido is not offended by such stuff, and should not pretend to be.

Yeah people using this as an example of biased reporting need to remember that this issue isn't about parties and instead protecting victims and stop with this sort of shit.

But yeah he is the typical right wing sycophant, will change their argument to 'win' no matter how illogical or hypocritical it is.

Winning is all that matters to these people and in the grand scheme of things, with the polarisation of the parties its true for the most part but when you practice the very things you lambast others for you are just a fanboy piece of shit.

Rob_ · Nov 1, 2017

Any Questions said:
Am stunned this list isn't really being reported. Ok ok I understand it's not 100% confirmed in many instances however that never stopped the press from reporting. Right now front page of the sun is a claim that Kevin Spacey flashed a barman and paid him off with a watch.

Am raising a cynical eyebrow at the press on this story. A huge old boys club with the politicians, police, press all involved. This type of secrecy dates back through the ages and we have many horrible abuse claims as evidence.

Are you referring to the Labour activist story?

I agree with you re the Sun front page, and the cynicism of the UK press.

Any Questions · Nov 1, 2017

Jamieson87 said:
Are you referring to the Labour activist story?

I agree with you re the Sun front page, and the cynicism of the UK press.

No, the whole blackmail concept. In fact all of the dodgy antics are underreported our hidden away in the back columns

Rob_ · Nov 1, 2017

Any Questions said:
No, the whole blackmail concept. In fact all of the dodgy antics are underreported our hidden away in the back columns

Ah, yes. Completely agree with you on that.

In a sense, the blackmail relating to extra marital affairs, and tittle tattle, I can understand, and accept.

However, using sexual harassment as blackmail, is accepting the behavior as right. That cannot stand.

Any Questions · Nov 1, 2017

Jamieson87 said:
Ah, yes. Completely agree with you on that.

In a sense, the blackmail relating to extra marital affairs, and tittle tattle, I can understand, and accept.

However, using sexual harassment as blackmail, is accepting the behavior as right. That cannot stand.

I might email the list to John Humphreys of the today programme. Ask him to do some work, after all at +£600k a year the man is an idea candidate to probe and ask questions

Newman96 · Nov 1, 2017

Has anyone got a link to the unredacted list?

Dan · Nov 1, 2017

avaya said:
Excellent leak. Hopefully takes down the government. Truly pleased about Crabb the absolute fucknugget.

Won't even come close. I suspect this story will disappear quicker than Cameron's pig fucking.

HazySaiyan said:
I hope they also find the advisor at Labour HQ and kick them out of the party at the very least. This behaviour doesn't belong anywhere

Fuck kicking him out. Arrest whoever did this and put them on trial.

MrMysterio · Nov 1, 2017

Has the list been confirmed as reliable?
I feel like in any other country the existence of a government-made list of sexual harassment and "deviant behaviour" blackmailing the votes of elected officials would be a major scandal?
Am I misunderstanding something?

HazySaiyan · Nov 1, 2017

Dan said:
Won't even come close. I suspect this story will disappear quicker than Cameron's pig fucking.

Fuck kicking him out. Arrest whoever did this and put them on trial.

Like I say, it's the minimum that should happen

Vinegar Joe · Nov 1, 2017

Yeah, was expecting this to be headline news by now. Hopefully just a case of verifying sources?

Cronen · Nov 1, 2017

Newman96 said:
Has anyone got a link to the unredacted list?

There's an imgur link earlier on in this thread.

Edit: Welp, looks like the image has been taken down.

LuisGarcia · Nov 1, 2017

Yeah while a lot of these are bad i'm not sure why a few of them are on here.

Dating his researcher is not a crime nor neccessarily innapropriate.

Getting pissed on by 3 men (which I assume was consensual?) is not a crime it's a fetish. Bit silly to record it when you are an MP though.

I don't really agree with thier names being on the list as some people will just look at that and assume they are scumbags without even looking at the details. Of course there could things about these cases that we don't know everything about yet.

MrMysterio · Nov 1, 2017

These things are on the list not to publicly shame but to blackmail those people listed to vote a certain way.

Dan · Nov 1, 2017

The big question is if there are other lists elsewhere...

harry the spy · Nov 1, 2017

I might be daft but isn't this kind of blackmail illegal ?

MrMysterio · Nov 1, 2017

If the existence of the list gets verified then it basically means that you might have voted for an MP, who campaigned for your vote in a certain way, but will vote differently in parliament because he/she is being blackmailed to do so.

Also means the government is okay with sexual harassment as long as they can use it for leverage.

Rob_ · Nov 1, 2017

MrMysterio said:
If the existence of the list gets verified then it basically means that you might have voted for an MP, who campaigned for your vote in a certain way, but will vote differently in parliament because he/she is being blackmailed to do so.

