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Stuart444

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Oct 25, 2017
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We're not even a month into this new Govt and it's all just so... urgh.

Like I said on the last page, at least I can forget about all this, both personally and politically for a week when we're out of the country.

I do find myself somewhat... terrified about the end of January though.

Remember all the stuff that happened after the brexit referendum where people thought it meant all immigrants would fuck off right away? The racism, the xenophobia on display, etc?

Well a lot of those same people bought into the "GET BREXIT DONE" and "OVEN READY BREXIT DEAL" rhetoric.

So how do we think they will act when February the 1st rolls over and those 'dirty foriegners', those polish/european people, etc are still in the country some of which grew up and were even born here.

I dread to think what is to come.
 

JediTimeBoy

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We're not even a month into this new Govt and it's all just so... urgh.

Like I said on the last page, at least I can forget about all this, both personally and politically for a week when we're out of the country.

I do find myself somewhat... terrified about the end of January though.

Remember all the stuff that happened after the brexit referendum where people thought it meant all immigrants would fuck off right away? The racism, the xenophobia on display, etc?

Well a lot of those same people bought into the "GET BREXIT DONE" and "OVEN READY BREXIT DEAL" rhetoric.

So how do we think they will act when February the 1st rolls over and those 'dirty foriegners', those polish/european people, etc are still in the country some of which grew up and were even born here.

I dread to think what is to come.

Haha, wait until those people find out how many "foreigners" will be entitled to stay in the UK.


In other news:

 

Facism

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Oct 25, 2017
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I remember I posted a bit about my wifes fight with PIP. She posted in the mental health thread about it but for anyone who saw the previous posts on it from the GE thread/Brexit thread:

Mandatory reconsideration failed, still 0 points and the 'decision' report they sent with the letter said basically the same thing as last time.

Next up, tribunal stage, yay... ;-;

Good luck. My mate had to really fight at the tribunal, despite having 6 months of evidence behind him. They barely agreed to pay him what he was owed and told him to do one when it came to compensation, despite being put out of home and his health deteriorating because of having to deal with these DWP cunts, who are only fit to be eaten by pigs and shit into a field as fertiliser. Actual fucking scum.
 

Stuart444

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Good luck. My mate had to really fight at the tribunal, despite having 6 months of evidence behind him. They barely agreed to pay him what he was owed and told him to do one when it came to compensation, despite being put out of home and his health deteriorating because of having to deal with these DWP cunts, who are only fit to be eaten by pigs and shit into a field as fertiliser. Actual fucking scum.

Damn, I usually hear good things about Tribunals for this stuff. Guess you got unlucky. Hopefully we don't get that unlucky :/
 

JediTimeBoy

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Damn, I usually hear good things about Tribunals for this stuff. Guess you got unlucky. Hopefully we don't get that unlucky :/

Think about it like this:

(iirc) 78% of PIP decisions get overturned by the Tribunal, which means that they know that the majority of decisions are unjust. Even though they will judge each case on merit, I'm inclined to believe that Tribunals would overturn every decision if they could; you just need to give them the ammunition to do so...
 

Flammable D

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Family 0 minutes into New Years Eve: Haha, Corbyn was a joke!

Family 10 minutes into New Years Eve: Moaning about the NHS because my sister's antenatal classes being axed due to a lack of funding.

I want to die :)
 

Audioboxer

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Family 0 minutes into New Years Eve: Haha, Corbyn was a joke!

Family 10 minutes into New Years Eve: Moaning about the NHS because my sister's antenatal classes being axed due to a lack of funding.

I want to die :)

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Missed this when it happened, but this is why you don't vote Labour in Scotland. Full of Red Tories and classist scum. Anyone voting Scottish Labour at this point either has a screw loose or can't see reality. A complete wasted vote. Moan about FPTP to Westminster if you must.

Mhairi Black is working class/came from the working class, you know, the people Labour claim to stand up for. She simply doesn't give a shit about changing who she is for your "upper-class" Westminster system.

