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Only 27% switch because of leadership but the leader also sells the policies that get people to switch. RLB was much closer to Corbyn than Starmer ever was but I do agree he was a senior figure in the shadow cabinet which won't be helpful. He does have better answers to those questions in interviews though.
I don't buy that finding out Long-Bailey's popularity before an election is going to change anything. We knew Corbyn was incredibly unpopular before both generals last time but there was no appetite to change leader then - why would it be any different next time?
Of course Mark fucking Francois would do something like this >__>
This Big Ben saga is peak gammon.
Surprised they've not announced a reenactment of the D-Day landings for next year.
Surprised they've not announced a reenactment of the D-Day landings for next year.
Her approach is identical to Corbyn, look at this tweet
Nothing she's saying is wrong but it's exactly what Corbyn was saying, everyone who can be won over by these arguments already has been.
Starmer has the same goals but he gives it a new voice and new arguments that will attract people who weren't swayed by Corbyn.
This Big Ben bullshit is entirely manufactured to play to Daily Mail reading gammons and exactly how the Tories want to run the country. Just fund everything using donations and fundraising - no taxes necessary! The Ayn Rand/Libertarian dream, it's your "hard-earned" money it shouldn't be wasted on international aid, disability allowances or schools. Just build Brexit-boats and get Big Ben ringing!
The worst thing is I can vaguely imagine the right charismatic leader being able to sell Corbynism effectively but I just have no faith whatsoever that RLB is that.
Looks like we going fully shoot our foot off economically speaking: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933
Ahh the old winners and losers justification. They just don't tell you it's
Winners: the rich who make money from money by moving it around
Losers: anyone who employs real people to make things and export them
The gormless fuck hasn't put any thought into it or the concequences, "one way or the other" indeed.
Jess comes across as so downtrodden when trying to be inspiring. She has fire but isn't showing it.
She seems defeated. Honestly I thought RLB came across really well. much more forceful than Corbyn. Still think Kier should get it.
Hustings going well then. I remember seeing one of her speeches in text format ages ago and it was hilarious how many times she said her own name
For all the good reasons to not vote Jess Phillips, people focus on this childish bullshit instead. Get a grip.
My shitty opinion on the hustings:
Thornberry came across as the best speaker but seems content for her leadership to start and end at just being a massive pain in Boris Johnson's arse
Long-Bailey keyword "socialism", keyword "democratic" said all the right things to a margin of the party
Phillips came across fine despite flubbing a few answers and getting lost in her own spiel, also priceless reactions to the other candidates answers
Nandy takes the speak softly and carry a big stick approach, but without the big stick...don't see much hope in her even though she sings a progressive tune of unity
Starmer was the one that seemed low effort to me, didn't answer many of the questions directly despite speaking as confidently as Thornberry but he had good views on the general principles of a new opposition that respects the outgoing one
Thornberry came across as the best speaker but seems content for her leadership to start and end at just being a massive pain in Boris Johnson's arse
Long-Bailey keyword "socialism", keyword "democratic" said all the right things to a margin of the party
Phillips came across fine despite flubbing a few answers and getting lost in her own spiel, also priceless reactions to the other candidates answers
Nandy takes the speak softly and carry a big stick approach, but without the big stick...don't see much hope in her even though she sings a progressive tune of unity
Starmer was the one that seemed low effort to me, didn't answer many of the questions directly despite speaking as confidently as Thornberry but he had good views on the general principles of a new opposition that respects the outgoing one
It's not childish to analyse someone's fucking language, so nah
like Steven Toast suggests the best way tostand out in an audition is to remind your audience who you are at random intervals by yelling out your name
"I think that up in the north of England we need to promise that your community JESS PHILLIPS will come first and foremost always. "
More levelling up.
The nerve of Boris is extraordinary, work hard, keep off the TV or get sacked.
I also don't understand how people can change opinion on his ability after a few weeks of not doing much, did they expect the country to sink into the sea or something.
The nerve of Boris is extraordinary, work hard, keep off the TV or get sacked.
I also don't understand how people can change opinion on his ability after a few weeks of not doing much, did they expect the country to sink into the sea or something.
I still can't believe Javid was honest with people earlier, re: businesses not necessarily benefiting from Brexit.
And tbh, that display of 'honesty' makes me quite worried as to how bad it might be economically...
