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Ravensmash

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Oct 25, 2017
3,618
Only 27% switched to tory because of leadership. But I'm not sure why this argument exists that RLB is continuity Corbyn, but Starmer isn't? They were both foregrounded in media appearances and on the front bench for years. We're not getting another GE for 5 years, if RLB wins and carries over Corbyn's unpopularity we'd find out before voting starts.

also for the youngins they're gonna want someone whose name will fit seven nation army
Starmer was rarely seen during the election to be fair
 

rabathehutch

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Nov 1, 2017
156
Only 27% switched to tory because of leadership. But I'm not sure why this argument exists that RLB is continuity Corbyn, but Starmer isn't? They were both foregrounded in media appearances and on the front bench for years. We're not getting another GE for 5 years, if RLB wins and carries over Corbyn's unpopularity we'd find out before voting starts.

also for the youngins they're gonna want someone whose name will fit seven nation army
Only 27% switch because of leadership but the leader also sells the policies that get people to switch. RLB was much closer to Corbyn than Starmer ever was but I do agree he was a senior figure in the shadow cabinet which won't be helpful. He does have better answers to those questions in interviews though.

I don't buy that finding out Long-Bailey's popularity before an election is going to change anything. We knew Corbyn was incredibly unpopular before both generals last time but there was no appetite to change leader then - why would it be any different next time?
 

null

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Oct 25, 2017
6,438
This Big Ben saga is peak gammon.

Surprised they've not announced a reenactment of the D-Day landings for next year.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Only 27% switched to tory because of leadership. But I'm not sure why this argument exists that RLB is continuity Corbyn, but Starmer isn't? They were both foregrounded in media appearances and on the front bench for years. We're not getting another GE for 5 years, if RLB wins and carries over Corbyn's unpopularity we'd find out before voting starts.

also for the youngins they're gonna want someone whose name will fit seven nation army
Her approach is identical to Corbyn, look at this tweet


Nothing she's saying is wrong but it's exactly what Corbyn was saying, everyone who can be won over by these arguments already has been.

Starmer has the same goals but he gives it a new voice and new arguments that will attract people who weren't swayed by Corbyn.
 

rabathehutch

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Nov 1, 2017
156
This Big Ben bullshit is entirely manufactured to play to Daily Mail reading gammons and exactly how the Tories want to run the country. Just fund everything using donations and fundraising - no taxes necessary! The Ayn Rand/Libertarian dream, it's your "hard-earned" money it shouldn't be wasted on international aid, disability allowances or schools. Just build Brexit-boats and get Big Ben ringing!
 

Rodelero

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Oct 27, 2017
3,253
Her approach is identical to Corbyn, look at this tweet


Nothing she's saying is wrong but it's exactly what Corbyn was saying, everyone who can be won over by these arguments already has been.

Starmer has the same goals but he gives it a new voice and new arguments that will attract people who weren't swayed by Corbyn.
The worst thing is I can vaguely imagine the right charismatic leader being able to sell Corbynism effectively but I just have no faith whatsoever that RLB is that.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Asked how differing regulations between the UK and EU may impact industries such as automotive and pharmaceuticals, he said: "We're also talking about companies that have known since 2016 that we are leaving the EU.

"Admittedly, they didn't know the exact terms."
Clueless cueball bastard.
 

Git

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Oct 26, 2017
4,204
Hustings going well then. I remember seeing one of her speeches in text format ages ago and it was hilarious how many times she said her own name

 

Cocolina

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Oct 28, 2017
4,811
My shitty opinion on the hustings:

Thornberry came across as the best speaker but seems content for her leadership to start and end at just being a massive pain in Boris Johnson’s arse

Long-Bailey keyword “socialism”, keyword “democratic” said all the right things to a margin of the party

Phillips came across fine despite flubbing a few answers and getting lost in her own spiel, also priceless reactions to the other candidates answers

Nandy takes the speak softly and carry a big stick approach, but without the big stick...don’t see much hope in her even though she sings a progressive tune of unity

Starmer was the one that seemed low effort to me, didn’t answer many of the questions directly despite speaking as confidently as Thornberry but he had good views on the general principles of a new opposition that respects the outgoing one
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The Ocean
Hustings going well then. I remember seeing one of her speeches in text format ages ago and it was hilarious how many times she said her own name

like Steven Toast suggests the best way tostand out in an audition is to remind your audience who you are at random intervals by yelling out your name

“I think that up in the north of England we need to promise that your community JESS PHILLIPS will come first and foremost always. “
 

PJV3

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Oct 25, 2017
7,332
London
More levelling up.

The nerve of Boris is extraordinary, work hard, keep off the TV or get sacked.

I also don't understand how people can change opinion on his ability after a few weeks of not doing much, did they expect the country to sink into the sea or something.
 

Ravensmash

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Oct 25, 2017
3,618
I still can’t believe Javid was honest with people earlier, re: businesses not necessarily benefiting from Brexit.

And tbh, that display of ‘honesty’ makes me quite worried as to how bad it might be economically...

Damage limitation is in play already.
 
Oct 28, 2017
3,654
I still can’t believe Javid was honest with people earlier, re: businesses not necessarily benefiting from Brexit.

And tbh, that display of ‘honesty’ makes me quite worried as to how bad it might be economically...

Damage limitation is in play already.
They're bouyed by the idea of having the majority in parliament, a comfortable one. They can just do whatever the fuck they want now and ignore everyone. These cunts are gonna cash in and the damage will be decades worth of repairing, not a quick fix. During those decades, these leeches are gonna be growing fat.
 

Ravensmash

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Oct 25, 2017
3,618
They're bouyed by the idea of having the majority in parliament, a comfortable one. They can just do whatever the fuck they want now and ignore everyone. These cunts are gonna cash in and the damage will be decades worth of repairing, not a quick fix. During those decades, these leeches are gonna be growing fat.
I’m just worried about what’s going to happen when the reality hits home...