The House of Commons website states: "Members of the House of Commons take an oath of allegiance to the Crown. This is called swearing in. If they object to swearing the oath, they can make a solemn affirmation. They do this before taking their seats in Parliament. This can happen after a general election, by-election or after the death of the monarch.

"Oaths of allegiance to the Crown are common in British public life. They are similar to a declaration of loyalty to the state.

"Members of both Houses of Parliament are required by law to take an oath of allegiance to the Crown."

bUt tHe MoNArChY dOeSn'T cONtRoL peOPlE iN tHe uK

And Scottish Labour isn't absolutely full of Red Tories with their dicks in the monarchy.

Fuck the UK, hopefully this is the year we make good progress to causing these people to enter utter hysterics screaming God Save the Queen whilst showing Scotland utter contempt and behaving like "upper-class" assholes. More people need exposed to what the Unionist parties are in Scotland. Times up. 2014 lies and bullshit are history. Get with the times or sink with the UK.

I have zero tolerance for a single person in Scotland that thinks staying with the UK is the way forward. My future, and the future of this country is more important than your wankfest over an "idealised UK". It's not happening and it won't happen. The UK is done. World War 2 is over. England is blue and proud. It's time for Scottish people to stop being dumb cunts and feart of their "owners" at Westminster. Rangers fans/Military Unionists/Many people over 70 are a lost cause, stop propping them up.

Polls show we can win independence if the Red fence sitters with "Labour promises" shafted far up their arses pay attention to the 2019 General Election and see the "promise land" Labour party isn't coming. England won't allow it. Stop being mind-slaves to a voting block that shouldn't be controlling Scotland's future. Just fucking stop it and debate with your family and friends if they are up to it as well. Ignorance is not an excuse in Scotland anymore.

- yes, I'm a bit hungover and grumpy 🤣
 
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CampFreddie

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That's a really strange criticism by a Labour MP. I mean Corbyn and many other labour MPs take the oath with their fingers crossed. Why the fuck would a Scottish Nationalist give two shits about the queen?
 

Audioboxer

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That's a really strange criticism by a Labour MP. I mean Corbyn and many other labour MPs take the oath with their fingers crossed. Why the fuck would a Scottish Nationalist give two shits about the queen?

It's Scottish Labour MPs, they are basically a breed of Tories here. They view non-ironically teaming up with the Scottish Tories as the "only way" they can take on the SNP. I'd have voted for Jeremy Corbyn, but I'll never vote for Scottish Labour, if that makes sense.

My mum's the same, likes Corbyn, said she could have voted for him, but doesn't like Scottish Labour.

Scottish Labour wasn't always this bad, but it's become an absolute cesspool in recent times. They'd rather chase the Scottish Tory vote than try and re-energise why lefties up here used to vote for them in every election since 1955.
 

RedSparrows

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the higher support for RLB amongst the working class than middle is interesting considering The Narrative about the working class and labour left

The Narrative being 'catastrophic election result marked by working class losses'? Yes, it's interesting, but only up to a point. This is Labour members. Also, KS is still higher.
 

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Surprised to see that Lisa Nandy is predicted to be eliminated in the first round.


I'm fine with this, my first pick would be Rayner but as she isn't standing, starmer is a pretty good first choice for many. At the very least, pulling the warring factions into a cohesive unit will allow labour to regroup and strengthen into a force that can fight back sooner rather then later.
 

PJV3

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I'm fine with this, my first pick would be Rayner but as she isn't standing, starmer is a pretty good first choice for many. At the very least, pulling the warring factions into a cohesive unit will allow labour to regroup and strengthen into a force that can fight back sooner rather then later.

I'm happy with Starmer as we have 5 years to make Boris absolutely sick of the job, and the easiest route to that is making him do some work, I think he will hate constantly facing a well briefed opponent.

But yeah a candidate who is serious about try to end the infighting is a big requirement, I'm sick of talk about kicking people out from both wings of the party.
 

RellikSK

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Keir in the past has come across as wooden at times so hoping he able to shake that off during the debates.
 