Also means the government is okay with sexual harassment as long as they can use it for leverage.

Completely correct.

If we are being honest, this kind of thing has probably went on for a good while.

It really cannot continue. However, I feel without the MSM pushing it as they should, not much will have changed in 3-6 months.

It is sad, that in all likelihood, the expenses scandal have more pages in the history books than this does.

Mr. Sam · Nov 1, 2017

The big issue with this is that it contains not only those with allegations of sexual assault against them but also people who are dating fellow MPs or have unusual sexual fetishes, who don't deserve to be lumped in with sex pests.

MrMysterio said:
If the existence of the list gets verified then it basically means that you might have voted for an MP, who campaigned for your vote in a certain way, but will vote differently in parliament because he/she is being blackmailed to do so.

Party whips have used dirt on MPs - whether it be abuse allegations or sexual preferences or unpaid parking tickets - to keep them in line since time immemorial. I'm not saying it's right but it's certainly not new.

mclem · Nov 1, 2017

HazySaiyan said:
The fact the Tories compiled this list to blackmail MPs into voting their way, instead of actually doing something about the abuse tells you all you need to know about that party

My first thought was wondering about past situations where someone has their indiscretions revealed... was that reveal orchestrated because they weren't behaving to a whip's satisfaction...?

Mr. Sam · Nov 1, 2017

The reason Labour aren't making hay out of this is, as we're beginning to see, they're worried about making bloody great holes in their immaculate glass house.

mclem said:
My first thought was wondering about past situations where someone has their indiscretions revealed... was that reveal orchestrated because they weren't behaving to a whip's satisfaction...?

A lot the time, yes. The Thick of It is actually a pretty accurate account of party machinations.

FrakEarth · Nov 1, 2017

Should the whip really be threatening democratically elected MPs with the ruination of their social life and family life?

Who's to say they wouldn't be above making up allegations to keep people in line?

If central party policy isn't good enough to maintain unity maybe policy is the problem

Rob_ · Nov 1, 2017

Whataboutery should be put aside in times like these.

All party leaders should come out and condemn these behaviors, and ensure action is taken.

Of course, it won't happen though.

zomgbbqftw · Nov 1, 2017

MrMysterio said:
Has the list been confirmed as reliable?
I feel like in any other country the existence of a government-made list of sexual harassment and "deviant behaviour" blackmailing the votes of elected officials would be a major scandal?
Am I misunderstanding something?

Do you understand the role of the whip's office and what they do? That's not just in Parliament but in Congress as well. While Francis Urquhart or Frank Underwood are extreme examples, neither are too far off the truth. They exist to fight in the mud and drag as many MPs into it as possible so they can ensure absolute discipline and loyalty.

Jamieson87 said:
Completely correct.

If we are being honest, this kind of thing has probably went on for a good while.

It really cannot continue. However, I feel without the MSM pushing it as they should, not much will have changed in 3-6 months.

It is sad, that in all likelihood, the expenses scandal have more pages in the history books than this does.

The media can't push on this issue, they have so many skeletons in their cupboard. Any male dominated industry which takes on young impressionable graduate interns (male or female) is going to have a history of this.

mclem · Nov 1, 2017

Audioboxer said:
Scrub all our stashes of piss porn, I repeat, scrub the piss porn. Put Will in witness protection. He doesn't exist. No pissing in our party. The Tories do not condone golden showers. I repeat, this is an anti-golden shower party.

Running through fields of wheat is as sexually deviant as it gets in this party.

...unless it turns out that that was a euphemism...

zomgbbqftw · Nov 1, 2017

avaya said:
OMG!!! You're back! Yes! Great to see you posting again!

Hey man, good to see you too, hope everything is cool.

mclem · Nov 1, 2017

Joni said:
Francis Urquhart is starting to sound like a nice fellow.

He may have been a bastard, but at least he was a competent bastard.

Mr. Sam · Nov 1, 2017

Jamieson87 said:
Whataboutery should be put aside in times like these.

All party leaders should come out and condemn these behaviors, and ensure action is taken.

Of course, it won't happen though.

In as much as the two will declare a truce because they know full well how extensive the problem is throughout Westminster, I think we likely will see very public, very visible co-operation between parties on this.

zomgbbqftw · Nov 1, 2017

Mr. Sam said:
In as much as the two will declare a truce because they know full well how extensive the problem is throughout Westminster, I think we likely will see very public, very visible co-operation between parties on this.

Yes, this is exactly what will happen, some kind of investigation, a whitewash and neither side will make too many waves over the issue.

FrakEarth · Nov 1, 2017

The Guardian do have a story on this now

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...readsheet-of-sexual-allegations-alarms-tories

"The spreadsheet nobody wants to be on"

UK government compiled list of sexual harassment for blackmailing votes. It's leaked.

Keeping it 100K