Damage limitation is in play already.
And tbh, that display of 'honesty' makes me quite worried as to how bad it might be economically...
Damage limitation is in play already.
They're bouyed by the idea of having the majority in parliament, a comfortable one. They can just do whatever the fuck they want now and ignore everyone. These cunts are gonna cash in and the damage will be decades worth of repairing, not a quick fix. During those decades, these leeches are gonna be growing fat.
I'm just worried about what's going to happen when the reality hits home...
It'll be horrendous, obviously. We all know the consequences of a hard crash out. Perhaps the Tories are betting on the EU trying to play soft and lessening the impact on us by going soft in negotations, but that's unlikely.
Seen that Javid has already talked about loosening up cash for other areas, with regards to how the government invests? All a bloody joke. It won't do anything to mitigate the pain.
I don't know, I really hate the guy and I didn't think he would fuck it up that badly in a month, maybe it is just people tuning out after the drama of the last few years.
Moving the Lords up north to reconnect with the people is funny as fuck on multiple fronts. The unelected chamber is not going to level up the North but I like the idea of some of the old buggers stumbling around all lost and confused.
"Leveling up our country" is possibly the dumbest buzzword-y phrase I've ever heard, and I've heard many in my line of work.
Cummings is a total snake oil salesman.
The same thing that always happens. They will blame immigrants and minorities and the public will lap it up.
Yeah, they are at it again with the house of Lords thing, it's meaningless but I'm surprised they are still pushing it post election victory, it is really cringy if they don't start talking actual outcomes and targets etc.
I keep seeing this assertion of 'elecability' and him being more attractive to people, yet he "has the same goals".
What is it about him that makes him 'electable'? As far as I can tell, it's because he is a standard 'normal' posh man.
One thing I agree with Jess Phillips on is that it would be a bit embarrassing to elect a man in this scenario, given his campaign seems to be centred on the idea that he is an inoffensive posh man who can articulate the same ideas as his more off-putting women rivals.
Why is he posh all of a sudden?
He's very accomplished but I don't think that makes him posh.
Yeah, he seems fairly normal and down to earth to me.
Anyhow to kinda answer the question why, the first stage of getting the Tories out is to make them look bad, it's alright having nice policies lined up for the election in 5 years time, but the public won't want change if they think they are doing OK.
Starmer has the training to be on top of multiple briefs, to be able to see where argument is going, and be able to think ahead. Nandy and RLB are not on the same level from what I have seen of them, I can see Boris running his usual act straight through them.
We do need to change that trope. The fact that a unelectable twat like Boris is our prime minister shows the consequences of going for a "prime ministerial" appearance and background. Starmer is still my top choice but Long-Bailey is slowly winning me over. I'd like to see her confronting the Tories as she has got fire in her belly to wipe the floor with them, whereas I already know Kier's capabilities when he was Shadow Brexit secretary in Parliament.
I don't have a problem with Long-Bailey but saying socialism every few minutes at Labour party hustings etc isn't the hardest thing in the world, I'd like to see them all facing more hostile non Labour audiences. Someone suggested Corbyn standing aside for PMQs and letting the candidates have a crack at it.
I don't know if something more difficult is being planned for the candidates or not.
I retract the posh statement, he's no toff, but I think my point still stands. It's all around this persona of being a standard well-to-do inoffensive man.
I fear Starmer going down the legalese route. It completely and utterly failed on Brexit. It doesn't work, there isn't some 'gotcha' - and even if there is, it's water off a ducks back. You can't catch Boris out, and even if you do, nobody cares. It seems the go-to tactic. He may well please the Guardian columnists with some of his bits in PMQs, but that doesn't win elections - and I get no sense of him energising non-voters and the youth.
Ed Miliband 2.0 with added support from the Labour Right just isn't a path to victory for me. I think a lot has changed with the last election, Brexit is going to be a cultural issue for a while now, regardless of what happens. Starmer as the core proponent of that tactic for Labour is a bad look. Not only that, but I really can't see him getting those non-voters and youth on board - which is surely the foundation of any possible Labour victory in the next decade.
I was listening to Pienar politics, and this was the take away from that show... it seems all of them except Nandy are running a campaign on telling the membership how wonderful they are, when the reality is hard choices will need to be made, and there was a feeling off 'just get through the campaign' mantra about the hustings