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Keir in the past has come across as wooden at times so hoping he able to shake that off during the debates.
That's true, but he does come across as one of those individuals that commands respect across the board. Whenever he speaks in Parliament, people (even the most vocal Tories) tend to shut up and listen.
 
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Definitely the oddest job advert I've read. Probably more so considering it's like for Number 10.
re Trump sanctioned assassinations, I wonder how quickly Johnson will do a Blair
 

PJV3

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Cummings is a loon, I think he is going to find the move from winning a campaign to actually dealing with reality a huge problem. It feels a bit late to begin searching for revolutionary thinkers, it's as if he is still making it up as he goes along.
 

Cocolina

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It's a "well I tried" shrug for when the realities of running the civil service like a lean, agile, buzzword, startup dont come into life.
 

PJV3

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It's a "well I tried" shrug for when the realities of running the civil service like a lean, agile, buzzword, startup dont come into life.

Well he says he's making decisions he isn't really qualified to do and would like to be "redundant" within a year, so yeah, it feels like he already has one eye on the exit, even if he says the government isn't worried about short term unpopularity.
 
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Basically Cummings is saying he wants to turn the civil service into a body that keeps the government in power. Should be scary but tbh I don't think he'll get many takers.
 

31GhostsIV

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I want Keir to be the next leader, but that YouGov poll's method doesn't seem to account for Len's inevitable fuckery.
 

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Cummings is a loon, I think he is going to find the move from winning a campaign to actually dealing with reality a huge problem. It feels a bit late to begin searching for revolutionary thinkers, it's as if he is still making it up as he goes along.


Critical, fatal issue is that the same class that has given him so much power also is the class or higher ups that will do anything and everything to stay in power. Cummings wouldnt think twice of overturning them to get his vision done but they will get him out before that ever transpires. Reading that blog post 3 times, I get the thought Cummings wants to overhaul the civil service first and then the country next, going up and clashing heavily with the ruling class. Politically, he wont survive that, he tried years ago and he failed. They sure as shit wont allow him to do so once they have england to shape how they see fit. For now he has the election result to keep him where he is and get some results, but reality will soon set in when those public schoolboys he so hates put him in his place.

Its fucking ironic for cummings, his radical thinking would flourish in the opposition, but I wager he enjoys power and high class too much to truly get his agenda secured and successful.
 

Flammable D

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There's one for the "media won't trash the right Labour leader" folder

Jess Phillips

Too like Corbyn

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ronpontelle

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When Robinson talked about the wrong side, I expect he was referring to 'the enemy', rather than wrong meaning incorrect or losing side. Equally as stupid, possibly scarier.

And I'm sure it's only on the fringes, in threads like this, where Jess Phillips is not seen as left wing. I'm not saying she is, or that anybody here's wrong, or that nobody else outside of here thinks that about her, but I think that's the reality in terms of the average persons view.

Also with the mud that's been slung at the left, anybody left of the Tories is currently seen as a raging socialist.
 

Number45

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When Robinson talked about the wrong side, I expect he was referring to 'the enemy', rather than wrong meaning incorrect or losing side. Equally as stupid, possibly scarier.
What frustrates me is that Corbyn hardly ever (literally never?) actually takes a side in these things - he literally tweets along the lines of "violence is wrong, we need to ensure that we're responsible in our actions" and the comments are filled with bile about being a terrorist sympathiser.
 
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What frustrates me is that Corbyn hardly ever (literally never?) actually takes a side in these things - he literally tweets along the lines of "violence is wrong, we need to ensure that we're responsible in our actions" and the comments are filled with bile about being a terrorist sympathiser.

People are so stupidly hard-wired into thinking that any foreign policy situation is "us versus them". Even reaching for the middle makes idiots think you're surrendering.
 
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The really shitty thing about what Robinson has said is that if you look at the rest of Phillips' timeline today you can see she's retweeting stories about what a monster Soleimani was, I don't think he's even represented her position correctly let alone made a valid argument.


To be honest I think political reporters are just desperate to get anything vaguely Labour related out there at the moment because the leadership race has given them nothing so far.
 
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